My new 4k monitor-- God I wish I had taken notes while setting up this thing
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Probably. What would be the best way to handle it? Detect the percentage down the screen the cursor is and move it to that percentage of the next screen as you move it? That would probably work.
Right; it seems a no-brainer fix to me. But since Microsoft can't even scale the taskbar right, who knows what kind of ancient crufty assumptions are built-into Windows here.
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Ok. Do you know what an Xbox 360 is? Let's start from the basics.
Whoops, I thought we were talking about PC audio. Yeah, that sucks.
Maybe they're using the audio half of HDMI to transport the remaining 3K of resolution?
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Probably. What would be the best way to handle it? Detect the percentage down the screen the cursor is and move it to that percentage of the next screen as you move it? That would probably work.
YES
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unless you're an idiot and turn on acceleration
/raises hand
I did that many years ago to improve my desktop responsiveness, and then wondered why my Warcraft III:FT game mouse kept misbehaving on me. Didn't tie the two together until months later.
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Can't you enter a custom DPI still? This thing:
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It's on by default, and they named it 'enhance pointer precision', and haven't changed the name, despite it being the best way to make your mouse movements inaccurate.
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Sure I can, and have it apply to BOTH MONITORS thus making my 1080p monitor utterly useless.
So no, that is not a good solution.
The only way to have a different DPI per-monitor in Windows 8.1 is to have Windows "guess" what size shit should be, and even then it doesn't work because it can't draw the taskbar or icons on the desktop correctly.
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That's really awful. They should fix that.
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The audio isn't coming FROM my computer. It's coming FROM the Xbox plugged into the monitor. It needs to go INTO my computer so it can show up on the Twitch.tv stream and also then be routed to the nice speakers.
Well, that sucks then.
Looks like Microsoft offers cables that allow you to grab the audio from the AV port of the console, though. Would one of those work for you?
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Gee, ya think?
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Well, that sucks then.
I concur.
Looks like Microsoft offers cables that allow you to grab the Audio from the AV port of the console, though. Would one of those work for you?http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-360/connections/connect-sound-system
None of those can plug into a line-in port, so no.
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You can convert red-and-white-RCA to 3.5mm jack with a cheap cable or adapter.
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You can convert red-and-white-RCA to 3.5mm jack with a cheap cable or adapter.
OR! I could use the solution I'm currently using which costs me exactly $0.
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But how does that help me when the audio's in the HDMI cable?
I already have good speakers plugged into my PC. I'm trying to figure out how you were proposing this solves the problem of taking audio from an HDMI cable (without fucking with the video signal) and delivering it to my PC's line-in port.
Right now I don't HAVE to do that because my old cheap Dell 1080p monitor does it for me. I just plug-in a double-ended 3.5mm cable and I'm golden.
Might get HANZO'd by the time I post this:
Screen shot of one:
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Enjoy the silence.
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What silence? What are you talking about?
Did you think I threw the 1080p monitor that does exactly what I need in the trash? That's the only way your post even slightly makes sense.
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What silence? What are you talking about?
Did you think I threw the 1080p monitor that does exactly what I need in the trash? That's the only way your post even slightly makes sense.
Let's see, earlier you stated:
But how does that help me when the audio's in the HDMI cable?
I already have good speakers plugged into my PC. I'm trying to figure out how you were proposing this solves the problem of taking audio from an HDMI cable (without fucking with the video signal) and delivering it to my PC's line-in port.
Granted you did say:
Right now I don't HAVE to do that because my old cheap Dell 1080p monitor does it for me. I just plug-in a double-ended 3.5mm cable and I'm golden.
But it seems to me @aliceif was suggesting a solution for making your setup work on the 4k monitor that has the
of taking HDMI but has no audio out.A lot of your rants over various
ery are amusing and right on point, but IMHO this is a perfect example where you crossed the line and turned it into a make-wrong on someone who was clearly trying to help you make the most of an expensive investment.
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A lot of your rants over various ery are amusing and right on point, but IMHO this is a perfect example where you crossed the line and turned it into a make-wrong on someone who was clearly trying to help you make the most of an expensive investment.
Well, I don't feel attacked/offended by it, though.
If I am unable to find a solution that works for him, then so be it!
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It sounds like you may actually be able to set the scaling per monitor on 10, since everyone has been screaming about it for years. I'll look into it over the weekend.
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Uh. Nope. Maybe Windows 10...
Yep, everything always gets better in the next version. That's what Microsoft fans say, anyways, I have yet to see that ever become reality.
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That's what Microsoft fans say, anyways, I have yet to see that ever become reality.
I don't know about Microsoft fans, but people using the technical preview and employees think this has gotten better. Have fun on Planet Linux, though.
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Well duh. Linux doesn't work even given common hardware. I wouldn't even slightly expect it to work with relatively unique hardware, like a 24" 4k monitor.
Linux/X11 itself is fine with a 4k display -- heck, it'll work with something as old as RH 6.4, and multi-res doesn't faze it either.
OTOH:
Different DPI appears to be the problem here.
It seems that HiDPI + regular DPI monitor pairs should be mandatory equipment for all GUI devs...Besides: do you know of a 4k, 28-30", rotatable, matte display that's available for volume purchasing? We haven't been able to find one...
LED backlight, for example, caught on quickly without any major issues or delays.
LED backlight also doesn't require a single driver change ;)If you can afford the $1800 to buy TWO monitors and supporting GPUs, I'd still recommend it. It is REALLY NICE when it's working. Even upscaled apps like Skype and Steam don't look so bad that they stand-out.
Try driving four 28" 4k monitors at native res, off of a single (workstation-class) card. (I just wish the app my team deals with wasn't a piece of crap that hardcoded both DPI and screen res...)None of those can plug into a line-in port, so no.
Ever heard of a device called an "adapter"?
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Yeah, paid spokespeople never lie.
And thank you, I will enjoy planet Linux. Not that I use Linux, but it sounds a hell of a lot better than planet Windows. As a former Windows Phone user I know first hand that the hype of a new MS OS release is nothing but wishful thinking and flat out lies.
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I and all other people in the preview, rather than inquisitive people who want to know what's going on, are in fact paid spokespeople. I just wish the payment was larger. It's hard to get by on $0 per mention.
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I just wish the app my team deals with wasn't a piece of crap that hardcoded both DPI and screen res...
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Fun fact, the most common tactic of people who are paid for their posts online is to claim that they are in fact NOT paid for their opinions (and to scoff arrogantly at the very idea). Not that I care, you do you and all, but my point is that in MY experience MS is nothing but disappointment after disappointment so I gave up on them. Your point seems to be that other people like it. I don't give a shit what other people like, I think they're wrong and stupid.
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I don't give a shit what other people like, I think they're wrong and stupid.
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Yes, that's an entirely unique perspective so I must be someone else.
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Nah, can't be. Blakey doesn't like it when people lie about what other people say.
Your point seems to be that other people like it.
Is something I never indicated, so I must be really bad at this whole shill thing.
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But most games are awful at doing DirectX right. OpenGL has it easy, because it doesn't use it at all.
My limited experience with games that work under both OGL and DX is actually the opposite.
Of course OGL doesn't use DX, though, they're competitive products.
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people using the technical preview and employees think this has gotten better
Seriously, it's right there in your first response to me. End of story. You can continue to argue about how you're not a paid shill if you want but I would like to remind you, again, that I don't care what you do for work.
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@Magus said:
people using the technical preview and employees think this has gotten better
@aapis said:Your point seems to be that other people like it.
People saying that the situation where individual monitors had no individual DPI settings has gotten better is, while a good indicator that they like some undisclosed change, not telling you that people like Windows. Feel free to make things up, just don't pin them on me.My limited experience with games that work under both OGL and DX is actually the opposite.
Of course OGL doesn't use DX, though, they're competitive products.
OpenGL mode for HoN is inferior in most ways. The settings are just not as good. With no context, your reply is sane. But we're talking about context switching between fullscreen and windowed, or minimizing fullscreen games. I'm saying that the reason OpenGL games seem to handle this better is probably because they're totally separate.
Seriously, people really like to build empathy for Blakey here, by ignoring all context.
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But we're talking about context switching between fullscreen and windowed, or minimizing fullscreen games. I'm saying that the reason OpenGL games seem to handle this better is probably because they're totally separate.
No, that's what I meant, too: the limited number of games I've played that supported OGL and DX, and where you could even switch between the two systems at runtime, worked better in DX, including context switching.
I haven't played a game like that in years, so that may not be true now, that may only have been true of the card I had, etc., etc., and so on.
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Seriously, people really like to build empathy for Blakey here, by ignoring all context.
Not me. But if he's right, I'll agree with him.
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Besides: do you know of a 4k, 28-30", rotatable, matte display that's available for volume purchasing? We haven't been able to find one...
This Dell meets all requirements except the size. It's a UP2414Q, see if they have a version in the size you're looking for.
Ever heard of a device called an "adapter"?
Why are you guys all trying to give me advice on how to do something I already did years ago? WTF.
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But it seems to me @aliceif was suggesting a solution for making your setup work on the 4k monitor that has the of taking HDMI but has no audio out.
But I OWN TWO MONITORS. (Well, more than two actually, but two are plugged in right now.)
A lot of your rants over various ery are amusing and right on point, but IMHO this is a perfect example where you crossed the line and turned it into a make-wrong on someone who was clearly trying to help you make the most of an expensive investment.
I don't recall ever asking for help.
If I am unable to find a solution that works for him, then so be it!
I have a solution that works for me: DO NOTHING. It already works. It's worked for ages.
The only thing not having an audio-out on the 4k monitor does is make it impossible for me to move it to the left of the 1080p monitor. That's all.
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You're so worried about being considered a shill that you're willing to argue about anything, even the literal meaning of words, so long as it distracts the reader from your shillery. That or I'm being punked. We all thought you grew out if that phase, Ashton. Stop it.
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@blakeyrat - Just FYI, this is from the Windows 10 Build 10074 changelog
We’ve done work to better support high DPI displays. And we know many Windows Insiders are running multi-mon setups – often with 2 monitors with different DPI. You will start to see some work we’re doing to make sure core UX components in Windows scale correctly on both your monitors so things look nice regardless of DPI.
So it looks like there is work being done in 10. Whether or not it actually works or not is a different question. But it might be worth it to wait it out?
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Whether or not it actually works or not is a different question. But it might be worth it to wait it out?
As opposed to what? Burning the 4k monitor in a trash heap?
Of course I'm going to wait it out.
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This Dell meets all requirements except the size. It's a UP2414Q, see if they have a version in the size you're looking for.
Dell used to make a 4k monitor in the correct size, but the bastards discontinued it!
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