Python WTF
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@dkf ... no?
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@pie_flavor As with any young language, libraries and adoption, and then there's the idiot fanbois like you, sure, but they're not really the primary issue. Libraries and adoption are more important.
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@Gribnit said in Python WTF:
@pie_flavor As with any young language, libraries and adoption, and then there's the idiot fanbois like you, sure, but they're not really the primary issue. Libraries and adoption are more important.
Feel free to quote me on any idiotic thing I've said about Rust.
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@pie_flavor Did you suggest using it for anything in production - as in, money production? It is fine as a toy for now, or for pretend not-money production.
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@Gribnit said in Python WTF:
@pie_flavor Did you suggest using it for anything in production - as in, money production? It is fine as a toy for now, or for pretend not-money production.
I don't believe I did. But while we're on the subject, what in your opinion about it is not production-ready?
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@pie_flavor @Gribnit said in Python WTF:
@pie_flavor As with any young language, libraries and adoption, and then there's the idiot fanbois like you, sure, but they're not really the primary issue. Libraries and adoption are more important.
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@Gribnit It's got a wealth of libraries, and anything that hasn't been written in pure Rust yet has wrappers to a good C library. And if it doesn't have wrappers to the C library you want, they're pretty trivial to write yourself.
As for adoption, whether someone else uses it is not relevant when deciding whether you want to use it. PHP hasn't been production-ready since its creation, but Wikipedia and Facebook still used it.
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@pie_flavor said in Python WTF:
PHP hasn't been production-ready since its creation
Much as I loathe PHP, it's actually delivering value in production. Who is shipping apps written in Rust, or deploying production services written in it?
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@Gribnit said in Python WTF:
@pie_flavor Did you suggest using it for anything in production - as in, money production? It is fine as a toy for now, or for pretend not-money production.
I know a few companies that make shitloads of money using Rust.
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@dkf said in Python WTF:
@pie_flavor said in Python WTF:
PHP hasn't been production-ready since its creation
Much as I loathe PHP, it's actually delivering value in production. Who is shipping apps written in Rust, or deploying production services written in it?
Mozilla? Kind of obvious, isn't it.
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@topspin said in Python WTF:
Mozilla?
Have they shipped anything with it? I wasn't sure at all about that.
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@dkf Yes, the stuff since Firefox "Quantum" includes (in full or in parts, I'm not sure) Servo, Stylo, and other parts rewritten in rust and with better parallelization.
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@topspin said in Python WTF:
in full or in parts, I'm not sure
In parts. Servo et al. are research projects with no direct links to any of the old codebases, that then have most of the features copied/reimplemented in Firefox.
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@Gąska said in Python WTF:
@topspin said in Python WTF:
in full or in parts, I'm not sure
In parts. Servo et al. are research projects with no direct links to any of the old codebases, that then have most of the features copied/reimplemented in Firefox.
Stylo (the CSS part of Servo) went in fully, though?
I don't remember the details but back when they released Quantum the news articles listed what was already replaced and what would follow soon after. And the tech demo videos of the rust replacements were pretty impressive.
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@loopback0 if we're going to play this pun game, I'd say that used car dealers make more money on rust than everyone else combined.
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@Gąska said in Python WTF:
@loopback0 if we're going to play this pun game, I'd say that used car dealers make more money on rust than everyone else combined.
Don't they make their money on the parts that aren't rust?
My focus, though, would be on the ~70 years of rust that's been storing most of our data.
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@Parody said in Python WTF:
@Gąska said in Python WTF:
@loopback0 if we're going to play this pun game, I'd say that used car dealers make more money on rust than everyone else combined.
Don't they make their money on the parts that aren't rust?
By the time the cars get to Poland, there are no such parts left.
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@Gąska said in Python WTF:
@Gribnit said in Python WTF:
@pie_flavor Did you suggest using it for anything in production - as in, money production? It is fine as a toy for now, or for pretend not-money production.
I know a few companies that make shitloads of money using Rust.
Burning investor dollars or turning a profit? Are their customers burning investor dollars, or turning a profit?
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@loopback0 said in Python WTF:
@Gąska said in Python WTF:
I know a few companies that make shitloads of money using Rust.
So now I really want to inject some of this into a running drive.
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@Gribnit said in Python WTF:
@Gąska said in Python WTF:
@Gribnit said in Python WTF:
@pie_flavor Did you suggest using it for anything in production - as in, money production? It is fine as a toy for now, or for pretend not-money production.
I know a few companies that make shitloads of money using Rust.
Burning investor dollars or turning a profit? Are their customers burning investor dollars, or turning a profit?
I said they make money using Rust, not using stupid investors.