2 Hours with Raymond Chen
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@Gern_Blaanston Windows at 1000 FPS?
That's just begging for 'Windows, unstable at any speed' comments.
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@Gern_Blaanston I've started watching and I might leave in the background for a bit. I had never seen Chen "live" before, so it's nice to put a voice and facial expressions to the person.
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You probably wouldn't be playing pinball in your server in your data center.
Well, not if you didn't port it!
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@Zecc said in 2 Hours with Raymond Chen:
You probably wouldn't be playing pinball in your server in your data center.
Well, not if you didn't port it!
There's an untapped market, right there!
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@Arantor said in 2 Hours with Raymond Chen:
@Gern_Blaanston Windows at 1000 FPS?
That's just begging for 'Windows, unstable at any speed' comments.
I think it's a bit of a clickbait title. The 1000 fps is actually referring to the old Pinball game, not Windows itself.
Somewhere in the video Raymond tells the story of working on the old Pinball game and it was just rendering frames as fast as it could, which bogged down the CPU and caused performance problems. So he put in a rate limiter of 100 fps.
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@Zecc said in 2 Hours with Raymond Chen:
You probably wouldn't be playing pinball in your server in your data center.
Raymond has obviously never been a server admin.
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That reminds me I also wanted to watch the interview with Dave Cutler, but also at 2h it's been TL;DW so far. I did watch a few of the snippets he did, and for the Raymond Chen one there's snippets too, including the part about pinball. Although I don't understand why there's two 2h long videos with Raymond. I assume that's basically the same interview.
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@topspin said in 2 Hours with Raymond Chen:
That reminds me I also wanted to watch the interview with Dave Cutler, but also at 2h it's been TL;DW
I've watched quite a bit of both the Raymond Chen and Dave Cutler videos and .... meh.
They are both very smart guys and brilliant programmers who know a lot about the inner plumbing of Windows, but, the inner plumbing of ANY operating system isn't terribly interesting. Neither are the stories about coffee makers and stuffed animal mascots.
It's all great fun for the people who were actually involved, but for everyone else .... WGAF.
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@Gern_Blaanston The fun bits are likely going to be stories about when things went wrong. Things going boringly right (maybe not perfect, but mostly fine) are really very dull to people not involved.
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@Zecc said in 2 Hours with Raymond Chen:
You probably wouldn't be playing pinball in your server in your data center.
Well, not if you didn't port it!
where are the days of people actually being in the server room while doing stuff like software updates and shit.
rem
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@Luhmann said in 2 Hours with Raymond Chen:
@Zecc said in 2 Hours with Raymond Chen:
You probably wouldn't be playing pinball in your server in your data center.
Well, not if you didn't port it!
where are the days of people actually being in the server room while doing stuff like software updates and shit.
Those days kinda ended when server rooms got industry-grade AC set at 0-5 degrees.
inb4 "Where are the days when the server room was just an unused janitor closet"
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that reminds me of one of my first work days ... tagging along on of the seniors on a nice spring day ...
did you bring a sweater?
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@topspin said in 2 Hours with Raymond Chen:
Although I don't understand why there's two 2h long videos with Raymond.
I thought it was a different one at first. Then I noticed the first (pinned) comment from the author:
For the curious, this is a re-upload of the original, but I removed the intro section and re-rendered in 4K60, so decided to re-upload it!
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in 2 Hours with Raymond Chen:
Those days kinda ended when server rooms got industry-grade AC set at 0-5 degrees.
They're going more for water cooling now. Water has a higher thermal capacity.
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@dkf said in 2 Hours with Raymond Chen:
@Kamil-Podlesak said in 2 Hours with Raymond Chen:
Those days kinda ended when server rooms got industry-grade AC set at 0-5 degrees.
They're going more for water cooling now. Water has a higher thermal capacity.
Or oil, which might have lower thermal capacity, but does not short-circuit electricity and does not cause corrosion. Bonus points if the server room is actually an oil pool where all the servers are submerged.
One more reason for not working directly in there (I suppose oil-certified scuba gear exists, but it sounds quite impractical).
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@Kamil-Podlesak I've never actually heard of anyone doing that for real at production scale; there's been talk but little more (except for the occasional madman). By contrast, water cooling has definitely been deployed for server farms.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in 2 Hours with Raymond Chen:
know a lot about the inner plumbing of Windows, but, the inner plumbing of ANY operating system is
n't terribly interestinglike real plumbing, full of
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in 2 Hours with Raymond Chen:
Or oil, which might have lower thermal capacity, but does not short-circuit electricity and does not cause corrosion. Bonus points if the server room is actually an oil pool where all the servers are submerged.
Hopefully not the kind of oil used for cooking chips.
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@dkf The part that start at around 51:17 about Bill Gates (which actually starts at the "Dave Cutler" chapter) is kind of interesting.
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@dkf said in 2 Hours with Raymond Chen:
@Kamil-Podlesak I've never actually heard of anyone doing that for real at production scale; there's been talk but little more (except for the occasional madman). By contrast, water cooling has definitely been deployed for server farms.
Not sure which part of the previous post you're referring to here, but I can tell you that my company does oil cooling in a real data center at production scale.
They don't turn the whole server room into an oil pool where oil scuba divers would be needed though, and I know so little about actual server room that I can't tell whether that second part was a joke or not (it sounds absolutely outlandish but then again the first time I heard about water cooling (some decades ago...
) it also sounded outlandish to have water running inside an electronic device!).I might even be able to link you to a semi-public article they published about it some time ago though it'd very doxxy so, uh, not here.
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@remi Water cooling is more common; the thermal capacity of water is great (and it is fairly easy to pump). I'm not sure of the details though, as my last gig that might worked with stuff low enough to care about that was actually dealing with devices where passive air cooling was almost enough. (Fans were needed for the server room, but the racks were fanless.)
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@Luhmann said in 2 Hours with Raymond Chen:
@Zecc said in 2 Hours with Raymond Chen:
You probably wouldn't be playing pinball in your server in your data center.
Well, not if you didn't port it!
where are the days of people actually being in the server room while doing stuff like software updates and shit.
Other than something that involves actually touching the physical hardware, why would you need to go into a server room?
Unless you are a very senior
carrying around a stack of floppy disks ( or tapes ) wouldn't software updates be done remotely?
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@Gern_Blaanston said in 2 Hours with Raymond Chen:
Other than something that involves actually touching the physical hardware, why would you need to go into a server room?
The main reason for physically entering a machine room is when the hardware remote management system update goes wrong.
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@Gern_Blaanston
Almost 20 years back? Not everything was remote accessible, or accessible remotely for external consultants. The software required dedicated hardware cards. This often resulted in different servers being used and general hands off from IT. Sometimes because they where marked simply as Telco.
The times I walked around with a borrowed IT badge, got left in a room I didn't have access to or IT blocked a door from shutting are countless.
Sometimes, in small companies, they didn't give a flying fuck. Other times, in banks or international institutions, it was lawful good rule breaking. Like, here have my badge because we are still battling internal why my colleagues don't have access.
