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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Gotta mix up those names in case the simps are onto Melon Husk at this point
Your best bet would be to encrypt the name
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Felon Tusk
(Technically it should be his son but no Wikipedia article on him.)
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gern_Blaanston no, but for someone who runs large companies, this is rookie level stuff he should know better about.
But everything he's done since sweeping into Twitterville HQ has been next level WTF. Like, I have no fucking clue how to run a company and I'm positive I'd do a less insane job than Felon Tusk at this point. (Gotta mix up those names in case the simps are onto Melon Husk at this point)
I know a bunch of people that left Twitter, I'm still there because fucking hell the popcorn is the best ever.
He's been doing high grade wtf shit the whole time. With twatter, it's just in public view. The insanity does seem to be increasing though, but that has been going on for a few years at least.
I remember a few years ago, when I kept reading for about how much of a genius he was, so I went looking for these examples of him being a genius, and the shit he was hailed as genius for was either just wrong, or extremely simplistic.
Like the "it's not that hard, it's just a hockey table" comment about hyperloop. An idea he stole from decades ago, that didn't get made because it's a shit idea, and easily recognizable as one if you stop and take a look at it.
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Apparently #RIPJimmyFallon has been trending all day and Jimmy asked His Muskiness to step in and get it taken down.
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@izzion said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Which means all they'll be left with are the people that are either a) not likely to find another place in those 3 months or b) not willing to risk trying to find another place in 3 months.
IOW you're keeping the people who can't or won't say no, which are the people who aren't usually the best performers. Not a smart move.
Though with the hiring bust in Silicon Valley positions at the moment, there's at least the possibility that the high achievers will feel stuck at this point and determine that they'll bite the bullet for now and keep their heads down.
I could also win the next $2bn lottery jackpot, but hey.
If they win the jackpot they can buy Twitter from Musk in a few months.
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@Carnage said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
He's been doing high grade wtf shit the whole time. With twatter, it's just in public view.
Public view is the goal. He's trying to convince the public that he's cleaning house, fixing Twitter, making it profitable. And a lot of people are falling for it.
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@MrL said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
And a lot of people are falling for it.
Mostly Twitter users, though.
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@MrL said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Everything Musk says can be considered a lie a priori.
He was an aspie (by his own admission!)
He's not an aspie. It's just another lie to look cool.
Wait, we're cool now?
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@error Only if your CHA modifier is at least +4 and your net worth is at least hundred billion.
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@error said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@MrL said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Everything Musk says can be considered a lie a priori.
He was an aspie (by his own admission!)
He's not an aspie. It's just another lie to look cool.
Wait, we're cool now?
Yeah, it became cool somewhere around 2010 or so, and was then misrepresented the hell out of in American media. Of course, it's now all just autism spectrum disorder and asperger doesn't exist as a diagnose anyone, so it's lost it's coolness since then I think.
Speaking of autism, I've been watching a Korean series where the protagonist is an autistic lawyer. It's actually pretty good. Extraordinary Attorney Woo is the name of it.
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@Arantor With that second paragraph, Musk is trying to appeal to engineers. And highly talented engineers typically prefer to team up with highly talented engineers. And if any of the people who designed and coded the production systems are still in house, they will have feelings for their creation. Whereas you'd typically assume the advocate-y types to be lazy, and thus scared by the mention of long hours and exceptional performance. And no commitment or attachment for the betterment of the company, now that it's no longer aligned to their preferred ideology.
Plus, like mentioned, even if you sign, there's no way to legally enforce slave labor. So smart people will sign and keep working normally. While the less smart get scared and leave.
In theory anyway. So, it's a gamble. Not a completely batshit crazy one. But at the same time, it makes assumptions of the crowd currently working at Twitter. Or does it? Maybe Musk has made observations that we haven't. Genius or con-man, he's managed to move people. And that takes something.
I'm taking notes. I'd definitely word that announcement a little different. But its effects will be worth remembering, whatever they may be.
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@acrow His prior shenanigans on the topic suggests he wants people to work 16x7, and sleep in the office. So the smart and capable will possibly GTFO, and he'll be left with the people incapable of landing a new job. In general, the people you really don't want to make up your company backbone.
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@Carnage that’s exactly my assessment too. But I didn’t bargain for a depression in Silly Valley that might alter the situation.
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@Carnage said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@acrow His prior shenanigans on the topic suggests he wants people to work 16x7, and sleep in the office.
If he pays for that, I could still see takers.
So the smart and capable will possibly GTFO, and he'll be left with the people incapable of landing a new job. In general, the people you really don't want to make up your company backbone.
Or the autists that don't want to move. But then he's saddled with a herd of autists without any buffering from semi-competents, so maybe you have a point.
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@acrow said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Carnage said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@acrow His prior shenanigans on the topic suggests he wants people to work 16x7, and sleep in the office.
If he pays for that, I could still see takers.
Me personally would require more or less 10x salary to do that shit for any extended times. And considering the previous performance of His Muskiness, and the spiralling towards the bottom of Twatter, I'd say the chance of worthwhile pay for slave labor conditions is very low.
So the smart and capable will possibly GTFO, and he'll be left with the people incapable of landing a new job. In general, the people you really don't want to make up your company backbone.
Or the autists that don't want to move. But then he's saddled with a herd of autists without any buffering from semi-competents, so maybe you have a point.
Yeah, when you make your workplace hostile, the people able to GTFO does so, and the ones able to do so are the ones you desperately want to keep. I've seen it happen way too many times.
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@Carnage said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
His prior shenanigans on the topic suggests he wants people to work 16x7, and sleep in the office.
That craters the productivity of anyone who does it. Turns your brain to mush in a few days, even if you really want/need to work that much.
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@Carnage But that's still assuming that the majority of the existing workforce was something that he'd want to keep.
Also if he could afford to keep them. If Ticker-guy's analysis was anywhere close to correct, Twitter is too large to survive by just ad revenue and data mining. So they had to take money for "opinion shaping" as well. Meaning, if this revenue stream is no longer available, then decimating the workforce was not optional from the get-go; he had to do it. But I digress.
Normally, when decimating the work-force, you'd start with the people who are against the new direction. So Musk did a lot of public yelling to try and make the undesirables leave Twitter by their own volition. And even arranged for a couple of actors to stand in front of the office doors with boxes to help trigger the exodus.
That didn't work. Because the economy got into the way, and nobody could move out easily. But Musk is still trying to stick to his script. So he's cranking up the pressure.
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@dkf said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Carnage said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
His prior shenanigans on the topic suggests he wants people to work 16x7, and sleep in the office.
That craters the productivity of anyone who does it. Turns your brain to mush in a few days, even if you really want/need to work that much.
I know, I did a month like that once. Took several months to become productive again after.
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@dkf said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Carnage said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
His prior shenanigans on the topic suggests he wants people to work 16x7, and sleep in the office.
That craters the productivity of anyone who does it. Turns your brain to mush in a few days, even if you really want/need to work that much.
I see you've been to Japan.
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@Carnage said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@dkf said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Carnage said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
His prior shenanigans on the topic suggests he wants people to work 16x7, and sleep in the office.
That craters the productivity of anyone who does it. Turns your brain to mush in a few days, even if you really want/need to work that much.
I know, I did a month like that once. Took several months to become productive again after.
Did that too. Never got productive again though.
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@loopback0 said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@loopback0 said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
(or is about to be let go)
Here's the full email.
This is a reasonable approach. Sign up to a shit work-life balance, or we'll give you 3 months severance to leave.
Speaking of shit work-life balance, does nobody at Twatter go on holidays?
Like, imagine if you’re currently on a trip to Hawaii and come back to see you’re fired because you didn’t click on some dumb button?
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@acrow said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
With that second paragraph, Musk is trying to appeal to engineers. And highly talented engineers typically prefer to team up with highly talented engineers. And if any of the people who designed and coded the production systems are still in house, they will have feelings for their creation.
Sure, but even highly talented engineers get older, occasionally form families, and end up having priorities besides work. If any senior (time-wise) engineers are left, there's probably a high chance that this has happened to some degree. If you want to work with talented engineers long term, you better find a place that doesn't have work conditions incompatible with "normal" life.
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Also, it's kind of forgetting that the reason so many tech companies progressively added all those perks (and why they tend to be a staple of early start-ups) isn't just that it was the only way to keep employees in a high-demand market (which might be a factor that's disappearing).
There is also the fact that any engineer should know that software engineering in particular is a field where you just can't be productive on set hours. You might be more productive by goofing off until the idea crystallises in your head, than by bashing your keyword randomly while blankly looking at your screen.
So I get the feeling that Elon will end up with many people who will work 42 hours/day, but who will produce less than some of those who left would have produced in (nominally) 1 hour/week. Oh, sure, by whatever random coding metrics that he puts in place (LoC, tickets closed, number of RPC calls when loading the home page, whatever), they will be great, but other than that... not so much.
Now, OTOH, I also get the feeling that Twitter, like many social media companies that rely on "external" revenue only (i.e. ads which aren't really what the main business activity looks like), might actually have been in deep shit for some time. That was all hidden because... I don't know really, but probably something about bubbles or similar.
Elon came strutting, and now he's the guy telling everyone that the King is naked. That's great for bragging, but given that at the same time he is the King (i.e. owner of the business that he's revealing isn't worth anything), it doesn't sound like the makings of a huge success story. He might end up with a thriving revamped company in a couple of years, but I'm not sure it'll be worth anything near the price he bought it...
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@remi said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
goofing off until the idea crystallises in your head, than by bashing your keyword randomly while blankly looking at your screen.
That's the correct way.
At least 90% of terrible code I encounter on daily basis is so bad because the author did zero thinking before typing. Thoughtlessness is the worst sin.So I get the feeling that Elon will end up with many people who will work 42 hours/day, but who will produce less than some of those who left would have produced in (nominally) 1 hour/week. Oh, sure, by whatever random coding metrics that he puts in place (LoC, tickets closed, number of RPC calls when loading the home page, whatever), they will be great, but other than that... not so much.
All that divagating about what kind of engineers/employees Musk will attract and scare off is fun and all, but it's missing one thing: what will they actually work on?
Twitter is already built - it's just maintenance now, with occasional new pseudo feature.
Will they build a second Twitter, but different? No need to buy whole Twitter to do that.
Will they heavily modify/optimize existing system? There's no money in that.And that's ok, because the goal is not to build anything. The goal is to build up hype for investors and advertisers, with Musk's classic "I'm an arrogant genius, employing only the best, and with super mega hard work we'll create something amaaaazing. Please buy shares".
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@remi said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Now, OTOH, I also get the feeling that Twitter, like many social media companies that rely on "external" revenue only (i.e. ads which aren't really what the main business activity looks like), might actually have been in deep shit for some time. That was all hidden because... I don't know really, but probably something about bubbles or similar.
There are multiple interviews with (probalby now former) Twitter employees floating around where they talk about how the company wasn't interested in turning a profit.
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@remi said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Oh, sure, by whatever random coding metrics that he puts in place (LoC, tickets closed
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@dkf said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@remi said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Oh, sure, by whatever random coding metrics that he puts in place (LoC, tickets closed
Hey, Wally probably at least did more work that afternoon than he did for the prior 5 years.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@error Only if your CHA modifier is at least +4 and your net worth is at least hundred billion.
Alrighty, so, making some reasonable extrapolations, and conservatively estimating my modifier at +7, I'm cool whenever I have at least $100.
ed. you'll run out of aging bonuses eventually - then what will you do, old man?
I'll die, Ed. And I'll drag you to hell with me.
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@dkf said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Carnage said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
His prior shenanigans on the topic suggests he wants people to work 16x7, and sleep in the office.
That craters the productivity of anyone who does it. Turns your brain to mush in a few days, even if you really want/need to work that much.
What we need is fighter-pilot meds. Or even better, bomber-pilot meds.
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@topspin HST was absolutely spot-on correct on the Boers.
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@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
imagine if you’re currently on a trip to Hawaii and come back to see you’re fired because you didn’t click on some dumb button?
Sucks to be them!
:elon: Well, you should have been checking your email in HI!
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@MrL said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Twitter is already built - it's just
maintenancecontent moderation now
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@The_Quiet_One said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@izzion said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Which means all they'll be left with are the people that are either a) not likely to find another place in those 3 months or b) not willing to risk trying to find another place in 3 months.
IOW you're keeping the people who can't or won't say no, which are the people who aren't usually the best performers. Not a smart move.
Though with the hiring bust in Silicon Valley positions at the moment, there's at least the possibility that the high achievers will feel stuck at this point and determine that they'll bite the bullet for now and keep their heads down.
I could also win the next $2bn lottery jackpot, but hey.
If they win the jackpot they can buy Twitter from Musk in a few months.
But why?
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@BernieTheBernie because some people actually like Twitter.
Like me for example.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@BernieTheBernie because some people actually like Twitter.
Like me for example.
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@MrL said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Twitter is already built - it's just maintenance now, with occasional new pseudo feature.
Not at all. The very main features can still be optimized: data analysis for other companies buying ad space. They may already be great, but there is a lot of competition from other companies like Facebook, Google, ...
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@BernieTheBernie said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@MrL said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Twitter is already built - it's just maintenance now, with occasional new pseudo feature.
Not at all. The very main features can still be optimized: data analysis for other companies buying ad space. They may already be great, but there is a lot of competition from other companies like Facebook, Google, ...
Can they? How do we know that?
And if they can, will it cause income difference worth mentioning?
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@dcon said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@MrL said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Twitter is already built - it's just
maintenancecontent moderation nowTrue. Paraphrasing Thunderfoot - maybe Twitter wasn't earning that little because of how it was, maybe it has to be like that to earn even that much.
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@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@BernieTheBernie because some people actually like Twitter.
Like me for example.
"I do. I like people, but I like them in short bursts. I don't like people for extended periods of time. I'm all right with them for a little while, but once you get up past around...
a minute, minute and a half280 characters, I gotta get the fuck out of there."
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@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@BernieTheBernie because some people actually like Twitter.
Like me for example.
Well, I post here so I must be right?
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@BernieTheBernie because some people actually like Twitter.
Like me for example.
Well, I post here so I must be right?
Yes, here you can get a more distilled form of Hastur.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@BernieTheBernie because some people actually like Twitter.
Like me for example.
Well, I post here so I must be right?
You don't have to be but it helps.
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@boomzilla Are there any of us that post here who can claim to be entirely free of the ?
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@boomzilla Are there any of us that post here who can claim to be entirely free of the ?
My psychiatrist says I'm not mentally ill.
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@MrL according to Tumblr, you should keep getting second opinions until one says you are.
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@MrL said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
My psychiatrist
Which voice in the head is that?
: Quiet! Stop saying that.
: What?
: I'm not talking to you.
: but we're the only 2 here...
: <mutters> That's what you think.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@boomzilla Are there any of us that post here who can claim to be entirely free of the ?
Maybe one of the bots?
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@dcon said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@MrL said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
My psychiatrist
Which voice in the head is that?
The malevolent one.
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@kazitor it's gonna sink like post-Brexit economy!