We need more stereotype-filling quotes
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Like I said, it's a variant of the catchphrase, if taken totally out of context. No more, no less.
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You seem to be the only one who thinks there's a catchphrase in the first place. It's not mentioned in any definitions of the term.
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I have no idea why that is, either. Normally, in an anime, if you want to make jokes and need a tsundere for some of them, you establish them in the most stereotypical way: They make some guy lunch, and when thanked, run away yelling, "ITS NOT LIKE I DID IT FOR YOU, JERK!"
At which point the straight-man calls out the cliche.
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Wow animes are shit aren't they.
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This is like the worst thread on this site ever.
Let's never mention it again.
I'm confused by what's actually happening in it.
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I'm confused by what's actually happening in it.
It's an argument about underdefined jargon.
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You know.
I know a lot about anime.
I know most of the character archetypes.
I just watched yet another anime with that character type
In fact any one-guy-multiple-girls-romantic-comedy is going to have one of the girls, if not the main girl the guy actually cares about, be this type of girl.
And yet, I don't get the joke.
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No, there's a ton of really good, really thought provoking, really dramatic, etc, animes out there.
It's just the fans and their cult ruin the chance that other people will ever consider enjoying it.
Spirited Away / Howl's Moving Castle (Child Fantasy)
Eureka 7 (Enduring child drama with reflections on war)
RahXephon (I find it more palatable than Evangelion, otherwise mirror image)
Ghost in the Shell (smart stuff).
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I don't even... that show...
...and yet, it probably doesn't use this particular cliche.
That's pretty much restricted to comedy now. Comedy that makes fun of tropes, rather than the kind IS is, which just rolls in them. Viva la France
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Most of the main character drama is Houki Shinonono doing exactly ("It's not like I did it for you, idiot!") to Ichika Orimura.
They even have a whole scene where the various girls are sharing food with the two guys, and Houki basically says she cooked too much. Then she admits that she already ate all the bad ones, then gets pissed when Ichika takes food from another girl and basically says that catchphrase.
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Family name, they reversed the name order for western adaptation.
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Viva la France
Dude, Charl has a good reason for that personality.
Her whole nation is getting left behind in the arms race, and she's desperate to remain relevant.
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Spirited Away / Howl's Moving Castle
Those were really good.
Ghost in the Shell (smart stuff).
I liked that, but on review (and considering the sequel) I think they're more pretentious than smart.
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Yes? Most popular character.
Anyway, others that are actually good include Baccano, which takes place in the 20s in the US, and half of it is on a train, and perhaps Last Exile and Maoyuu... but there are a lot like IS, which don't help at all. One of the strangest ones I've seen is Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon, which somehow manages to have a deeply political plot behind the obvious awful up front.
But to be fair, my tastes lean more toward lolsorandom, such as Abenobashi Mahou Shoutengai, a show about two kids visiting alternate universe versions of their hometown where strange things happen.
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@xaade said:
Spirited Away / Howl's Moving Castle
Those were really good.
Honestly, he just makes awesome movies. I think he's finally retired for real this time, so Marnie Was There is in many ways the end of an age. I really liked From Up on Poppy Hill, if it's the one I think it is.
I also quite like the movies the company made that he didn't have a hand in, such as Earthsea (yes, LeGuin's!). But my favorite may be Whispers of the Heart, which is one of the least fantastical of them.
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From Up on Poppy Hill
Whispers of the Heart
Those two are easy to confuse.
WotH has a talking cat in it.
FUoPH is entirely reality based. Star crossed lovers because they are related, and a school clubhouse to save.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Whisper_of_the_Heart_(Movie_Poster).jpg
Whisper of the Heart
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WotH has a talking cat in it.
Though I'm sure you know, this is because one of the characters is an aspiring novelist. It's fiction even within the movie.
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By the same argument, Spirited Away is not fantasy either, because it was an Alice in Wonderland tromp.
Ni No Kuni has also been argued to be a dream.
I think the pattern is interesting. Are the fantasies we have as children just as real as reality itself.
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I'm just clarifying. It's not really a story about a talking cat; one of the characters is simply writing a novel about one. There is a whole movie about the same talking cat, but it isn't this one. The setting is explicitly not fantasy.
I'm not trying to be pedantic, it's just very different from the others in that regard.
Even things like Marnie Was There involve strange delusions.
I think the pattern is interesting. Are the fantasies we have as children just as real as reality itself.
Maybe under a certain age... but children still generally know what's real and what isn't. Or else video games would have been proven to cause people to become murderers, and fiction would likely cause all manner of awfulness.
What's great about ghibli is that they're able to make things that seem like fantasies children genuinely have.
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generally know what's real and what isn't
I'm not saying that there is going to be bleed into our reality.
What I'm saying is that an idea exists, even if it exists as an idea. In that sort of way fantasies are real.
For example.
My daughter watches a show.
The characters on the show are just as real to her as I am, but she can tell that the characters on the show are distinct from what she otherwise experiences.She sees Elsa in Frozen as a real person, but she doesn't treat Elsa as a human, only a person. Almost like Elsa is a different species of sentient animal.
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That's certainly what Plato thought. I don't really disagree.
That's why I enjoyed Neal Stephenson's Anathem, which goes into that quite a bit.
There's even a religion in that book that postulates that our universe is simply a story that a murderer is telling a judge in order to prove that good can come even from a murderer's mind.
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And then occasionally, you get a spark of this kind of thing even in very strange locations.
I once saw a series called Chaos;Head, which is about extremely deluded people, who are able to manifest their delusions in the world. Not all of the characters even exist. It was very odd. The main character is a really awful person, but the concepts behind the series were fascinating.
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Not all of the characters even exist
Yeah, that twist was....
Well, I had a good guess of it ahead of time, but I didn't think they'd actually go that route.
Then, I watched Deadman Wonderland, and realized how sanitized Chaos;Head was.
Yeah, the only way to survive DW is to just become insane.
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It isn't one of my favorites, but it was very good. I still need to see the ones released between From Up On Poppy Hill and it, because I managed to miss them.
Multiperson pantheistic solipsism!
Stephenson loves this stuff. But mostly he takes a more platonic bent.
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Stephenson loves this stuff. But mostly he takes a more platonic bent.
I was specifically thinking of someone else there.
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Although losing a fight in DW, the punishment for the sake of research becomes self-defeating.
If there is some power that activates blood, it seems you'd have better research if you analyze something in place, and not remove it.
But then again, I can't ignore the possibility that everyone is just as insane (which they are)...
At which point, you left the research of the next military advancement, in the hands of a bunch of people so insane, they break their method of research through sheer willpower of incompetence in the flesh.
That show tastes like dried blood in the mouth.
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No, there's a ton of really good, really thought provoking, really dramatic, etc, animes out there.
I've seen about 3 watchable ones. Cowboy Bebop, uh. Paranoia Agent.
Ok 2 watchable ones.
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I liked that, but on review (and considering the sequel) I think they're more pretentious than smart.
Also the appeal of the film is, "oh BTW the star has TITS TITS TITS LOOK AT THE TITS TIGHT FITTING SUIT TITS CLOAKING SUIT WITH CLOAKED TITS TITS".
Not really what I consider "smart".
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I wonder if you'd enjoy Berserk... You'd probably enjoy Legend of the Galactic Heroes.
The former is a very dark fantasy series, which is incredibly well done. They remade the series as three movies, but they only cover a very small part of the story.
Legend of the Galactic Heroes is an enormous space opera by a Japanese novelist, which was adapted decades ago. Really long, but with a lot of thought put into it.
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Paranoia Agent
If you like epilepsy as a show, then you'd love the anime they got out of this one.
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If you think that....
Then you haven't watched it.
She rarely makes a physical appearance in the movies.
And she's made a point that she wants the body she has, because there's at least one time a fellow officer tries to convince her that she'd be more intimidating in a male body. When you can have any body you want, the body you have becomes less important.She has more character than those I've seen put forth by people that want to desexualize the female gender in entertainment.
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If you like epilepsy as a show, then you'd love the anime they got out of this one.
I've only seen a few episodes. I called it "watchable" not "great". (I hear it got really, really weird towards the end.)
But the dark comedy episode with the girl and two homeless guys trying (and constantly failing) to commit suicide was amazing. Especially the twist ending which had you diving for your remote control so you could rewind and see where the characters stopped having shadows. That was a great episode.
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If you think that....
I wouldn't type it if I didn't think it.
Then you haven't watched it.
I have watched the first movie. It basically revolves around her tits. As do all the marketing materials about it.
She has more character than those I've seen put forth by people that want to desexualize the female gender in entertainment.
I'm not saying they should "desexualize the female gender in entertainment". I'm saying that if they wanted to market the movie based on being "smart" they probably shouldn't have made it feature giant tits all the time.
EDIT: although I guess the fact that the cartoon sex doll actually has brains is really really progressive by Japanese standards. Still, she ain't no Ripley.
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the best one IMO
The movie was super-weak. I'd take any given episode of the TV series over the movie.
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Still, she ain't no Ripley.
If you watched more of GitS, she's more like Ripley than not.
cartoon sex doll actually has brains is really really progressive by Japanese standards
You can't divorce intelligence and beauty in Japanese culture like you can in western culture.
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The current series is a remake of the series of movies Microsoft funded (All the ads had Surfaces!).
I believe there are several TV shows and a couple of movies. I haven't watched most of the older stuff, but the current show is alright.
But the show that's currently on that I'm happiest about is Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, and we're already past the bit with the vampire-hunting-nazi-cyborgs.
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Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
I've been watching that. It's gotten kind of bogged down IMO, but I'm way behind, so maybe it picks back up? I'm in the middle of the bit where they fight a new Stand guy every week.
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without a doubt.
altough i didn't disliked the movie, it's inferior to the TV series
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Anyone watch the spiritual successor Samurai Champloo.
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You can't divorce intelligence and beauty in Japanese culture like you can in western culture.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.
I highly doubt that is true.
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Part 3 is just like that the whole way. My favorite part is Part 2, because Joseph is an awesome main character.
Part 4 is really episodic, and my least favorite, but the stands start varying more, as they stop being all combat stands.
Then they reach part 5, where they start going on adventures again, this time as the mafia in Italy. Quite good.
Part 6 happens in a jail, and is awesome.
Part 7 is about a horse race across the US, and is interesting I guess?
Part 8 is about part 4 in an alternate universe. No one knows what's going on yet.
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I liked part 2 a lot :)
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You can't divorce intelligence and beauty in Japanese culture like you can in western culture.
TDEMSYR
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@wiki said:
It follows Mugen, an impudent and freedom-loving vagrant swordsman; Jin, a composed and stoic rōnin; and Fuu, a brave girl who asks them to accompany her in her quest across Japan to find the "samurai who smells of sunflowers".
sounds like cowboy bebop in feudal japan
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You can't say
"This woman has tits, therefore they only care about the tits this woman has".
Japan has a complicated perspective on sex that's completely different and doesn't follow from western perspective.
They haven't dealt with the sex-shaming in the same way.
So when you bring in the current "sexism" political thought to them, they look at it and shrug.
And it's a shame that people look at their culture and frame Japanese men's perspective on women and the value of a woman from western eyes.
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Japan has a complicated perspective on sex that's completely different and doesn't follow from western perspective.
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And it's a shame that people look at their culture and frame Japanese men's perspective on women and the value of a woman from western eyes.
Clearly we're misjudging the poor, not-at-all fanservice-driven Anime producers.
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