🎂The cupcake thread of celebrations.
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Node.js, Java, Groovy, Python, C#, or remain with Coldfusion.
Node won by a landslide. Python was next, then Java.
Wow. Javascript hipsters...
Although I do want to see the look on someone's face when they see 'oh hey, this guy's written a servlet, no big deal right?' *they open the file* "OMG WHAT IS THIS SEA OF PARENTHESES?!?!? RUNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!" because I wrote it in Clojure.
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Node won by a landslide.
The only problem with node is that it is in its “noo'n'kewl” stage before the first real round of disappointment hits. As people figure out that it's just yet another programming environment and has some annoying restrictions in there that are hard to fix (e.g., reality bites) then it's going to drop in popularity fast and all the developers will be in a hurry to drop it.
Most of the other choices have the benefit of being at least one phase further ahead on the hypecycle. Java ain't sexy, but it does what it does and it has some competent libraries/frameworks available.
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Yeah. We hire Coldfusion people and Javascript people. Somehow, we've ended up with a majority of Javascript people after some recent reorgs and departures. It's not surprising in the least, but it's disheartening.
We're still in the "Why should I write testable code? Just don't test it, problem solved." phase of maturity around here.
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The only problem with node is that it is in its “noo'n'kewl” stage before the first real round of disappointment hits. As people figure out that it's just yet another programming environment and has some annoying restrictions in there that are hard to fix (e.g., reality bites) then it's going to drop in popularity fast and all the developers will be in a hurry to drop it.
Yeah. 'Tis the reason I don't follow the hypecycle at all.
@dkf said:Most of the other choices have the benefit of being at least one phase further ahead on the hypecycle. Java ain't sexy, but it does what it does and it has some competent libraries/frameworks available.
That's why I like Clojure: beats the pants off Java at being slick, while still having all the access to libraries, deployability, etal that comes with being a JVM language.
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There was initial like for Groovy because "We could hire Java developers" and "It adds all kinds of cool Javascripty stuff" and "It doesn't have all that Java boilerplate".
F that.
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Node.js, Java, Groovy, Python, C#, or remain with Coldfusion.
Node won by a landslide. Python was next, then Java.
How could Java possibly beat C#, or for that matter, Fortran?
I'm celebrating having no idea what @ben_lubar is talking about.
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Node.js, Java, Groovy, Python, C#, or remain with Coldfusion.
Node won by a landslide. Python was next, then Java.
Jesus. Both Java and C# are way better than Python. Hell, Ruby is way better than Python for web server stuffs and apparently it wasn't even an option.
As for Node.js, your company is going to learn about the gap between "hype" and "practicality" very quickly.
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How could Java possibly beat C#
There's a strong aversion around here to becoming a Microsoft shop because the quality of local .NET developers is sub-par. The saying goes that having .NET on your resume is meaningless but having nothing but .NET means everything; we see a lot of Visual Studio kiddies who can't write a line of code without intellisense prompting them.
Presumably the Java developers in the area are more seasoned.
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Ruby [...] wasn't even an option.
Ruby was ruled out before now because someone higher-up dislikes it and not many devs disagree. Everyone seems to like Python for whatever reason.
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I could see that, and building web server-ish stuff is actually one thing Java isn't terrible at. Surprisingly.
The IDEs all stink, but they're worlds better than Python IDEs.
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Jesus. Both Java and C# are way better than Python. Hell, Ruby is way better than Python for web server stuffs and apparently it wasn't even an option.
As for Node.js, your company is going to learn about the gap between "hype" and "practicality" very quickly.
C# is, Java is only good for keeping Nagesh occupied. We all know your aversion to Python...
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There's a strong aversion around here to becoming a Microsoft shop because the quality of local .NET developers is sub-par. The saying goes that having .NET on your resume is meaningless but having nothing but .NET means everything; we see a lot of Visual Studio kiddies who can't write a line of code without intellisense prompting them.
Presumably the Java developers in the area are more seasoned.
So what does it mean if I write a ton of code in VS and PyCharm?
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Presumably the Java developers in the area are more seasoned.
More salt and pepper?
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I am celebrating the fact that we're finally firing that useful as a pair of snowshoes in the middle of the tropical ocean contractor.
seriously, i'm overworked and i'd still have gotten this crap done by now.
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(paging @algorythmics to help me come up with a better analogy)
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he was about as useful as the homeopathic anti-retroviral stall at the annual hampstead heath HIV positive anal endurance challenge?
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Thanks! That's the kind of analogy i was looking for. I knew I could count on you. Want a cookie?
/me has tripple chocolate chip with caramel cookies
The contracting company was about as useful as the homeopathic anti-retroviral stall at the annual hampstead heath HIV positive anal endurance challenge?
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something about snow [...] tropical ocean
Er... coconut cupcakes?
http://finedininglovers.cdn.crosscast-system.com/BlogPost/l_1581_chocolate-coconut-cupcake-CUT1.jpg
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you couldn't find any HIV positive cupcakes? or any anal endurance cupcakes?
for shame!
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only one...
what about anal endurance? surely there must be a wealth of cupcakes celebrating achievements in that field.
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Seasoning salt instead of sea salt or table salt.
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I was attacked by a weremoose today and it only killed some farm animals.
I'm celebrating because that means I get to exchange this Dwarf Fortress screenshot for a cupcake.
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Are you angling for a pedantic dickweed badge?
No, he's angling for a pendantic dickweed badge.
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I'm celebrating you shooting him down.
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Has anyone made a "node is cancer" reference yet, Yami?
Beyond Ted Dziuba on The Register a while ago?
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Dammit, you quoted me before I edited her name to @ it.
Beyond Ted Dziuba on The Register a while ago?I meant, did anyone at her work quote his article.
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I meant, did anyone at her work quote his article.
I'd like to know too. I thought his article was full of bull, because every argument he makes about Node's failings applies to stuff like PHP and to pretty much any language that's not as low down as C++, from what I remember of it...
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Since I don't know Node I'm working second- or third-hand, but the arguments seemed reasonableish to me, bluster aside.
Kind of like how you don't[1] use Office Automation on a server.
[1] pedantry alert.
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This afternoon I was celebrating my boss at least saying he was going to tell certain other people they would have to do work that they are theoretically capable of doing instead of leaving me the only person in the office to handle it, because I have too much "more important" work to do.
That's a WTF in and of itself. Of the four people that applies to, the one most willing is the one least able to due to limited availability due to a long-term illness, the of the next two most-willing people, one probably isn't smart enough to do it, and the least-most-willing is probably capable, but feels that things that "might need to involve a technical person if there's a problem" should just be done by a technical person to begin with, instead of being taken over by if, ahem, needs must.
Yeah, that's more or less an actual argument. She claims she doesn't want to wind up like that picture of the 8 union guys pretending to work on a construction project where only one is actually working. Of course, she takes two days to "prepare" for a training course (to be somewhat fair, these training courses typically last 2-3 days) even though it's probably her primary or secondary function, and she does it all year round. Her actual job title is "trainer." (I just learned today how much prep time she "requires." That cracked me up, because the thing I'm trying to get other people to do is install our damn software, which isn't actually very complex per se but somehow all our customer--including the IT people--seem to be incapable of doing it on their own.)
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Celebrating that almost all of the Perl is gone!
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i'm celebrating because we're trading pictures of text for cupcakes
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celebrating that while cycling back from the shops at lunch - when I was called a bastard by the pedestrian on the shared cycle/footpath I was on - I holla'd back.
I'm a holla back girl, when I dont have 7 different shades of cock in my mouth.
oh also I have a penis, and I don't identify as female. but other than that.
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i'm celebrating because @algorythmics successfully broke through my mental barriers and put one of the weirder mental images into my head that have been there... where's i put the brain bleach?
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you can pour it down my sphincter and we can have a ping-pong show but with brain bleach instead of ping-pong balls.
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no, see i was ready for it that time. but thank's for trying. :-D
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Someone's in for a good evening?
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I'm celebrating you shooting him down.
So violent! Let's exchange that gunpowder for gunpowder green tea and make cupcakes instead:
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which isn't actually very complex per se
Unlike the flavor palette in these choclate lavender cupcakes:
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almost all of the Perl is gone!
Pearls on cupcakes can be pretty though:
http://data1.whicdn.com/images/1653424/tumblr_kws3yiNc001qazy9bo1_400_large.jpg
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i'm celebrating because we're trading pictures of text for cupcakes
Have a nice meta cupcake:
http://cdn.instructables.com/F7Y/IE9L/GOV8F0MY/F7YIE9LGOV8F0MY.MEDIUM.jpg
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I'm a holla back girl
Have a Cosmo cupcake to celebrate becoming a strong, confident womyn:
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where's i put the brain bleach?
Have some Bleach cupcakes while I try to figure out why my search for bleach cupcakes brought up so many Naruto cupcakes:
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This thread is totally the best part of my morning :)
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Has anyone made a "node is cancer" reference yet, Yami?
That article seems to have vanished, all I can find are responses. Has it been archived or rehosted someplace?
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you know i'm still wondering why naruto is more popular than Bleach.
Bleach is clearly superior.