[Video]Recruiters Goal, Not to find qualified Americans



  • I have been coming here and reading for about 2 years now. Finally I have something worth sharing on the message boards.

    Immigration attorneys advise  their corporate clients how to not find any qualified American Applicants.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU
    (speaker starts at about 30 second mark)

    "Our
    goal is clearly NOT to find a qualified U.S. worker ... our objective
    is to get this person a green card ... so certainly we are not going to
    try to find a place where applicants would be most numerous." 
    - Lawrence M. Lebowitz - Vice President of Marketing - Cohen & Grigsby

    I find it disturbing, but then again we already knew this was going on.



  • @grrr said:

    "Our
    goal is clearly NOT to find a qualified U.S. worker"

    What's so disturbing about this?

    You can easily find hundreds of unqualified U.S. workers.

    They're mostly in the programming field.



  • @CPound said:

    @grrr said:

    "Our
    goal is clearly NOT to find a qualified U.S. worker"

    What's so disturbing about this?

    You can easily find hundreds of unqualified U.S. workers.

    They're mostly in the programming field.


     

    If you can't figure out what is wrong with committing fraud, and lying to congress then I don't know what to tell you.

     The whole point is that there are qualified US workers and they are doing there best to not find them by not posting on sites like Dice and Monster. Instead they take out an ad in a print news and on their personal web site where no one hardly finds the ad. Then they find creative ways to reject all US candidates.


     

     


     



  • I hate to break it to you, but people are weeded out of positions every day for much more practical reasons.

    This is just another group of people doing their version of weeding.

    Companies hire who they want to hire. We would like to think that all interviewers are upstanding moral people, who judge their candidates based on qualifications and good character, but this is not reality.

    Take my past experiences, for example. If you had tattoos all over your arms, you didn't get the job. Piercings? You can forget it. And this is all before we get down to your qualifications.

    People are extremely fickle. And they're not going to be as open and honest like me about the hiring process. They'll have their secret hang-ups and prejudices, but they'll never say them aloud. They'll just exclude you from the hiring list.

    Which is why this Youtube video doesn't shock or amaze me at all. It's just more of the same, done a little bit differently. 



  • @CPound said:

    Companies hire who they want to hire.

    Nonetheless, certain hiring practices, such as hiring only men, or only white people, or only foreigners who will work for cheap, are illegal. 



  • @asuffield said:

    Nonetheless, certain hiring practices, such as hiring only men, or only white people, or only foreigners who will work for cheap, are illegal.

    Is not hiring someone based on appearance legal? Piercings/tattoos, etc. I'd really like to know.



  • @CPound said:

    @asuffield said:

    Nonetheless, certain hiring practices, such as hiring only men, or only white people, or only foreigners who will work for cheap, are illegal.

    Is not hiring someone based on appearance legal? Piercings/tattoos, etc. I'd really like to know.

    Ask your lawyer. That's the kind of question for which they charge by the hour. You could write a small encyclopaedia on the answer.



  • I've seen similar things where a manager wants to promote a particular worker to a certain position, but union rules require that the job be posted and that all qualified candidates be considered.

    That's when you see things in the listing like "The successful candidate will have a high school diploma from an accredited school in Michigan and will have three years, two months and five days experience with a Farnsworth 410-X modulating press (not the 410-X2)."



  • @newfweiler said:

    I've seen similar things where a manager wants to promote a particular worker to a certain position, but union rules require that the job be posted and that all qualified candidates be considered.

    That's when you see things in the listing like "The successful candidate will have a high school diploma from an accredited school in Michigan and will have three years, two months and five days experience with a Farnsworth 410-X modulating press (not the 410-X2)."

     Then in the rare event that someone else matches the needlessly strict requirements, it's not too hard to make them not want the job or nit pick something about them.
     



  • How many Americans are truly qualified? I mean, really.
     



  • @newguy said:

    How many Americans are truly qualified? I mean, really.
     

    I am, for one.  (To play the piano, that is, although I work with computers instead.)



  • @newguy said:

    How many Americans are truly qualified? I mean, really.
     

    Many Americans are truly qualified, in the sense that if you're being truthful, you have to use a lot of qualifiers when talking about them.

    ("He's an excellent manager, so long as you don't need any work done after 11am or wear anything green")



  • This is why I prefer to live in Asia - at least out here there is a modicum of honesty in job-ads that western PC attitudes have made unpalatable in the US and Europe. I have seen ads for female workers that specify that candidates "must be less than 25 and very attractive", and many job ads specify age limits - "not over 30".

    I find quite un-disturbing - as far as I am concerned, as an employer, I have the right to specify that all my employees are left handed and wear dance shoes to work. Why would I want this? - that's my business and nobody else's.



  • @zedhex said:

    This is why I prefer to live in Asia - at least out here there is a modicum of honesty in job-ads that western PC attitudes have made unpalatable in the US and Europe. I have seen ads for female workers that specify that candidates "must be less than 25 and very attractive", and many job ads specify age limits - "not over 30".

    Selecting employees based on age was recently made illegal here in the UK.



  • @asuffield said:

    @zedhex said:

    This is why I prefer to live in Asia - at least out here there is a modicum of honesty in job-ads that western PC attitudes have made unpalatable in the US and Europe. I have seen ads for female workers that specify that candidates "must be less than 25 and very attractive", and many job ads specify age limits - "not over 30".

    Selecting employees based on age was recently made illegal here in the UK.

    what if you're running a strip-club? 


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @tster said:

    @asuffield said:
    @zedhex said:

    This is why I prefer to live in Asia - at least out here there is a modicum of honesty in job-ads that western PC attitudes have made unpalatable in the US and Europe. I have seen ads for female workers that specify that candidates "must be less than 25 and very attractive", and many job ads specify age limits - "not over 30".

    Selecting employees based on age was recently made illegal here in the UK.

    what if you're running a strip-club? 

    I suppose it would depend on whether it caters for the sort of clients that are into MILF or GILF....



  • @tster said:

    @asuffield said:
    @zedhex said:

    This is why I prefer to live in Asia - at least out here there is a modicum of honesty in job-ads that western PC attitudes have made unpalatable in the US and Europe. I have seen ads for female workers that specify that candidates "must be less than 25 and very attractive", and many job ads specify age limits - "not over 30".

    Selecting employees based on age was recently made illegal here in the UK.

    what if you're running a strip-club? 


    Well, in the US, the condition is that it is illegal to discriminate against age, sex, marital status, and a few other things, as long as the applicant can reasonably perform the duties required by the job.  I'd imagine it's the same in the U.K.  Hell, those guys are even more practical than we are.

    Sometimes you'll see US job ads that say the applicant must be able to lift 40 pounds overhead.  This is mostly to keep disabled people from applying.



  • @tster said:

    @asuffield said:
    @zedhex said:

    This is why I prefer to live in Asia - at least out here there is a modicum of honesty in job-ads that western PC attitudes have made unpalatable in the US and Europe. I have seen ads for female workers that specify that candidates "must be less than 25 and very attractive", and many job ads specify age limits - "not over 30".

    Selecting employees based on age was recently made illegal here in the UK.

    what if you're running a strip-club? 

    You're allowed to select attractive people. You can't reject an attractive person just because they're over 40. 


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