🔥 First they came for the incandescent bulbs...
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Candles?
That could work!
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I liked the (current) top comment...
Here at Philips, light bulbs screw you.
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this one's especially annoying, as the primary driver for "smart" electric meter seems to be "allow the electric company the potential ability to turn off your AC in the summer." Not that they're necessarily going to, but they explicitly reserve the right to.
I don't see why that's a problem. Why are you taking so much energy to refridgerate your house?
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Open your Book of Consumer Prayer to page 23, and sing with me:
I thought that this stuff was said to us in our sleep?
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I'm thinking of some intelligent lighting in my apartment, but that involves a RPi and crapload of dumb LED tapes. The stuff to change light temperature and dimming depending on what time of day it is and ambient lighting already accessible.
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: "I'm sure arstechnica will have a "sponsored" excuse for this."
So far they're too busy sucking off the past's dick:
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Considering the OP, I don't think @boomzilla has all that much faith in government though.
I have lots of faith regarding governments. It's rarely misplaced.
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Why are you taking so much energy to refridgerate your house?
We've discussed this before. Short answer: because it's hot, and it actually uses less energy to cool a building in the summer in a hot climate than heat it in the winter in a cold climate.
https://what.thedailywtf.com/t/nationalist-trolling/4865/99?u=boomzilla
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I thought that this stuff was said to us in our sleep?
If you stretch "in our sleep" just a little so that in includes "whenever we're not paying attention", there's a good case to be made that this is exactly how modern marketing operates.
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Why would that even be a thing that congress would think to explicitly outlaw?
Because of their corporate overlords, man! If Congress didn't do its' masters' bidding, you might be able to buy cheap lighting, man!
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I don't see why that's a problem. Why are you taking so much energy to refridgerate your house?
away with you, troll.
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So far they're too busy sucking off the past's dick:
A comment I didn't bother reproducing pointed that out, although it mentioned a puff piece about Nest instead.
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Why the fuck do you randomly just shove my name in there to make notifications? I turned off all emails from this site if you fuckers are trying to spam me again.
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Since some douchedick yanked me into this topic, the really funny thing here is that Phillips is doing this about a week after Keurig admitted to destroying their own business by doing the exact same thing.
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a week after Keurig admitted to destroying their own business
Interesting--I hadn't been paying attention; the last time I heard anything was when they relented a bit and decided to bring back the "put your own coffee in" cup (I forget their term for it.) Did they say how much money it cost them or indicate they were going to back off on the DRM?
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I'm not sure I understand the advantage in having lightbulbs this "smart."
But, but, but ... it's way too hard to get up off the couch and walk all the way over to the light switch to turn off my living room lights before I get up off the couch and walk upstairs to go to bed!
Now leave me alone - I have to go yell at all the neighborhood kids and tell them to keep their newfangled Internet-Smart-eConnected crap off my front lawn.
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Why would it be illegal to modify the firmware of a light bulb to play pirated games? Why would that even be a thing that congress would think to explicitly outlaw?
Because Big Tetris doesn't want people playing Tetris with buliding lights.
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Nice. Not aware of these kinds of printer before.
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They're expensive
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Smart thingsFour legs good,dumb thingsTwo legs bad.
Smart thingsFour legs good,dumb thingsTwo legsbadbetter.<f
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We've discussed this before. Short answer: because it's hot, and it actually uses less energy to cool a building in the summer in a hot climate than heat it in the winter in a cold climate.
You probably just invented some kind of new physics. Since when do the laws of thermodynamics care about the direction of heat exchange?
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You probably just invented some kind of new physics. Since when do the laws of thermodynamics care about the direction of heat exchange?
No, I don't think that's it at all. See if you can think up a different explanation.
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@Rhywden said:
You probably just invented some kind of new physics. Since when do the laws of thermodynamics care about the direction of heat exchange?
No, I don't think that's it at all. See if you can think up a different explanation.So, you're saying that it takes more energy to heat up a house from 18°C to 19°C than it takes to cool it down from 30°C to 24°C?
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So, you're saying that it takes more energy to heat up a house from 18°C to 19°C than it takes to cool it down from 30°C to 24°C?
Whatever I said, I'm sure I wasn't using °C. Also, no. Maybe you should read the linked article if you can't figure it out yourself.
Does 18°C really sound cold to you? I'm not really sure, myself.
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Does 18°C really sound cold to you? I'm not really sure, myself.
Eeeeh... I hate cold so I'd prefer it at around 20-ish at least, but I can live with it.
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Whatever I said, I'm sure I wasn't using °C. Also, no. Maybe you should read the linked article if you can't figure it out yourself.
Does 18°C really sound cold to you? I'm not really sure, myself.
The point is that you're doing Physics wrong and you're not really comprehending how heat pumps work :)
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So, you're saying that it takes more energy to heat up a house from 18°C to 19°C than it takes to cool it down from 30°C to 24°C?
Well, to give you a local example, in winter in Dallas it gets down to about 0C for a couple months, but it doesn't get much above 37C. If you pick, say, 22C as a desired temp, there's less cooling to do than there is warming.
The town I grew up in in the Northeast has an annual average temp of about--let me switch to F as the data I found are like that--of 45, with an average annual range of 36-57, but the average coolest month of January with 13 and the average hottest month of July with 80, well, again, if you're targeting 72-73 degrees, first off, you don't even NEED cooling except for a few weeks in July, but there's 7 months of the year where average temps are below 50, and 5 below 40.
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So? You seem to think that Norway and Finland are the only countries in Europe.
Plus, that's not what he said.
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So? You seem to think that Norway and Finland are the only countries in Europe.
Did you have some kind of point? The northern half or so of US states are roughly equal in latitude to the southern half of Europe, so generally speaking on average Europe should be even colder, and prove @boomzilla's point that heating probably costs more than AC.
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Plus, that's not what he said.
I remember the last time we had this discussion and you were wrong then and you're still wrong--at least as far as the US is concerned.
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@Rhywden said:
So? You seem to think that Norway and Finland are the only countries in Europe.
Did you have some kind of point? The northern half or so of US states are roughly equal in latitude to the southern half of Europe, so generally speaking on average Europe should be even colder, and prove @boomzilla's point that heating probably costs more than AC.
That's still not what he said. Let me ask you: What do you think your fridge does?
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@Rhywden said:
Plus, that's not what he said.
Sounds about like what I said.
Well, you would say that now, would you?
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@boomzilla said:
@Rhywden said:
Plus, that's not what he said.
Sounds about like what I said.
Well, you would say that now, would you?
Um....yeah, why wouldn't I?
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@Rhywden said:
Plus, that's not what he said.
I remember the last time we had this discussion and you were wrong then and you're still wrong--at least as far as the US is concerned.
I don't remember having such a discussion.
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@boomzilla said:
@Rhywden said:
You probably just invented some kind of new physics. Since when do the laws of thermodynamics care about the direction of heat exchange?
No, I don't think that's it at all. See if you can think up a different explanation.So, you're saying that it takes more energy to heat up a house from 18°C to 19°C than it takes to cool it down from 30°C to 24°C?
Depends. How efficient is your heating system? How efficient is your cooling system? How many months out of the year will you be using each of them?
Also, where in the world do you live that it never gets below 18°C?
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I don't remember having such a discussion.
Yeah, @Frostcat seems to have confused you with @dkf, at least from the thread that I linked, though I know there was a big discussion about how air conditioning is sexist. I haven't dug that up to see who said what.
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I liked this comment:
[quote=TKnarr (profile), Dec 14th, 2015 @ 11:34am]Their controllers say Zigbee Light link protocol 1.0 certified. If the firmware update renders the controllers incompatible with Zigbee Light link protocol 1.0 (ie. will not interoperate with bulbs using that protocol), that's a manufacturing defect. I'd simply return the defective controllers to where you bought them and request a refund (a replacement isn't acceptable since Philips has made it clear all of their controllers are or will be rendered defective). Sorting out the defective merchandise with the manufacturer is the store's problem.[/quote]
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What do you think your fridge does?
Cools an area approximately 1/1000th of my apartment's cubic?
Yes, I know how it does that. Even if we assume it "produces" triple the amount of heat it removes from inside itself, that's still only about 0.3% of the total cubic, so is probably a trivial amount of my overall temperature control bill.
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Depends. How efficient is your heating system? How efficient is your cooling system?
Heating is much more efficient than cooling. However, that doesn't make up for the difference. Even in Atlanta, heating costs twice as much as cooling.
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I don't remember having such a discussion.
You might need to get checked for Alzheimer's then. Unless you actually didn't participate last time, in which case, carry on. Although I admit to having assumed you would have taken the same position this time as you would have last time if you were involved then.
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Also, where in the world do you live that it never gets below 18°C?
Approximately nowhere in the US, with the possible exception of Hawaii, which I CBA to look up the numbers on, never gets below 18°C. Even Death Valley, Texas, and Florida, to give three examples.
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Heating is much more efficient than cooling. However, that doesn't make up for the difference. Even in Atlanta, heating costs twice as much as cooling.
Well, there's a rather large external power source supplying free direct heat to your home in the summer. Your cooling system has that to fight against.
Sort of like if you opened up all your windows and doors to let the cold wind blow through your house in the winter.
Approximately nowhere in the US, with the possible exception of Hawaii, which I CBA to look up the numbers on, never gets below 18°C. Even Death Valley, Texas, and Florida, to give three examples.
I found a (rather short) list of major cities worldwide and Rio de Janeiro, Brazil was the only city it listed with a coldest month's average low temperature of 18°C or warmer.
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Yeah, @Frostcat seems to have confused
Well, that, and/or just assuming it's the kind of discussion he'd've partaken of, and as I said, if he had, then it's safe to bet which side he'd've taken while partaking.
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Well, there's a rather large external power source supplying free direct heat to your home in the summer. Your cooling system has that to fight against.
Are you suggesting that your gut feeling trumps actual data that shows that heating costs more than cooling in a southern US state?
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edit: nevermind, I misunderstood the post.
If your heating is more expensive than your cooling, then it could also be that the energy source you use for heating (natural gas?) is a lot more expensive per joule than the energy source you use for cooling (electricity).
<what the hell is wrong with my brain today. ugh.>
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heating costs more than cooling in a southern US state?
While that's true, given where the geographical mean of the US population is, do you think that generalizes to the country as a whole? I'd guess the answer is closer to "no" than "yes".
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@Frostcat seems to have confused you with @dkf,
I don't remember any of this. Which isn't to say I wasn't involved. I forget stuff all the time; I have computers to remember things for me.
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Oh, FFS sake you lazy bums. Go RTFA that I linked a link to:
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-22/americans-air-conditioning-habit-is-eco-friendly
For Europeans reading this, I may actually be able to clear up this baffling issue: Americans use air conditioning more because America is a lot hotter than Europe is.
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On average, the move from cold areas to warm ones has actually saved energy, not caused us to use more.
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We should all pay more attention to profligate climate control. Why are people clinging to their unsustainable lifestyles and expending so much energy to make their homes comfortable year-round? Why don't they do the right thing for the environment? Embrace air conditioning, and get the heck out of Berlin.