SourceForge takes over SF accounts; releases gold-laced installers of questioned monetary value
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That totally looks like it could have come from the same engine. Note to self: make a program that is visually identical to Dwarf Fortress using the Source engine.
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Nah, I mean the reboot and its shitty sequel.
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Yeah, I mentioned that. For my coworker, a full-featured application would work better.
At the risk of being Hanzo'd in this long thread, ever try coreftp.com?
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Unless you meant Sands of Time or one of its shitty sequels.
Sands of Time trilogy is good. Especially Warrior Within, that was awesome from the gameplay perspective. Too bad they kinda messed up the aesthetics in that one. It looks fine, but it doesn't feel like PoP as much.
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Ah, the best Prince of Persia game I ever played.
No, I never did touch the reboot.
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The reboot felt like Assassin's Creed I without the seemingly superpowered hero.
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You know I actually OWN that game and totally forgot it existed, because it's such a piece of shit.
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Sands of Time trilogy is good.
The first third of it is.
Especially Warrior Within, that was awesome from the gameplay perspective.
Uh... no.
Too bad they kinda messed up the aesthetics in that one.
They kind of messed up the everything. It was a shitty game. They put Godsmack on the soundtrack. QE-fucking-D.
Prince of Persia, featuring Godsmack. Christ. If you paid $80 for the collector's edition, it came with a free pistol and one bullet. You know what to do with it.
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It sucked, because it featured songs from an artist you don't like?
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No, it sucked because it sucked.
Godsmack was like pouring salt onto the open wound.
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Oh, I get it. Gold is expensive because it's expensive, and WW sucks because it sucks - a pure sociological phenomenon without rational explanation.
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Do you really want/need someone to go through all the ways Warrior Within sucked? Because there's a lot of them.
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Gold is expensive because it's rare
Not very rational.Do you really want/need someone to go through all the ways Warrior Within sucked? Because there's a lot of them.
Oh yes, sure! Just remember to ring the bell after every little thing!
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@RaceProUK said:
Gold is expensive because it's rare
Not very rational.
Please, explain how something being expensive because it's rare is irrational.
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That turd I laid in the toilet is rare, one-of-a-kind even, but it's not valuable at all. In fact I have to pay a city utility to take it away.
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True, it has to have rarity and desirability; doesn't mean the rarity side is irrational
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Please, explain how something being expensive because it's rare is irrational.
What benefit do you have in having rare items?it has to have rarity and desirability
Now, explain where desirability of gold comes from, except its rareness. Note that prettiness is irrational.
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What benefit do you have in having rare items?
They're worth more money. Economics 101, for Chaos' sake.
@Gaska said:Now, explain where desirability of gold comes from, except its rareness. Note that prettiness is irrational.
The fact that its prettiness can be exploited to find a mate and breed, therefore ensuring the continuation of your genes and the species as a whole? Yes, I can see how that's irrational.
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The fact that its prettiness can be exploited to find a mate and breed, therefore ensuring the continuation of your genes and the species as a whole?
Whut?
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They're worth more money. Economics 101, for Chaos' sake.
They're expensive because they're rare, and you want rare things because they're expensive. Yeah, totally rational.The fact that its prettiness can be exploited to find a mate and breed, therefore ensuring the continuation of your genes and the species as a whole?
Using prettiness to your advantage is rational, but prettiness in itself is very subjective and indefinable - therefore, irrational.
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They're expensive because they're rare
Yes
@Gaska said:and you want rare things because they're expensive
Yes
@Gaska said:totally rational
Exactly
@Gaska said:prettiness in itself is very subjective and indefinable
Purity of form is measurable. Lustre is measureable. In fact, a lot of properties that contribute to prettiness are measurable. And as they're measureable, they're comparable. And if they're comparable, you can rationalise them.
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Purity of form is measurable.
By what scale?Lustre is measureable.
Lustre isn't required for being pretty, nor it always increases prettiness.In fact, a lot of properties that contribute to prettiness are measurable.
But the contribution factor isn't.
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@RaceProUK said:
Purity of form is measurable.
By what scale?
You are aware of how to measure shapes, right?
@Gaska said:Lustre isn't required for being pretty, nor it always increases prettiness.
Which doesn't contradict anything I said.
@Gaska said:But the contribution factor isn't.
…OK, you're gonna have to explain what you're on about there.
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Is that a pair of pokemon playing a card game against each other?
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You are aware of how to measure shapes, right?
Yes, but what is pure and what is not? Is a rectangle less pure than triangle?…OK, you're gonna have to explain what you're on about there.
I'm saying that people are often being irrational, and you can't explain some things otherwise than "it's just how it works". Pretty is pretty because it's pretty. Also, not all people find the same things pretty. So while having gold is rational because it has value, the gold having value is in itself irrational.
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gold having value is in itself irrational
How? It's a resource, and resources have value.
@Gaska said:Is a rectangle less pure than triangle?
If I was to answer this question to the same level of sense as the question itself, I'd have to say 'aardvark'.
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How? It's a resource, and resources have value.
Point taken. But gold having that much value is irrational.If I was to answer this question to the same level of sense as the question itself, I'd have to say 'aardvark'.
My question has as much sense as your idea of measuring shapes.
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@RaceProUK said:
How? It's a resource, and resources have value.
Point taken. But gold having that much value is irrational.
Seriously, how is something having value related to its rarity irrational?
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Crude oil is expensive not just because it's rare, but also because it's very useful. Same with uranium, highly fertile soil, etc. Gold is expensive because it's rare, period. Rarity has no use for a human being.
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So all those gold coins, gold tooth fillings, gold goblets, things like that, they were all worthless and without practical use then?
@Gaska said:Crude oil is expensive not just because it's rare
75 million barrels a day is rare? Even at a conservative barrel size of 100l, that's 7.5 billion litres a day!
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So all those gold coins, gold tooth fillings, gold goblets, things like that, they were all worthless and without practical use then?
Okay, gold tooth is legitimate use case - but I doubt it's the reason for its price. Goblets etc. could be made with any material. Gold coins are useless except as a convenient way to carry gold.75 million barrels a day is rare?
Don't blame me for every teacher in national school, every journalist in national TV and national press, every scientist on national treasury's payroll, and every businessman who's in petrol industry lying to me my whole life.
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Goblets etc. could be made with any material.
True, but gold's malleability makes it a lot easier to work with. Combined with the fact it doesn't corrode, and you have a very useful material for making that sort of thing out of.
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Gold is worth money because it's useful. Not because it's rare or pretty or anything. We don't put gold conductors inside electronics because we think it looks nice.
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And aliens were good at eletronics, so no wonder they chose it as the payment to Egyptians for all those pyramids.
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I didn't say the reason gold was valuable was always the same.
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True, but gold's malleability makes it a lot easier to work with. Combined with the fact it doesn't corrode, and you have a very useful material for making that sort of thing out of.
Still doesn't explain its absurd price.
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Even optimistic estimates about the total amount of gold mined in human history put the figure at a cube ~25m on each side; you'd need three times that amount to build just the Washington Monument. Now that you have an idea of just how rare gold is, maybe you can now begin to understand why it's so expensive.
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Well, I can't argue with a monkey with a bucket and flashlights on robotic arms on its head.
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humans are irrational creatures. we like shin things. :-)
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Even optimistic estimates about the total amount of gold mined in human history put the figure at a cube ~25m on each side; you'd need three times that amount to build just the Washington Monument. Now that you have an idea of just how rare gold is, maybe you can now begin to understand why it's so expensive.
All you have proved is that its usefulness for crafting is all offset by the fact it's so damn rare.I'm still waiting for a rational explanation why rarity of something is worth paying extra. A general case explanation, where "something" can be anything, preferably comparable in quality and usefulness with something more common - without any concrete examples, just a general proof.
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I'm still waiting for a rational explanation why rarity of something is worth paying extra.
Then I suggest you re-read the thread; plenty of justification has already been given.
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Did we just have a flamewar about whether gold is worth... uh... anything? or something?
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humans are irrational creatures. we like shin things.
So we're back to its prettiness being irrational. Which it is.
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i, for one, never claimed that it wasn't.
but when one person wants something another person can profit from providing that something.
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Then I suggest you re-read the thread; plenty of justification has already been given.
Okay, re-reading then:
True, it has to have rarity and desirability; doesn't mean the rarity side is irrational
Here, you said rarity by itself is meaningless without desirability.They're worth more money. Economics 101, for Chaos' sake.
Here, you explained that desirability of gold comes from it's price - and since price of gold comes from it's desirability, we have a circular argument.The fact that its prettiness can be exploited to find a mate and breed, therefore ensuring the continuation of your genes and the species as a whole?
You're trying to justify gold's desirability with prettiness, which I consider irrational (and you haven't proven otherwise).Purity of form is measurable.
You've brought into the argument an undefined and ungooglable term.Lustre is measureable. In fact, a lot of properties that contribute to prettiness are measurable. And as they're measureable, they're comparable. And if they're comparable, you can rationalise them.
At first glance, it looks like a sound argument - until the reader realizes you haven't said how exactly lustre and "a lot of properties" correlate with prettiness.How? It's a resource, and resources have value.
Nothing regarding Rarity.So all those gold coins, gold tooth fillings, gold goblets, things like that, they were all worthless and without practical use then?
Nothing regarding Rarity.75 million barrels a day is rare? Even at a conservative barrel size of 100l, that's 7.5 billion litres a day!
You just proved something doesn't have to be rare to be extremely desirable.True, but gold's malleability makes it a lot easier to work with. Combined with the fact it doesn't corrode, and you have a very useful material for making that sort of thing out of.
Nothing regarding Rarity.Gold is worth money because it's useful. Not because it's rare or pretty or anything. We don't put gold conductors inside electronics because we think it looks nice.
Nothing regarding Rarity.Even optimistic estimates about the total amount of gold mined in human history put the figure at a cube ~25m on each side; you'd need three times that amount to build just the Washington Monument. Now that you have an idea of just how rare gold is, maybe you can now begin to understand why it's so expensive.
Okay. I know it's really, really, really, REALLYYYYY rare. And that's it - you still haven't shown how rarity influences desirability in any rational way.So where is your justification? Did I skip some hidden posts or something?
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Did I skip some hidden posts or something?
No, just the ones that said gold is useful for various things.
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