Topic Creation Barriers
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Continuing the discussion from The Official "Likes" Thread:
Yep, it's new users are temporarily limited to 3 replies [IN A ROW] in the same topic.
Also, new users can't "Reply as new Topic", yet can create new topics in general... so... why exactly can't they reply as a new topic?
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I think the idea is to get them reading and responding so they can get the feel for the environment and the people/tone/temperment.
After a few replies then they can post.
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I think the idea is to get them reading and responding so they can get the feel for the environment and the people/tone/temperment.
Re-read that. It lets you post, up to 3 times in a row. It lets you create new topics (which you could use to create a topic, then post a link to it from the other topic), but it hides the ability to reply as new topic which is essentially something they can already do manually? WHY? The only reason I can think of is to foster bad habits so that eventually said user says "hey i didn't even know that functionality existed, where the hell did that come from??"
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Ok...I see what you are saying. Yep, confusion. I am not sure if that would be a bug or wacky UI to user oversight.
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go over to meta.d and post this so they can figure out what the deal is.
Edit: because if it was me. I would not allow any new posts until three responses to other posts so to keep it consistent.
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if enough people here care, someone will post it. if it's just me bitching about it, then it's not worth the time.
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I will post it. I am over there answering questions anyways..
So basically trust level zero can create a new post but cannot reply as new post? Hold on I need a sock puppet. Two shakes.
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Also - Trust Level Zero is told they can only post 3 times to a topic, but it actually only stops you at 3 times in a ROW. Once someone else posts, they can start posting again. The toaster isn't very clear about that at all, it makes it sound like you can't post more than 3 times at all in a topic period.
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Ok that is verified.
Totally goofy and don't know the point: Why can you create a new post but not reply as new post.
So you second point is a throttling post after post suppression. I think this is a bot catch but its being used wrong.
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On the posting more than 3 times error, it's either just a message error, or an implementation error. Don't know which. But the message and implementation don't match.
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will paste error once I get it.
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3 post limit huh?
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yea, about that. I AM HAX FOAR POST!
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OMG NOES NOT TEH HAX
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it's either just a message error, or an implementation error
Well, which one is right in your opinion? It should be trivial to fix either way.
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Also, what the shit about "consider editing your previous replies" instead of adding a new reply? So they ENCOURAGE you go ninja yourself rather than post new things in the flow of discourse??
I have no idea @ben_lubar , it's their forum software so only they really know.
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Ok so I see that this
doesn'tdoes let them continue?
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Looks like a documentation bug based on the variable names.
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You see it blocking @codlnghorror on the 4th in a row, telling him that he's only allowed 3 replies. Then you see me reply and it magically lets @codlnghorror make the 4th post it told him he wasn't allowed to do.
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Copy that. That is weird.
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The new user experience is what kind of killed the Dicsourse experience from day 1, for me anyway. If it had been more smooth up front, I doubt the random toaster here and there would have been anywhere near as damned annoying as it is.
3 times I've registered Dicsourse accounts; 2 here, 1 at meta - All 3 times have been goddamn maddening. All 3 times I have hit a different set of bugs, since I avoid the ones that happened to first time.
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You sure that's the code for the new user one though?DERP: newuser_max_replies_per_topic.
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I got a bug request open. But I think things are all quiet on the western front in Discourse land...Jeff mentioned he is on a family trip. He jumped in for a few responses about an hour ago, but has probably checked out by now. Sam is probably in bed and I don't think the trout fish comes over here much or if he does he doesn't post near the frequency as the others.
Anyways. We'll see what comes of it.
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Good find by the way.
I had a gripe about the PM embedded in the Private Flagging options. Verbiage was/is confusing. I think I am going to have to change it myself if I want it to be clear. But there is also PM option under the placard when you click on avatar's in convos (did you know that? because I didn't).
I was trying to send @Nagesh a PM and was trying to find a 'reply privately' button out in the open to tell him 'why' my post reply to him on meta.d got flagged. Nope it is tucked away (or on our profile page). Would be nice to have a PM option next the Heart Icon and the other ones gone. I am sure that won't happen though.
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Yes it is trival. Trivial stuff tends to fall off so I expect it to be 'as-is' for a while.
Of course we can fix these things too. I have yet to submit a fix for anything so I shouldn't complain too loudly.
Plus @riking bails me out of sticky situations when I break my discourse instance OR when I need a plugin installed OR change my username to match all my discourse sites.
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Without being funny this looks like another case where 'trying to be smart' is the wrong way to do it. It also sounds like another case of "Jeff ignoring the competition" because this is a problem they've encountered too.
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Another featurette - the flags sent to moderators are wrong/misleading as well:
I'm fairly certain @darmkatter, who created the topic, isn't a new user...
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Discourse seems to be generally confused about the terms "topic" and "post".
Remember that when we first started using it it said "x new topics" in the blue notification thing in the topic list, while it was actually counting posts.
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that is because it knows we change topics with every post.
there must be a non-ambiguous word for these "things", these "groups of posts"... some long-used easy term... if only i could come up with one... perhaps a "thread"?
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that is because it knows we change topics with every post.
You think Discourse can make a distinction of that? I know you're most likely just trolling, but how the hell does "4 new topics" translate to "2 new posts in this thread/topic, 1 new post in this thread/topic and 1 new thread/topic opened", to give an example? "4 new posts" is at least correct, if not informative.
And do note that they fixed it due to bug report on TDWTF, I made it myself IIRC, but CBA to bother with Discourse's broken search.
Filed under: Avoiding misspellings because I hope it will push these posts up to higher rank on the googles
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It's one of the many, many consistencies in Discourse's design
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if enough people here care, someone will post it. if it's just me bitching about it, then it's not worth the time.
Find me 3 other discourse sites where this is a thing, and I'll find another rationalization for why you're insane.
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Find me 3 other discourse sites
where this is a thing, and I'll find another rationalization for why you're insane.FTFY
If someone goes looking for Discourse, they're already insane.
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Find me 3 other dicsourse sites where this is a thing, and I'll find another rationalization for why you're insane.
FTFY
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yadda yadda nanny state
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