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  • Mein Luftkissenfahrzeug ist voller aale



  • @boomzilla said:

    Ale tastes / smells....um...musty?

    Huh? Current ales are usually hoppy to the point of ridiculousness.

    @fubar said:

    Mein Luftkissenfahrzeug ist voller aale

    How does he smell?


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    @Maciejasjmj said:

    Huh? Current ales are usually hoppy to the point of ridiculousness.

    It's not as bad in the UK, where ales aren't a fad in the first place, but rather just the dominant way of making beer. There are some hoppy ones sure (IPAs are supposed to be very hoppy, as part of making them keep better) but there's lots of others too. Most of the best are by small/micro-breweries though, so export quantities are limited (and scaling up brewing is non-trivial, I'm told…)



  • Well, there are some milder ones here too, but it's not easy to find an honest ale without IBU over 9000. Doesn't bother me too much, as I like hops in my beer, Certainly better than laundry water with some malt people call "lager" here... or laundry water with some malt and ethanol people call "strong lager".

    A lot of small breweries have scaled up country-wide here in the lat few years. They're still mostly selling in specialist shops, and for a hefty price, though.

    By the way, how much beer can I take with myself from UK? If my boss's sabotage plan of pushing an intern with three-month experience to the UK as a consultant for another company works out, I might be able to try out those legendary microbrews.



  • w00tstout 2.0

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    @Maciejasjmj said:

    but it's not easy to find an honest ale without IBU over 9000.

    <wbr>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_measurement

    @Pikiweedia said:

    The technical limit for IBU's is around 100; some have tried to surpass this number, but there is no real gauge after 100 IBUs when it comes to taste threshold.



  • @PJH said:

    The technical limit for IBU's is around 100; some have tried to surpass this number, but there is no real gauge after 100 IBUs when it comes to taste threshold.

    After 100, it becomes a "west coast IPA"


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Maciejasjmj said:

    By the way, how much beer can I take with myself from UK?

    I'd rather think that the answer to this question is more a function of your home-country's import limits rather than the UK's export limits..



  • /me is a fan of http://www.staustellbrewery.co.uk/beers-and-brewing/bottles-and-cans/proper-job after trying it for the first time today

    /me hopes this will avoid a sueball by providing attribution



  • hops are disgusting


  • @chubertdev said:

    <img src="http://www.marriedtothesea.com/101813/the-better-ipa.gif" alt="hops are disgusting" />

    Someone's a beer snob?

    Me, I like IPA, I like draft, I like bitter, I'll even drink fizzy piss lager on occasion.



  • I just think that any hoppy beers are disgusting. I'll drink pale ales (Green Flash 30th Street is good), but I can't do IPAs because........well, I have taste buds.



  • Ah so you won't drink a specific subset, India Pale Ales, as opposed to pale ales in general. This seems reasonable. IPA as a specific subset was originally brewed with certain requirements in mind that tend to fuck with the taste if you're not extremely careful and most IPAs as a result are relatively acquired tastes rather than being palatable from the off.



  • The problem is that west coast brewing is nothing but hops. San Diego, specifically, has the hoppiest beer in the country.

    I'd rather have IPAs like Bell's Two Hearted Ale, from Michigan.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @chubertdev said:

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    ITYM title, not alt there...

    <img src="http://what.thedailywtf.com/uploads/default/_optimized/116/8e4/6356b959d4_412x500.gif" title="tooltip text" alt="when the pic isn't visible">

    when the pic isn't visible


  • Whoever thinks they're in charge of that standard can go take a long walk off a short pier. THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE INTERNETS, PEOPLE.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Maciejasjmj said:

    By the way, how much beer can I take with myself from UK?

    To Poland? Bring/hire a van.



  • @chubertdev said:

    The problem is that west coast brewing is nothing but hops. San Diego, specifically, has the hoppiest beer in the country.

    I'd rather have IPAs like Bell's Two Hearted Ale, from Michigan.

    Yes, that's something I feel sad about. Just as most Americans have no idea how awesome tea is because it's so hard to get a decent cup of it anywhere, my experience of American beer is about the same.

    My love of beer grew in college, considering that one could walk out the side gate to the college, over the railway bridge and barely 50 yards down the lane to the local brewery itself.



  • @Arantor said:

    Yes, that's something I feel sad about. Just as most Americans have no idea how awesome tea is because it's so hard to get a decent cup of it anywhere, my experience of American beer is about the same.

    My love of beer grew in college, considering that one could walk out the side gate to the college, over the railway bridge and barely 50 yards down the lane to the local brewery itself.

    Fortunately, we have over 70 breweries in San Diego County alone, so there is plenty of variety. Green Flash's Double Stout is goooooood. Not to mention what I posted above. It's just that everyone here is in love with hops, and it's horrible.



  • Yes, scaling up a brewery is highly non-trivial. Because of the nature of the process, recipes don't scale (unless they're trivially bland). For example, every sparging process is different. You can't just double the size of the lauter tun and double the amount of water that flows through it. If it goes through the tun too slowly, it will pick up different sugars than if it goes quickly. Etc.



  • @PJH said:

    The technical limit for IBU's is around 100; some have tried to surpass this number, but there is no real gauge after 100 IBUs when it comes to taste threshold.

    Seems like some people are still aiming for that badge...

    @Arantor said:

    Just as most Americans have no idea how awesome tea is because it's so hard to get a decent cup of it anywhere, my experience of American beer is about the same.

    Tea is coffee for wussies.



  • @Arantor said:

    Just as most Americans have no idea how awesome tea is because it's so hard to get a decent cup of it anywhere

    One problem, maybe the biggest problem, is our litigious society. What do lawsuits have to do with the quality of tea? I'll tell you.

    Brewing tea properly requires boiling water. Because of the fear that some clumsy oaf will spill it on itself then sue the restaurant, no restaurant will serve even a decently hot cup of coffee, much boiling water. The only way to make a good cup of tea is to boil the water yourself, which pretty much limits its availability to private homes or using the microwave at work to boil some water (because the water from the coffee maker isn't hot enough, either). Oh, and bring your own tea, because if they have it at all, it's probably Lipton; yech.

    Filed under: Chrome thinks "yech" should be "yeti."


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    @Maciejasjmj said:

    Seems like some people are still aiming for that badge...

    Oh come on - pointing out an order of magnitude error is hardly pedantry...



  • @HardwareGeek said:

    One problem, maybe the biggest problem, is our litigious society. What do lawsuits have to do with the quality of tea? I'll tell you.

    Brewing tea properly requires boiling water. Because of the fear that some clumsy oaf will spill it on itself then sue the restaurant, no restaurant will serve even a decently hot cup of coffee, much boiling water. The only way to make a good cup of tea is to boil the water yourself, which pretty much limits its availability to private homes or using the microwave at work to boil some water (because the water from the coffee maker isn't hot enough, either). Oh, and bring your own tea, because if they have it at all, it's probably Lipton; yech.

    Filed under: Chrome thinks "yech" should be "yeti."

    And this is why I continue to remain in England where tea is sacred and you can take my tea from me when you can prise it from my cold dead hands.

    In interesting news, I've been subjected to the shitty daytime TV this week due to continued joy from the bathroom manglers, and yesterday there was a short thing on TV about how the 'perfect brewing time' is 25 seconds. Is it bollocks. I go for Assam tea bags and brew for at least 2 minutes, sometimes longer *laughs*



  • @Arantor said:

    I go for Assam tea bags and brew for at least 2 minutes, sometimes longer

    That's gangsta.



  • @Keith said:

    That's gangsta.

    That is how I roll, yo.



  • @Arantor said:

    yesterday there was a short thing on TV about how the 'perfect brewing time' is 25 seconds. Is it bollocks. I go for Assam tea bags and brew for at least 2 minutes, sometimes longer

    I've always heard 3-5 minutes. Sometimes I get busy and neglect to remove the bag; this is really only a serious problem with the Earl Grey we have at work, which has too much bergamot, and becomes very bitter if allowed to steep too long. At the other extreme, my mother liked her tea extremely weak. To paraphrase an episode of MAS*H1, her idea of the way to make tea was to breathe on the cup while staring at a picture of Thomas Lipton. Seriously, she just dipped the bag into the cup a few times; not even 25 seconds.

    On a side note, I once read of a method to make decaffeinated tea. Steep for 30 seconds, discard, add fresh water, and steep for the normal 3-5 minutes (or whatever you consider normal). In the first 30 seconds, most of the caffeine dissolves in the water, but the aromatic compounds that give the tea its flavor dissolve more slowly, so the first cup- or pot-full of water can be discarded without sacrificing much of the flavor. Or that was the claim, anyway. Personally, throwing away perfectly good caffeine seems like an utter waste; I don't understand why anybody would want to do that.


    1 Instructions for making a dry martini: breathe on a glass of gin while staring at a picture of the guy who invented vermouth, whose name I don't remember and CBA to look up.


  • Yes, my step-mum is like that. Half water, half milk, dip the tea bag in a few times, job done. And that's with the cheap and cheering supermarket own-brand tea-bags.

    Question: are you one of those people that puts the milk in before the water?



  • So, Back to germany. Has anyone else seen Iron Sky?


    Filed under: Götterdämmerung



  • @Arantor said:

    Question: are you one of those people that puts the milk in before the water?

    No. Actually, I only occasionally have milk at all, just sugar. Sometimes if I'm at home where I have milk, but generally even then only if I've managed somehow to make it way too strong and bitter. I never have milk at work; I tried once with the coffee creamer, but that was not a pleasant experience.



  • @HardwareGeek said:

    No. Actually, I only occasionally have milk at all, just sugar. Sometimes if I'm at home where I have milk, but generally even then only if I've managed somehow to make it way too strong and bitter. I never have milk at work; I tried once with the coffee creamer, but that was not a pleasant experience.

    Fair enough.

    Also, I'm looking at the recently elongated title of this thread and I observe I have been downgraded to Dots 1.0. What gives?


  • BINNED

    @Arantor said:

    Also, I'm looking at the recently elongated title of this thread and I observe I have been downgraded to Dots 1.0. What gives?

    You know what we need? We don't need splitting. We don't need merging. We don't even need topagination.

    We need... Infinimerge!

    When a thread topic does this kind of slow transformation we need an ability to:

    1. Split the topics (HEY! Don't stop reading!)
    2. Split topic shows "continuing from..." (I think it already does that. AND STOP YELLING, I'M NOT FROM TCoCDCK!)
    3. Creating a link (with specific syntax maybe?) in original topic signals Discourse it should Infinimerge! (exclamation point is the part of the name) and keep loading posts from that topic after the one with the link.

    What we get:

    1. Uninterrupted conversation for people who were in the discussion from the start
    2. Jumping on point for new people who only care for the tea
    3. Abuse of Discourse
    4. ?
    5. PROFIT!


  • @boomzilla said:

    Isn't every sentence in German really just a crazy compound word

    So, class, repeat: "Der Donaudampfschifffahrtskorvettenkapitänsadjunkt betrachtete durch den Hochpräzisionsoptikfeldstecher die hochalpenluftgestählten Meisen der oberennstaler Milchviehhüterin."



  • @noland said:

    Der Donaudampfschifffahrtskorvettenkapitänsadjunkt betrachtete durch den Hochpräzisionsoptikfeldstecher die hochalpenluftgestählten Meisen der oberennstaler Milchviehhüterin

    google translate fails on the bigger words. you will have to translate for us.


  • ♿ (Parody)

    @HardwareGeek said:

    Instructions for making a dry martini: breathe on a glass of gin while staring at a picture of the guy who invented vermouth, whose name I don't remember and CBA to look up.

    I recall that you were supposed to wave the bottle of vermouth over the glass. Similarly, for cooking rare meat (can't remember what sort was referred to originally and google isn't helping) you carry the meat on a platter through a warm kitchen. For some reason that is associated with Winston Churchill in my mind, but I couldn't tell you why.


  • ♿ (Parody)

    @Arantor said:

    Also, I'm looking at the recently elongated title of this thread and I observe I have been downgraded to Dots 1.0. What gives?

    I appear to be at Dots 1.5.



  • Mine switches between dots 1.0, dots 1.5 and dots 2.0 as I change my browser width. It's a strange versioning scheme.


  • ♿ (Parody)

    I had tried that, but I didn't go far enough. If I shrink down enough, I upgrade to 2.0, but even stretching across two monitors keeps me at 1.5.


  • BINNED

    @noland said:

    Der Donaudampfschifffahrtskorvettenkapitänsadjunkt betrachtete durch den Hochpräzisionsoptikfeldstecher die hochalpenluftgestählten Meisen der oberennstaler Milchviehhüterin.

    Captain's something on some kind of ship on Donau... I give up.



  • @noland said:

    Der Donaudampfschifffahrtskorvettenkapitänsadjunkt betrachtete durch den Hochpräzisionsoptikfeldstecher die hochalpenluftgestählten Meisen der oberennstaler Milchviehhüterin.

    Bing Translator gives this:

    The Danube steamship Korvettenkapitän Assistant looked at the high alpine air hardened tits of the oberennstaler dairy guardian through the high-precision optics binoculars.



  • But this has nothing on the village of Llanfair­pwllgwyn­gyllgo­gery­chwyrn­drobwll­llanty­silio­gogo­goch.

    Yes, Welsh.


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    @Keith said:

    steamship

    Gahhh! Yes, makes sense.

    @Keith said:

    Assistant

    Buttumed it was that, but didn't want to talk out of my rectum.

    @Keith said:

    high-precision optics binoculars

    Looks close enough.

    hochalpenluftgestählten - I see high, alpen is presumably Alpine, luft is air, lost after that. If there are tits in there I don't see them.

    Trying to figure German out using only what I learned in school years ago (and mostly forgotten) is fun!



  • @noland said:

    "Der Donaudampfschifffahrtskorvettenkapitänsadjunkt betrachtete durch den Hochpräzisionsoptikfeldstecher die hochalpenluftgestählten Meisen der oberennstaler Milchviehhüterin."

    Let me poke at a few bits that haven't been explained yet:

    korvettenkapitän: A korvette (corvette in English) is a kind of ship, but it's possible that it is being used here as a modifier for captain, though I'm not sure just what it would indicate.

    gestalt: shape or form. Maybe something shaped like alpine peaks??? Hochalpengestählten could be something shaped like high alpine peaks (nudge, nudge, wink, wink), but luft doesn't make sense in that context.

    Milch is milk, and Google gives "dairy guardian" for Milchviehhüterin. The ending is feminine, so it's a female guardian.

    oberennstaler just gives "upper Ennstaller;" no clue what that is, unless it's a proper name... and a quick Google turns up Ennstal Alps in Österreich, so it is a proper name.

    I'm still not sure how Bing got "tits" out of that. I'm sure German has many slang words, but I only know the proper Brüsten, which is conspicuously absent from that sentence. Presumably the Milchviehhüterin has a pair, but I don't see any reference to them in that sentence, and I seriously doubt Bing has the intelligence to infer them from metaphorical alpine peaks, if that was even intended as a metaphor.



  • My company's catering switched teabag provider to one that makes those triangular bags, which are infused with extra placebo to make your tea appear to taste better.



  • @dhromed said:

    those triangular bags, which are infused with extra placebo

    Please tell me that they are actually labeled as having "extra placebo".



  • @boomzilla said:

    I recall that you were supposed to wave the bottle of vermouth over the glass.

    I don't doubt there is a version out there like that, but I'm pretty sure I remember the MAS*H instructions involved breathing on the glass, and I know it required looking at a picture of the inventor.

    Googled it, and found

    You pour six jiggers of gin, and you drink it while staring at a picture of Lorenzo Schwartz, the inventor of vermouth.

    So, I was wrong; no breathing involved (except, presumably, that required to remain alive and conscious while drinking the gin).



  • @algorythmics said:

    noland said:
    Der Donaudampfschifffahrtskorvettenkapitänsadjunkt betrachtete durch den Hochpräzisionsoptikfeldstecher die hochalpenluftgestählten Meisen der oberennstaler Milchviehhüterin

    google translate fails on the bigger words. you will have to translate for us.


    Here you are:

    • "Donaudampfschiffahrts(gesellschaft)" - probably the most famous compound word, giving a good start for even longer ones, the Danube steam boat company
      After the last writing reform it's actually "Donaudampfschifffahrtsgesellschaft", but the company ceased to exist since.
      (The compound of "Schiff" and "Fahrt" (navigation/shipping) was written with just two "f" with regard to type setting and the "ff" ligature, but this was abandoned for simpler rules. Some say, the company ceased to exist in protest.)
    • "Korvette" – corvette (type of ship)
    • "Kapitän" – captain ("Korvettenkapitän" would be the captain of a corvette, but – I believe – this was also a rank in the German navy.)
    • "Adjunkt" – a junior position looking forward to becoming a senior, from Latin "adiungere", part. perf. "adiunctus" (being attached to)
      (Edit: This is quite outdated, you wouldn't use this nowadays. But it was actually used in official designators for junior positions.)
    • "betrachtete" – was watching
    • "durch" – by/through
    • "Hochpräzisionsoptik" – high precision optics
    • "Feldstecher" – binoculars ("Feld" – field + "Stecher", something or someone piercing something or someone)
    • "hochalpen-" – high alpine
    • "Luft" – air
    • "gestählt" – hardened (from "Stahl" – steal steel)
    • "Meisen" – tits (the birds)
    • Enns – a river in Austria, crossing 4 of the 9 federal countries, forming an important, quite long valley
    • "Ennstal" – this valley (see above, "Enns" + "Tal")
    • "Ober-" – the upper part of something
    • "Milchvieh" – dairy cattle ("Milch" – milk + "Vieh" – cattle/livestock/farm animal)
    • "Hüterin" – a female person guarding some animals, treasure, etc

    (In fact, Bing Translator is performing surprisingly well.)



  • @noland said:

    "Meisen" – tits (the birds)

    Ah, Google didn't translate that at all. So, indeed, a slang term I was not previously familiar with.

    @noland said:

    "gestählt" – hardened (from "Stahl" – steal)

    Oops, I overlooked the "h".



  • @HardwareGeek said:

    noland said:"Meisen" – tits (the birds)

    Ah, Google didn't translate that at all. So, indeed, a slang term I was not previously familiar with.


    No, not slang, just the normal word for the birds.
    ("Meise, die", noun, f., pl. "Meisen" – tit, a small bird.)


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