Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@LaoC said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
Theoretically it would be possible to disable most of that, but it's an arcane art that even most Windows admins have to look up in Microsoft's dungeon of broken links that's called a "Knowledge Base".
I do this all the time!
Edit: And, contrary to popular belief, it's far easier to start with nothing and add shit in (using Windows PE) than it is to remove shit from a full installation.
I think everybody who has ever tried would agree the latter is extremely hard.
It's just too bad MS doesn't want you using Windows PE in production environments, it's a really nice environment comparable to Linux's "Live" solutions.
I guess there must be a reason for that, the most likely being it's even less production ready than regular XP.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@xaade said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@error said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
xkcd revolutionary
It took me a while to figure out why a rocket shooting a rocket shooting a rocket can't go over the speed of light.
Then I learned about calculus, and learned that with floating point numbers there's always more room for a yet smaller increment. Then the final nail in the coffin was that, because of general relativity, each smaller increment could appear as a flat increase in speed to the previous rocket.
Special relativity. Not general. General is all about gravity.
It's an easy mistake to make; the names are backwards. "General" suggests to the mind "normal" and "special" makes you think "abnormal", but special relativity is the normal one that people more-or-less-kinda understand, and general relativity is really bizarre.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@xaade said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@error said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
xkcd revolutionary
It took me a while to figure out why a rocket shooting a rocket shooting a rocket can't go over the speed of light.
Then I learned about calculus, and learned that with floating point numbers there's always more room for a yet smaller increment. Then the final nail in the coffin was that, because of general relativity, each smaller increment could appear as a flat increase in speed to the previous rocket.
Special relativity. Not general. General is all about gravity.
It's an easy mistake to make; the names are backwards. "General" suggests to the mind "normal" and "special" makes you think "abnormal", but special relativity is the normal one that people more-or-less-kinda understand, and general relativity is really bizarre.
Except for the details of the math (which no one understands fully), general relativity always made sense to me. But then I'm weird.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
which no one understands fully
[citation needed]
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@error Are you literally asking him to prove a negative?
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@error said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
which no one understands fully
[citation needed]
@boomzilla doesn't understand it fully, and we're all his alts. So no one does.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
general relativity is really bizarre.
Space time is stretched.
So as far as inertia is concerned, it sees the center of the gravitational field as nearly the entire field, and the outside of the field as very thin. So you think you're falling, but you're really just moving through a warped bubble.
It also explains the slingshotting thingy. If time is slower towards the center of a field, when you're moving faster as you slingshot around, you're really just moving closer to a constant speed (space-time distance over space-time time), relatively speaking.
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I found this series really helpful:
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@acrow said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@LaoC said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
Theoretically it would be possible to disable most of that, but it's an arcane art that even most Windows admins have to look up in Microsoft's dungeon of broken links that's called a "Knowledge Base".
I do this all the time!
Edit: And, contrary to popular belief, it's far easier to start with nothing and add shit in (using Windows PE) than it is to remove shit from a full installation.
It's just too bad MS doesn't want you using Windows PE in production environments, it's a really nice environment comparable to Linux's "Live" solutions.
Just to make sure I understood that right, are you talking about the Preinstallation Environment? As in:
Yes!
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@LaoC said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
I guess there must be a reason for that, the most likely being it's even less production ready than regular XP.
I dunno. It uses the same (or basically same) kernel as RTM Windows. Its main drawback is a hardcoded 36 hour time bomb to reboot (because let's face it: if your installation or recovery is taking longer than three contiguous days there's something fishy going on).
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
there's something fishy going on
OI! If i want to install Windows onto a massive RAID array composed of 28,000 floppy drives in a Mirror/Stripe configuration then i should damn well be able to do that!
and before you tell me that this is impossible a setup to install Windows 10 into, i refer you to the minimum specs listed for the OS. They only list harddrive size. they never said anything about speed.
;-P
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@error said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
I found this series really helpful:
Does the simultaneous event not being simultaneous if moving, is that because the light will travel longer and you'll perceive it later, or it will literally happen later?
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@xaade said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
is that because the light will travel longer and you'll perceive it later, or it will literally happen later?
the fun thing about relativity is the answer to that question is "YES!"
becasue which one of those reasons is "correct" depends on the reference frame relative to the events you are observing you occupy when the question is asked.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
36 hour
three contiguous days
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
36 hour
three contiguous days:barbie: Math is hard! Let's go shopping!
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@Vixen said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@xaade said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
is that because the light will travel longer and you'll perceive it later, or it will literally happen later?
the fun thing about relativity is the answer to that question is "YES!"
becasue which one of those reasons is "correct" depends on the reference frame relative to the events you are observing you occupy when the question is asked.
Looks like it doesn't depend, the answer is YES for both.
If I'm moving to the left, the horizon of a simultaneous event shifts like so. (red dots)
But my observation, due to the light traveling to me, is even more delayed. (blue dots)
I think this is because the apparent "speed of time" is shorter in the direction I'm moving, and longer in the direction I'm leaving.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
36 hour
three contiguous daysDepends on how fast you're traveling vs how fast the computer is traveling obviously. And you thought the Linux scheduler was weird!
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@acrow said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@Tsaukpaetra Digital sound mixing became a thing when all those gigaflops got a lot cheaper than the dedicated mixing hardware. It is actually being done.
Especially when you're mixing 60+ channels at once, like in a live concert.@acrow said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@Tsaukpaetra Digital sound mixing became a thing when all those gigaflops got a lot cheaper than the dedicated mixing hardware. It is actually being done.
Especially when you're mixing 60+ channels at once, like in a live concert.Indeed. I was the workspace developer (faders, knobs, screens, logic, snapshots, et. al.) of the first 100% digital mixing console. Used 12+ Pentiums (1 per module) and up to 72 Sharc DSPS..... And that was about25 years ago.
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@Vixen said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
there's something fishy going on
OI! If i want to install Windows onto a massive RAID array composed of 28,000 floppy drives in a Mirror/Stripe configuration then i should damn well be able to do that!
and before you tell me that this is impossible a setup to install Windows 10 into, i refer you to the minimum specs listed for the OS. They only list harddrive size. they never said anything about speed.
;-P
Question is, is it hardware RAID? You're going to need a shitting of controllers capable of talking to floppys...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
a shitting of controllers
yes, yes i would need that.
i asked the flopotron guy for help.
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@boomzilla said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@Mason_Wheeler said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
36 hour
three contiguous daysDepends on how fast you're traveling vs how fast the computer is traveling obviously. And you thought the Linux scheduler was weird!
I see someone was paying attention!
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@TheCPUWizard said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@acrow said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@Tsaukpaetra Digital sound mixing became a thing when all those gigaflops got a lot cheaper than the dedicated mixing hardware. It is actually being done.
Especially when you're mixing 60+ channels at once, like in a live concert.@acrow said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@Tsaukpaetra Digital sound mixing became a thing when all those gigaflops got a lot cheaper than the dedicated mixing hardware. It is actually being done.
Especially when you're mixing 60+ channels at once, like in a live concert.Indeed. I was the workspace developer (faders, knobs, screens, logic, snapshots, et. al.) of the first 100% digital mixing console. Used 12+ Pentiums (1 per module) and up to 72 Sharc DSPS..... And that was about25 years ago.
Ah, but did it run Windows of Shitux?
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
: Yeah, because nobody's targeting your systems because no one's using them. Should that change at some hypothetical future point, and you actually get enough market share to be a worthwhile target, you'll be the biggest security mess of all, because you've never had to take it seriously.
Yeah, nobody use Linux on the server side either, that's why it's not a target
Oh, wait
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@TimeBandit said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@Mason_Wheeler said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
: Yeah, because nobody's targeting your systems because no one's using them. Should that change at some hypothetical future point, and you actually get enough market share to be a worthwhile target, you'll be the biggest security mess of all, because you've never had to take it seriously.
Yeah, nobody use Linux on the server side either, that's why it's not a target
Oh, wait
Windows SEVEN?! What fucking list of server OSes is that?!
Linux is number one regardless but any server statistics which have their only mention of Windows as Windows 7 is wrong.
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@loopback0 said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
Windows SEVEN?! What fucking list of server OSes is that?!
What they said, only louder and shriek-ier.
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@loopback0 said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
Windows SEVEN?! What fucking list of server OSes is that?!
Must be all those servers hosting @error_bot
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@loopback0 said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@TimeBandit said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@Mason_Wheeler said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
: Yeah, because nobody's targeting your systems because no one's using them. Should that change at some hypothetical future point, and you actually get enough market share to be a worthwhile target, you'll be the biggest security mess of all, because you've never had to take it seriously.
Yeah, nobody use Linux on the server side either, that's why it's not a target
Oh, wait
Windows SEVEN?! What fucking list of server OSes is that?!
Linux is number one regardless but any server statistics which have their only mention of Windows as Windows 7 is wrong.
Ah. I see you clearly haven't seen the prod machines running Windows 7 Pro for IIS to get around the license for Windows server...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
Ah. I see you clearly haven't seen the prod machines running Windows 7 Pro for IIS to get around the license for Windows server...
I'm reasonably sure we've discussed this previously here. The license for Windows 7 (or any desktop version of Windows) doesn't permit using it as a server, so that gets around nothing.
I'd also said "...their only mention.." to include that sort of scenario.
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@xaade Take a step back: you are moving through space-time at the speed of light. A constant speed. If you are 'standing still' in space, you are racing into the future at speed 'c'.
Now think about what happens if your speed in space-time is constant but you're moving in space. By the pythagorean theorem, you have a hypotenuse of length c, and a "height" of length v. You will be "stealing" from your "temporal speed" to get "spatial speed".
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
You're going to need a shitting
@Tsaukpaetra said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
Ah, but did it run Windows of Shitux?
Do you need to visit the bathroom?
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@loopback0 Gets around it just fine. As long as you have fewer than 10 simultaneous authenticated users, you don't have to pay about 4 times as much for the OS license, nor (though they're not required for "web workloads") Client Access Licenses.
Technically. Not legally.
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@loopback0 said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
I'm reasonably sure we've discussed this previously here. The license for Windows 7 (or any desktop version of Windows) doesn't permit using it as a server, so that gets around nothing.
You also can't
when using Internet-based features you may not use those features in any way that could interfere with anyone else’s use of them, or to try to gain access to or use any service, data, account, or network, in an unauthorized manner.
and yet...
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@TwelveBaud said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
Gets around it just fine.
@TwelveBaud said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
Not legally.
So, no, it doesn't.
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@loopback0 But they're still online. So, clearly, it does.
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@loopback0 said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@TimeBandit said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@Mason_Wheeler said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
: Yeah, because nobody's targeting your systems because no one's using them. Should that change at some hypothetical future point, and you actually get enough market share to be a worthwhile target, you'll be the biggest security mess of all, because you've never had to take it seriously.
Yeah, nobody use Linux on the server side either, that's why it's not a target
Oh, wait
Windows SEVEN?! What fucking list of server OSes is that?!
You can’t run a web server on something that reboots twice a day.
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@topspin said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@loopback0 said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@TimeBandit said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@Mason_Wheeler said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
: Yeah, because nobody's targeting your systems because no one's using them. Should that change at some hypothetical future point, and you actually get enough market share to be a worthwhile target, you'll be the biggest security mess of all, because you've never had to take it seriously.
Yeah, nobody use Linux on the server side either, that's why it's not a target
Oh, wait
Windows SEVEN?! What fucking list of server OSes is that?!
You can’t run a web server on something that reboots twice a day.
You can usually stretch it to 24 hours and label it "daily maintenance".
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@topspin said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
You can’t run a web server on something that reboots twice a day.
GIve it until next week and it won't be rebooting at all. At least not due to updates.
Also who downvoted this?!
INB4 boomzilla downvoted this
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@topspin said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
something that reboots
Also, now that there won't be any more updates, there won't be any more reboots!
Fancy that!
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@loopback0 said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@topspin said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
You can’t run a web server on something that reboots twice a day.
GIve it until next week and it won't be rebooting at all.
To clarify, as my drift obviously got lost: I meant 10, not 7 as in the list (which, being in the list, was the cause of the exasperation).
Also who downvoted this?!
Look at the reply chain.
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@topspin said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
To clarify, as my drift obviously got lost: I meant 10, not 7 as in the list (which, being in the list, was the cause of the exasperation).
I guess I should have assumed some element of drift.
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@loopback0 said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@topspin said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
To clarify, as my drift obviously got lost: I meant 10, not 7 as in the list (which, being in the list, was the cause of the exasperation).
I guess I should have assumed some element of drift.
Shitty schedulers, skewed clocks and all that...
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@levicki said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
If I have to google an acronym, as a common desktop user you have already failed.
If you are dumb enough as a native English speaker to have to Google it, you have already failed.
So I guess you know every acronym in every field then
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@levicki said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
Forced reboot every 72 hours?
I once worked for a company where we decided the way to deal with our memory leaks was to reboot the device everyday at 3am.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@error said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
which no one understands fully
[citation needed]
@boomzilla doesn't understand it fully, and we're all his alts. So no one does.
You forgot the
qed
there.
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@TimeBandit said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@levicki said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
If I have to google an acronym, as a common desktop user you have already failed.
If you are dumb enough as a native English speaker to have to Google it, you have already failed.
So I guess you know every acronym in every field then
and can disambiguate them when they are misused, or when different fields use the same acronym with different meaning.
and anyone who cannot do that is no true
scottsmandeveloper.
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@TimeBandit said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@loopback0 said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
Windows SEVEN?! What fucking list of server OSes is that?!
Must be all those servers hosting @error_bot
@error_bot runs on Windows 10, as evidenced by the nightly rebooting.
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@levicki said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
and those I don't know I am not being an asshole about having to go and look them up. It's literally out there one Google search away.
But you said
If you are dumb enough as a native English speaker to have to Google it, you have already failed.
So you are being an asshole
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@TimeBandit said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
So you are being an asshole
They're posting here aren't they? That's a given isn't it?
Or is it a given in that place wot i'm not allowed to go by court order?
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@Rhywden said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@error said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
which no one understands fully
[citation needed]
@boomzilla doesn't understand it fully, and we're all his alts. So no one does.
You forgot the
qed
there.No one understands QED either. That math is even worse.
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@TimeBandit said in Linux locks and a kinder, gentler Linus:
being an asshole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2GwrR-4Q9E&feature=youtu.be&t=46