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@BernieTheBernie I propose we ban discussion of Musk news from the news thread, no (objective) good ever comes of it.
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@acrow people want to use python's gluing powers to glue together tensors of various dimensions without necessarily knowing their types in detail. And then they run ML algorithms on the tensor.
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@BernieTheBernie said in In other news today...:
@topspin said in In other news today...:
And now send that un-funny blah blah of @GuyWhoKilledBear and its related crap to its own thread which I can then put into the IGNORE bin.
I am here to enjoy some fun. Not such crap!
Except for the stuff with @remi, none of it's supposed to be funny, dude. @Arantor wanted to have a serious conversation about Elon Musk and workers rights, and I and others obliged.
It doesn't seem like it violates the rules, because if it did, it would have been Jeffed.
On the other hand,
@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@BernieTheBernie I propose we ban discussion of Musk news from the news thread, no (objective) good ever comes of it.
This would probably be a pretty good rule to have if we don't have it already.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in In other news today...:
@BernieTheBernie said in In other news today...:
@topspin said in In other news today...:
And now send that un-funny blah blah of @GuyWhoKilledBear and its related crap to its own thread which I can then put into the IGNORE bin.
I am here to enjoy some fun. Not such crap!
Except for the stuff with @remi, none of it's supposed to be funny, dude. @Arantor wanted to have a serious conversation about Elon Musk and workers rights, and I and others obliged.
It doesn't seem like it violates the rules, because if it did, it would have been Jeffed.
On the other hand,
@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@BernieTheBernie I propose we ban discussion of Musk news from the news thread, no (objective) good ever comes of it.
This would probably be a pretty good rule to have if we don't have it already.
It's not really belonging in this thread, which had been pointed out a handful of times. and all that as far as jeffing goes. I have not replied to the discussion because it is so obviously not in the right place.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear I didn’t want to have a “serious conversation”, I threw in a sidelong observation that was to my mind a) relevant but also b) not especially controversial and it blew up. Again. All my fault…
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@GuyWhoKilledBear I didn’t want to have a “serious conversation”, I threw in a sidelong observation that was to my mind a) relevant but also b) not especially controversial and it blew up. Again. All my fault…
Based on how I understand the rules, I didn't think any of your posts were out of line. (This goes for literally everyone else, too.)
But if we're both wrong about what the rules actually are, maybe the "no Musk" rule you're talking about would do the News Thread some good.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
Even with their clarification that you're not expected to follow "The Code", I'm not sure if they actually think that's a code you should try to
livedevelop byI can't be sure, of course, but it's not unlikely that this is the code that D. Richard Hipp follows for himself and it all was just a giant misunderstanding on his part. SQLite makes a big point about being developed cathedral-style, with rare outside contributions being rewritten from scratch, so the code (he thought) was really just for him and a few colleagues.
Interesting how going from forum rules to code of conduct changes the attitude towards the object in question. It must be in the connotations.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear they aren't out of line, IMO, just out of place and we're pissing off everyone else. I just kept replying because I assumed it would be jeffed anyway and "reply as topic" splitting it off myself would end up creating forks.
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@Carnage said in In other news today...:
I have not replied to the discussion because it is so obviously not in the right place.
Having threads derail for a bit and then eventually re-rail is like a grand tradition around here. Besides, the discussion remained relatively civilized for the most part, so it was a somewhat interesting read.
@Gribnit-god has my vote.
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@cvi said in In other news today...:
They're probably not considering it evil (and if they do, they will have arguments why it's necessary). Just insisting that they're wrong and that they're evil won't get anybody anywhere.
You'll have to be more specific on whether "they" means the Chinese people or the CCP specifically. Some time ago all the dissenters were sent to labor camps to built tat for western markets. But after a while they ran out of real dissenters, so people were being sent to the camps for... lesser infractions. And pretty much all of the general population agrees (privately) that this is pure greed, and thus evil.
(See e.g. this.)The Uyghurs are mostly used as labor for making solar panels. This may be slightly less evil, since the CCP is not abusing their own people. But I haven't heard arguments from the Chinese gen-pop that it's a good thing either. Anyone familiar with the subject (news in China deny that there are any camps, dissenters, or any people called "Uyghurs" in the country) will probably agree that it's just an extension of the same greed that put the Chinese themselves to camps in such numbers. And greed is considered an evil, in common Chinese culture.
Just straightening this one point. Carry on.
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
moving Macbooks to USB-C was unpopular as people needed to buy more dongles
Moving to less physical ports on the device is bound to be unpopular. For a good reason. Lenovo's Lightning "dock" box came with 2 USB-A ports, so I had to get 2 USB hubs to get all the crap attached that I need for developing software. Previously I was OK with just the 6 ports of the normal dock.
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@Captain Well, that clarifies the problem for me. In more than one way. But it doesn't change my point. Python is magic-glue-able at the cost of speed. It's a trade-off. And makes sense for a scripting language. Using it for ML means wasting CPU time.
But I guess it's a trade-off made by people with more CPU-hours available than they have man-hours. If they had the man-hours, writing software tools more specific to their needs is always an option.
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@aitap said in In other news today...:
I can't be sure, of course, but it's not unlikely that this is the code that D. Richard Hipp follows for himself and it all was just a giant misunderstanding on his part. SQLite makes a big point about being developed cathedral-style, with rare outside contributions being rewritten from scratch, so the code (he thought) was really just for him and a few colleagues.
FWIW, I have read the SQLite source and wouldn't want to contribute. It uses a style that I don't care for too much; my C is rather more verbose and less visually dense.
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@dkf said in In other news today...:
@aitap said in In other news today...:
I can't be sure, of course, but it's not unlikely that this is the code that D. Richard Hipp follows for himself and it all was just a giant misunderstanding on his part. SQLite makes a big point about being developed cathedral-style, with rare outside contributions being rewritten from scratch, so the code (he thought) was really just for him and a few colleagues.
FWIW, I have read the SQLite source and wouldn't want to contribute. It uses a style that I don't care for too much; my C is rather more verbose and less visually dense.
Bolding mine. I have a pet theory that one of the primary reasons for Java and C# uptake is the verbosity of the languages. It's what makes them easier to write and debug. I can't comment too much on c# but I suspect the scalaification of Java will drive a stake through it's popularity.
It's one of the reasons I hate corporate or design pattern littered code. To understand a line of code usually requires understanding an entire inheritance hierarchy in a vain attempt to reduce the lines of code.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
splitting it off myself would end up creating forks.
Whereas, clearly, what some people here need is more spoons, not forks.
Filed under: the Bad Puns thread is
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@remi what if you have 10,000 spoons but all you need is a knife?
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@Arantor if they're made of steel, that would be rather ironic?
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@remi what if you have 10,000 spoons but all you need is a knife?
In that case someone is sure to come around to tell you: bUt ThAt’S nOt IrOnIc.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@remi what if you have 10,000 spoons but all you need is a knife?
In that case someone is sure to come around to tell you: bUt ThAt’S nOt IrOnIc.
But steel is made of iron. It is ironic!
I was waiting to see who would make the joke, though.
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Question.
We had news about some large forest fires earlier. And we also had news about zombie deer (Chronic Wasting Disease).Now, Wikipedia says about the CWD:
How the prions that cause CWD spread is unknown, but recent research indicates that prions can be excreted by deer and elk, and are transmitted by eating grass growing in contaminated soil.
Do prions get destroyed in forest fires? Is the fire hot enough for that?
Because I'm wondering if the recent increase in zombie deer is caused by insufficient fires in forests. A large blaze wouldn't just destroy the prions from the grass, but also kill any deer not sufficiently alert and healthy to run away.
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@acrow said in In other news today...:
Do prions get destroyed in forest fires? Is the fire hot enough for that?
I am not sure, Prions are extremely resistant to normal decontamination methods but I would think that a forest fire could get hot enough to destroy them.
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
no (objective) good ever comes of it.
True for anything. Ban it all!
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@Dragoon said in In other news today...:
I am not sure, Prions are extremely resistant to normal decontamination methods but I would think that a forest fire could get hot enough to destroy them.
I was reading earlier today about this, and apparently 135C is hot enough to denature them. Fires get much hotter than that, so provided things actually burn, they (or rather the ashes) should be safe. However, various bits of the interior of a deer carcass would be unlikely to get that hot in a normal fire, so they would likely remain hazardous (relevant because prion diseases aren't surface contaminations).
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@acrow said in In other news today...:
@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
moving Macbooks to USB-C was unpopular as people needed to buy more dongles
Moving to less physical ports on the device is bound to be unpopular.
Oh right the Macbook only had one USB-C port. I forgot about that.
The Macbook Pro had 4 USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 ports.
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
Oh right the Macbook only had one USB-C port. I forgot about that.
(Looks) My Air has 2 - one is for the power cord.
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@dcon said in In other news today...:
@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
Oh right the Macbook only had one USB-C port. I forgot about that.
(Looks) My Air has 2 - one is for the power cord.
The other one is for this bullshit:
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@topspin you got a dongle for your dongle?
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
In other news, Apple will have to start using USB-C on their shit before the end of 2024.
⊞ There will be a common standard.
⊟ They picked a shitty one (I've seen more bad C sockets than A and mini/micro combined).
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@dkf said in In other news today...:
interior of a deer carcass
Fortunately, deer are not cannibalistic.
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@dkf said in In other news today...:
FWIW, I have read the SQLite source and wouldn't want to contribute.
The one time I wanted to contribute to Fossil, it was one of the first highlights of the Era of COVID, luxuries like air mail weren't readily available, and my CLA got stuck for a few months waiting for a mail flight. Good times.
The style does feel rather dense to me, too, both visually and in terms of information. (Tab stops at two spaces? That's a lot of indentation levels to cram in one line.) Feels like it might take me 100% of my smarts to write code like this, which doesn't leave any spare smarts for debugging.
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@Bulb except, of course, in the UK where we decided that for Freedom! we’re not going to enforce this.
Apple will likely move over to USB-C anyway because of the other 400 million potential customers in the EU market but apparently we’ll let them keep their Lightningsocket.
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@Bulb except, of course, in the UK where we decided that for Freedom! we’re not going to enforce this.
That's basically a sensible approach, would just waste legislative time.
It's going to happen universally everywhere, or not at all, so one such regulation is enough.
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@Bulb said in In other news today...:
@Arantor said in In other news today...:
In other news, Apple will have to start using USB-C on their shit before the end of 2024.
⊞ There will be a common standard.
⊟ They picked a shitty one (I've seen more bad C sockets than A and mini/micro combined).I'm going to get roasted for this, but IMO lightning is still the far better plug / socket mechanically. Sure, its technical capabilities are a decade behind USB-C (just because they had a non-shitty plug a decade earlier) and at least USB-C is finally symmetric, but it still seems much more fragile. The lightning socket can collect a bit of lint when being in your pocket for 5 years (I assume the same happens for USB-C though), but other than that it's indestructible.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@Bulb except, of course, in the UK where we decided that for Freedom! we’re not going to enforce this.
That's basically a sensible approach, would just waste legislative time.
It's going to happen universally everywhere, or not at all, so one such regulation is enough.
You assume we’re not doing it for sensibility reasons, we’re totally not. It’s in the bucket of “we’re not doing it because you are and we’re totally not following your rules any more nyaaah” because a group of screaming 5 year olds would make a more reasonable government than our shower of shit.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
The lightning socket can collect a bit of lint when being in your pocket for 5 years (I assume the same happens for USB-C though), but other than that it's indestructible.
Unless you count the plugs burning out a pin on a regular basis. My wife needs a new charging cable for her iPhone every 2 months. One of the pins on the cables just turns black and then it stops charging.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@Bulb except, of course, in the UK where we decided that for Freedom! we’re not going to enforce this.
That's basically a sensible approach, would just waste legislative time.
Yeah. Once it's forced in the EU then no-one's going to make special UK specific devices with other connectors just because they can. It'll be USB-C because that's what they're already making.
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@acrow said in In other news today...:
@topspin said in In other news today...:
The lightning socket can collect a bit of lint when being in your pocket for 5 years (I assume the same happens for USB-C though), but other than that it's indestructible.
Unless you count the plugs burning out a pin on a regular basis. My wife needs a new charging cable for her iPhone every 2 months. One of the pins on the cables just turns black and then it stops charging.
I have charging cables going back to 2015, and the only problem is the cable itself breaking at some point.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@acrow said in In other news today...:
@topspin said in In other news today...:
The lightning socket can collect a bit of lint when being in your pocket for 5 years (I assume the same happens for USB-C though), but other than that it's indestructible.
Unless you count the plugs burning out a pin on a regular basis. My wife needs a new charging cable for her iPhone every 2 months. One of the pins on the cables just turns black and then it stops charging.
I have charging cables going back to 2015, and the only problem is the cable itself breaking at some point.
I have some older Lightning cables but the two I use most often have been replaced with braided cables made by Anker. Partly because they're better made than the Apple cables but also because they're longer.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
The lightning socket can collect a bit of lint when being in your pocket for 5 years (I assume the same happens for USB-C though),
Oh, yes. After a couple of years I thought my phone's C port was dying because it was almost impossible to charge it. I clean it out every few months now and life is a lot less stressful.
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
“we’re not doing it because you are and we’re totally not following your rules any more nyaaah”
To really get that message across, someone should petition the UK government to mandate a different charging connector
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@ixvedeusi said in In other news today...:
petition the UK government to mandate a different charging connector
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in In other news today...:
@ixvedeusi said in In other news today...:
petition the UK government to mandate a different charging connector
If the UK government mandated a charging connector it'd probably be 9-pin serial.
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
If the UK government mandated a charging connector it'd probably be 9-pin serial.
With baud rate * 0.5682
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@loopback0 Rookie numbers, better use 68 pin SCSI.
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@loopback0 nah it’ll be something obscure like 23-pin (not 25-pink D connectors like the old Amiga had for its monitor because some mate of whoever is in charge of it has a job lot of them to sell and what better way to help yourself than to help a mate make bank from artificially inflating demand and hamstringing supply?
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
(not 25-pink D connectors like the old Amiga had
A connector that had to be made in 25 shades of the same colour would be silly.
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@topspin Or we could just use C13 like normal, logical people. It's standardized (IEC 60320), and has been in use for decades without issue.
It's a charging cable, for crying out loud. How hard can this be?
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@loopback0 I meant to type “not 25-pin” with () but somehow ended up autocorrecting. But yes.