Apple goes full Big Brother
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@izzion said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@loopback0 said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@boomzilla the current methods have false positives too, so will be interesting to see how the actual false positive rate compares to the 1 in 10 billion that PhotoDNA apparently achieves.
Oh, don't worry, they won't report you to the cops unless there's a whole bunch of positives, so you can't possibly be caught by false positives because nobody would really have that many false positives.
One wonders how many dick picks the human reviewers will look at before they just stop looking.
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@boomzilla :the-same-picture.jpeg:
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@boomzilla said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@izzion said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@loopback0 said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@boomzilla the current methods have false positives too, so will be interesting to see how the actual false positive rate compares to the 1 in 10 billion that PhotoDNA apparently achieves.
Oh, don't worry, they won't report you to the cops unless there's a whole bunch of positives, so you can't possibly be caught by false positives because nobody would really have that many false positives.
One wonders how many dick picks the human reviewers will look at before they just stop looking.
The dick pics are probably not really a problem.
I vaguely remember some article about Facebook employees who had to look at reported images and it’s not the sexually explicit but legal stuff that really gets you, it’s the gore and/or outright illegal material. Surely looking at dick pics all day is a walk in the park compared to the CSAM stuff that’s discussed here. That’s the part that makes you need a psychiatrist.
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@topspin said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@boomzilla said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@izzion said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@loopback0 said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@boomzilla the current methods have false positives too, so will be interesting to see how the actual false positive rate compares to the 1 in 10 billion that PhotoDNA apparently achieves.
Oh, don't worry, they won't report you to the cops unless there's a whole bunch of positives, so you can't possibly be caught by false positives because nobody would really have that many false positives.
One wonders how many dick picks the human reviewers will look at before they just stop looking.
The dick pics are probably not really a problem.
I'm thinking about them triggering false positives.
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@boomzilla said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@topspin said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@boomzilla said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@izzion said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@loopback0 said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@boomzilla the current methods have false positives too, so will be interesting to see how the actual false positive rate compares to the 1 in 10 billion that PhotoDNA apparently achieves.
Oh, don't worry, they won't report you to the cops unless there's a whole bunch of positives, so you can't possibly be caught by false positives because nobody would really have that many false positives.
One wonders how many dick picks the human reviewers will look at before they just stop looking.
The dick pics are probably not really a problem.
I'm thinking about them triggering false positives.
If that triggers a false positive it’s definitely in the fuzzy ML garbage area that identifies “patterns” instead of specific images. Definitely unacceptable. Without access to anything but the “hash” you can’t even check.
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@topspin said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
compared to the CSAM stuff that’s discussed here. That’s the part that makes you need a psychiatrist.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@topspin said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
compared to the CSAM stuff that’s discussed here. That’s the part that makes you need a psychiatrist.
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There's a skull right under your face, btw.
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@Gribnit said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
There's a skull right under your face, btw.
Look, I got really hammered and when I woke up I had this thing tattooed on my neck. You don't need to keep bringing it up.
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@error A skull tattoo on my Adam's apple actually sounds metal AF but it might as well say "unemployable."
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@error said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@error A skull tattoo on my Adam's apple actually sounds metal AF but it might as well say "unemployable."
Go with a ram skull on the sternum, the clavicles make for natural horns
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@loopback0 terrifying degree of eyebrow / headbrow mismatch. Shoot on sight.
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@loopback0 So much backpedaling. He should enter Olympic cycling, riding in reverse.
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@HardwareGeek said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@loopback0 So much backpedaling. He should enter Olympic cycling, riding in reverse.
Terrible stability problems that way, not to mention steering. By the time the physics is worked out, it's hardly even funny anymore.
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@error
It's the new must-have body decoration for laryngectomy recipients.
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@Gribnit said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@HardwareGeek said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@loopback0 So much backpedaling. He should enter Olympic cycling, riding in reverse.
Terrible stability problems that way, not to mention steering. By the time the physics is worked out, it's hardly even funny anymore.
I tried to do that with my fixed gear bike. Never made it more than a couple inches.
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@boomzilla said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@loopback0 said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
No. Fuck these people. Nuke them from orbit.
Dude just get better crypto. Also ew.
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@Gribnit said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@boomzilla said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@loopback0 said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
No. Fuck these people. Nuke them from orbit.
Dude just get better crypto. Also ew.
But would better crypto make it through the app store review process?
Also, this amused me for the headline...
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@boomzilla said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
But would better crypto make it through the app store review process?
If Apple thought you needed better crypto, they'd have provided it for you. You've no need to ever do it yourself!!!
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@dkf said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
You've no need to ever do it yourself!!!
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So apparently the algorithm has been reverse engineered and there’s already a pre-image attack.
Conclusion: this is unacceptable.
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@topspin said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
Conclusion: this is unacceptable.
More unacceptable than what already happens for Google, Microsoft, Facebook etc?
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@loopback0 said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
@topspin said in Apple goes full Big Brother:
Conclusion: this is unacceptable.
More unacceptable than what already happens for Google, Microsoft, Facebook etc?
Don't forget to include the NSA or your local subsidiary.
The answer to that is "no", but that's a low bar.
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And attacks are getting better as we speak:
Sorry for the NSFW, but it was to show that you can produce a soft-porn image of any given hash, that a user can know it's perfectly legal and have legitimate reasons to store, but a manual reviewer will have more problem to know the age of the person involved.
Put yourself in the shoes of the manual reviewer presented with a nude picture with a "matching CSAM " and ask yourself from the grainy picture that looks like a home-made scanned slide whether you can determine if the girl is underage or not and if you should report the picture or not.
I'm convinced you can take almost any image and smoothly transition it to very close to any other image while retaining its original perceptual hash value.
I'm about a third of the way done with turning a picture of samwise into a bowl of frootloops with the identical perceptual hash.
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@topspin not good news for the perceptual part of the name. Must've worked the second proverbial way, vs "so simple there are obviously no problems".
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:phrasing: