It has started
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Yes, it has just started:
Suddenly the big monitor went black. The RDP connection from the notebook to the big machine stopped. The display of the landline phone was empty. Also the clock on the kitchen stove had vanished.Took a look at the fuse box: everything was fine.
Yeah, the first power blackout since a long while. Some 20 minutes.
Looking forward for things to happen more often - and more longer.Our Bright New Future has begun!
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Just think how much fun it will be when there are 200 million electric vehicles that need to be charged every day. The fun is just beginning.
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@Gern_Blaanston
I thought about our (
) energy crisis because of getting rid of nuclear power, coal, gas, current drought preventing hydroelectrics, poo teen not delivering gas, electricity exports to France which cannot run their nuclear power plants currently, lacking electricity transmission infrastructure between wind energy plants at the sea shore and the hinterland, ...
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@BernieTheBernie said in It has started:
lacking electricity transmission infrastructure between wind energy plants at the sea shore and the hinterland
It's called NIMBY.
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As we all know, the primary symptom of insufficient generation is a momentary interruption for some random group of customers, and nothing at all like a decrease in frequency or voltage sag. That’d just be SILLEH!
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If we could ban all the stupid pointless Internet-of-Shit devices how much of the energy capacity would be saved?
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@Arantor said in It has started:
If we could ban all the stupid pointless Internet-of-Shit devices how much of the energy capacity would be saved?
Way less than banning miners.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in It has started:
Just think how much fun it will be when there are 200 million electric vehicles that need to be charged every day. The fun is just beginning.
You drive 400 km a day?
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@Gern_Blaanston said in It has started:
Just think how much fun it will be when there are 200 million electric vehicles that need to be charged every day. The fun is just beginning.
Uhh... at the point of the blackout the energy from the electric vehicle will power your house. A single Tesla can power your house for about a week.
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@dangeRuss But didn't you hear him? He needs to charge his Tesla to 100% every day!
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@Gribnit said in It has started:
@Arantor said in It has started:
If we could ban all the stupid pointless Internet-of-Shit devices how much of the energy capacity would be saved?
Way less than banning miners.
Different kinds of fool to be parted from different kinds of money. But yes, that too.
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@Rhywden said in It has started:
@dangeRuss But didn't you hear him? He needs to charge his Tesla to 100% every day!
Yes, so that in case there's a power outage he can use it as a backup battery. Now we just need to get Elon to allow that. Can someone tweet @ him?
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@dangeRuss Oh yes. That would be a very very simple fix. Just feed the power into the wall socket where the Tesla normally would draw it. That will work for sure...
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@Gribnit said in It has started:
@Arantor said in It has started:
If we could ban all the stupid pointless Internet-of-Shit devices how much of the energy capacity would be saved?
Way less than banning miners.
I agree. It would be worth keeping a watch on the expanse of miners.
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@Zecc said in It has started:
@Gribnit said in It has started:
@Arantor said in It has started:
If we could ban all the stupid pointless Internet-of-Shit devices how much of the energy capacity would be saved?
Way less than banning miners.
I agree. It would be worth keeping a watch on the expanse of miners.
Those damn belters
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@BernieTheBernie said in It has started:
@dangeRuss Oh yes. That would be a very very simple fix. Just feed the power into the wall socket where the Tesla normally would draw it. That will work for sure...
I know you're both trolling, but there are electric vehicles that have the ability to run some appliances (presumably not an entire house) as a backup battery.
The electric F150 is an example of a vehicle that can do this, although the feature is actually designed so that it can run power tools on a construction site that doesn't have electricity run yet.
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Vehicle-to-grid and vehicle-to-home charging is being trialled too.
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@Zecc said in It has started:
I agree. It would be worth keeping a watch on the expanse of miners.
Yes, minors are very dangerous. Especially overweight ones.
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Oh yeah, it is so easy to get electricity fed into your home installation thru any wall outlet - what about cable capacities, fuses, meters, and all that crap?
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in It has started:
I know you're both trolling
I'm not. Some of the youtubers claim that this will be how we store extra grid energy in the future. If I can have a Tesla powerwall in my house, why shouldn't I be able to use the Tesla the same way?
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@BernieTheBernie said in It has started:
Oh yeah, it is so easy to get electricity fed into your home installation thru any wall outlet - what about cable capacities, fuses, meters, and all that crap?
Well, obviously you should check that first but, seriously, it's not rocket science. My parents are currently installing solar panels for a total of 10 kWp on their roof.
And if your wires can support an 11 kW charger then obviously they can also support the power going the opposite direction. All you need is a proper inverter (which is able to sync to grid frequency) and, in case you're worried about power outages, a switching relais which puts you into "island mode" (or however that's called in English).
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in It has started:
@BernieTheBernie said in It has started:
@dangeRuss Oh yes. That would be a very very simple fix. Just feed the power into the wall socket where the Tesla normally would draw it. That will work for sure...
I know you're both trolling, but there are electric vehicles that have the ability to run some appliances (presumably not an entire house) as a backup battery.
The electric F150 is an example of a vehicle that can do this, although the feature is actually designed so that it can run power tools on a construction site that doesn't have electricity run yet.
The Hyundai Ioniq 5 also comes with a 230 V @ 16 A outlet. And the VW ID series is capable of this too, in principle, though in their case the inverter will be external (and usage will be capped to 10 MWh total so not really worthwhile investing the money for said inverter).
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@BernieTheBernie said in It has started:
Oh yeah, it is so easy to get electricity fed into your home installation thru any wall outlet - what about cable capacities, fuses, meters, and all that crap?
Pfffft
Just plug in one of these:
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@Rhywden said in It has started:
in case you're worried about power outages, a switching relais which puts you into "island mode" (or however that's called in English).
Which is absolutely mandatory, whether you're worried about power outages, or not, for any self-generation system. Otherwise, your Tesla/solar panels/diesel generator/whatever winds up electrocuting the guys trying repair the utility pole that was hit by a truck.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in It has started:
@BernieTheBernie said in It has started:
@dangeRuss Oh yes. That would be a very very simple fix. Just feed the power into the wall socket where the Tesla normally would draw it. That will work for sure...
I know you're both trolling, but there are electric vehicles that have the ability to run some appliances (presumably not an entire house) as a backup battery.
The electric F150 is an example of a vehicle that can do this, although the feature is actually designed so that it can run power tools on a construction site that doesn't have electricity run yet.
The electric F150 can power a house.
The Electric Ford F-150 Can Power Your Entire House for Three Days on a Single Charge
If you ration your power usage, Ford says it can stretch that to 10 days.
As can the hybrid F150, with the added benefit of having a convenient onboard generator.
Why Using a Ford F-150 Hybrid to Power Your House Isn't Always Plug-and-Play
The truck is more than capable, but first, you’ve got to make sure your home has everything it needs.
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@HardwareGeek said in It has started:
@Rhywden said in It has started:
in case you're worried about power outages, a switching relais which puts you into "island mode" (or however that's called in English).
Which is absolutely mandatory, whether you're worried about power outages, or not, for any self-generation system. Otherwise, your Tesla/solar panels/diesel generator/whatever winds up electrocuting the guys trying repair the utility pole that was hit by a truck.
Naw, those are two different systems I'm speaking of. Over here, our utilities have the means to make the wires free of current independent of what anyone upstream does.
It would be bloody daft otherwise because you'd be 100% reliant on everyone adhering to the rules.
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@loopback0 said in It has started:
The electric F150 can power a house.
As long as you weren't trying to use it like a truck beforehand.
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@Dragoon said in It has started:
@loopback0 said in It has started:
The electric F150 can power a house.
As long as you weren't trying to use it like a truck beforehand.
Duh. But that's the case for any backup battery or generator. If it's not fully charged or doesn't have a full tank of diesel then it doesn't run as long.
In case of emergency then some power for some time is usually better than no power.
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@topspin (ad hominem)
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@HardwareGeek hey wtf, no being right
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@Dragoon said in It has started:
@loopback0 said in It has started:
The electric F150 can power a house.
As long as you weren't trying to use it like a truck beforehand.
Or you're towing the house.
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@BernieTheBernie said in It has started:
Our Bright New Future has begun!
I think "the exact opposite of 'Bright'" would be more appropriate here.
I guess the "find out" phase of the Galaxy Brain Approach to Energy Issues had been a bit overdue.
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@BernieTheBernie said in It has started:
Oh yeah, it is so easy to get electricity fed into your home installation thru any wall outlet - what about cable capacities, fuses, meters, and all that crap?
I know of people that have taken server hall ups hardware to make this a reality with their EVs 5 years or so ago.
So it's at least doable, but the manufacturers haven't gotten to doing it yet.
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However things might be doable, they are not simple "use this plug" (especially the type shown by @topspin ) solutions. Not at all.
I know some people who have solar panels on their roof, and feed all of that electricity into the public net - they cannot use any electron they generated in their own house. That would require some extra installations at some "non-zero" costs...Oh wasn't that mentioned some where before:
@loopback0 said in It has started:The truck is more than capable, but first, you’ve got to make sure your home has everything it needs.
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@BernieTheBernie said in It has started:
However things might be doable, they are not simple "use this plug" (especially the type shown by @topspin ) solutions. Not at all.
I know some people who have solar panels on their roof, and feed all of that electricity into the public net - they cannot use any electron they generated in their own house. That would require some extra installations at some "non-zero" costs...Not hideously expensive, though. My parents are doing just that (and even will have a 5 kWh accumulator in the cellar) and the biggest cost factors:
- The panels
- The inverter
- The battery
The wiring does not change that much whether you feed everything into the grid or use it for your own before feeding the rest into the grid.
You make it sound like it's hideously expensive. It isn't.
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@BernieTheBernie said in It has started:
I know some people who have solar panels on their roof, and feed all of that electricity into the public net - they cannot use any electron they generated in their own house.
time!Electron in copper moves at the speed of whooping 2mm per second. This means that when the current direction changes 50 times per second, the electrons don't actually go anywhere.
All electrons you use in your own house are the ones already present there, ie strictly locally-sourced. No electrons from power plant ever reach any customer.
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in It has started:
No electrons from power plant ever reach any customer.
Then what am I paying them for? The Force?
Filed under: Actually, yes. Almost. Sort of. In a way.
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in It has started:
No electrons from power plant ever reach any customer.
Now I am disappointed.
Those power suppliers - how did they cheat so long without me detecting it?
Bad guys!
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The electric car apologists in this thread remind me of people doing the same thing regarding crazy stuff in colleges about a decade ago.
"You're getting worried about nothing. It's not that big of a deal."
Aside from the inherent drawbacks of electric cars vs gasoline cars nearly every government in the US at least is chipping away at the electric infrastructure to support current levels, let alone the increased demand that electric cars will require.
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@BernieTheBernie said in It has started:
how did they cheat so long without me detecting it?
The constant shuffling makes it really hard to count. Plus, and I know some people will get "on my case" for this, electrons all look alike.
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@boomzilla try Texas
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@boomzilla said in It has started:
The electric car apologists in this thread remind me of people doing the same thing regarding crazy stuff in colleges about a decade ago.
"You're getting worried about nothing. It's not that big of a deal."
Aside from the inherent drawbacks of electric cars vs gasoline cars nearly every government in the US at least is chipping away at the electric infrastructure to support current levels, let alone the increased demand that electric cars will require.
I'm sure all the coal plants in Virginia will be happy to deliver the extra electricity
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@dangeRuss said in It has started:
@boomzilla said in It has started:
The electric car apologists in this thread remind me of people doing the same thing regarding crazy stuff in colleges about a decade ago.
"You're getting worried about nothing. It's not that big of a deal."
Aside from the inherent drawbacks of electric cars vs gasoline cars nearly every government in the US at least is chipping away at the electric infrastructure to support current levels, let alone the increased demand that electric cars will require.
I'm sure all the coal plants in Virginia will be happy to deliver the extra electricity
That's actually a solution I could get behind.
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@Gribnit said in It has started:
@boomzilla try Texas
If you turn off all the bitcoin miners you’ll have enough spare electricity to drive out of Texas.
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@boomzilla said in It has started:
@dangeRuss said in It has started:
@boomzilla said in It has started:
The electric car apologists in this thread remind me of people doing the same thing regarding crazy stuff in colleges about a decade ago.
"You're getting worried about nothing. It's not that big of a deal."
Aside from the inherent drawbacks of electric cars vs gasoline cars nearly every government in the US at least is chipping away at the electric infrastructure to support current levels, let alone the increased demand that electric cars will require.
I'm sure all the coal plants in Virginia will be happy to deliver the extra electricity
That's actually a solution I could get behind.
I know. I know you're dying to get back into the coal mines and work 14 hour days.
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@Gribnit said in It has started:
@boomzilla try Texas
Windmill capital of the US? No, they're certainly part of why we won't have nice things in the future.
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@topspin said in It has started:
@Gribnit said in It has started:
@boomzilla try Texas
If you turn off all the bitcoin miners you’ll have enough spare electricity to drive out of Texas.
Why bitcoin miners are not offering heavily subsidized heating solutions to consumers is beyond me.
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@boomzilla said in It has started:
Windmill capital of the US?
That's South Dakota. Texas runs on natural gas more, what with, having some.
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@dangeRuss said in It has started:
@topspin said in It has started:
@Gribnit said in It has started:
@boomzilla try Texas
If you turn off all the bitcoin miners you’ll have enough spare electricity to drive out of Texas.
Why bitcoin miners are not offering heavily subsidized heating solutions to consumers is beyond me.
Yes it is. There's a very good reason, but I agree it is beyond you.
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@Gribnit said in It has started:
@boomzilla said in It has started:
Windmill capital of the US?
That's South Dakota. Texas runs on natural gas more, what with, having some.
Maybe by percentage of their total generating capacity.
I stand by my characterization.
Electromotive force - Wikipedia
California is ready to drag the rest of the US into the EV age
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Wind Energy Installed Capacity by State