Request :frystare: emoji
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Why do you even ship a icon set that doesn't have a frowny face?
I think it is correct to ship with the most open of emoji sets as the default, it happens to be http://emojione.com/ @pjh can change this default in a two clicks.
is described as "frowning face with open mouth" I agree that twitter does a better job here http://emojipedia.org/frowning-face-with-open-mouth/ but I do think it fills the somewhat odd Japanese spec
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But I'm not typing an emoji, I'm trying to fucking type a smiley. You know COLON LEFT PAREN! : (
It's your shitty bullshit ass forum that somehow turns it into an emoji, or somehow conflates COLON LEFT PAREN with some weird-ass emoji character for "stupid-ass looking yawn oh yay Japan". If I had typed COLON FROWNING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH COLON then maybe your argument wouldn't be stupid and shitty.
Fix yo shit.
Oh hey look, I can't post to the forum now because "read only" mode so let's just type some more abuse until I can.
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is described as "frowning face with open mouth" I agree that twitter does a better job here http://emojipedia.org/frowning-face-with-open-mouth/ but I do think it fills the somewhat odd Japanese spec
It looks like "man with moustache getting nasty surprise".
Besides - if I wanted then I'd type :frowning: - as I type :( then it's because I want a sad face!edit: @PJH - can we change to a less retarded set of these?
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man with moustache getting nasty surprise
The way I see it, it is man getting nasty surprise (which he was really kind of expecting)
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Narrower eyes make the icon closer to the intention:
Painted over:
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The way I see it, it is man getting nasty surprise
What do you make of:tired_face:
? To me, he doesn't look tired. In fact, it looks like something's been rammed up somewhere that's normally an exitβ¦
Seriously Firefox? You don't recognise
something's
as a valid word? Fuck meβ¦
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That wasn't an invitationβ¦
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Would you like a worm-do?
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Oh, it wriggles along the ground like this ~
Filed under: I managed to pull off a Red Dwarf dialog! Great success!, I will accept Jeffing if powers that be deem it necessary
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You know you have 4 different emoji families to pick from, if Emoji One is not cutting it there is Twitter/Google/Apple all available in site settings.
Well I could have one a week and then have a poll on what people like, but...
Anyway - why is it a site setting and not a per-user setting? At least for the stock ones.
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per-user setting?
That seems like a viable way to intensify the mustache/open-mouth debate...
Filed under: colon backslash left paren, :(
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:person_frowning:
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Here's your problem: emoji.
Emoji suck, they were invented by some japanese companies that don't know shit, forums have had better sets of emoticons for decades, we don't need to replace them.
I want phpBB emoticons on Discourse.
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Especially since emojis are Unicode characters and can be used directly in text...
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Especially since emojis are Unicode characters and can be used directly in text...
Which is great for all those out there who's systems don't have fonts that contain emoji characters
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Which is great for all those out there who's systems don't have fonts that contain emoji characters
Youβre Doing It Wrongβ’
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I'm not; all my stuff has those fonts
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I just don't think "when I type a frown emoticon I see a frowning face on the screen" is such a controversial thing that we need site settings to change. It seems to me, crazy ol' Blakeyrat, that maybe not showing a frowning face and instead showing some kind of crazy emoji for "open-mouth yawn-frown" is a bug. A really, really, really obviously bug that's lingered now for months.
It also seems to me that a Discourse developer coming in here and trying to convince all of us that
: (
is the same thing as: openmouthyawn-frown :
, instead of admitting that his incompetent ass has a huge bug in his product that he refuses to fix, is really fucking insulting.
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While I agree with the sentiment (to an extent), it's not really a bug in the software, is it? It's just a poorly-designed image, and really is the fault of EmojiOne, the guys who made it in the first place. At least Discourse gives the option of multiple sets to choose from.
GitHub uses a different set, and their:frowning:
is . The shading really helps; it actually does look like a frowning face.@PJH, do we have the emoji set that GitHub uses available?
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While I agree with the sentiment (to an extent), it's not really a bug in the software, is it?
Yes, it is.
Converting
: (
into: frowning :
into a character that EXPLICITLY IS NOT DESCRIBED AS A FROWN (scroll up a few posts to the link about it) is a bug. HOW IS THAT NOT 100% FUCKING OBVIOUS?Why are so many (presumably) software developers SO TERRIBLE AT SEEING OBVIOUS BUGS?! It vexes me. I am vexed!
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[s]A bug implies it's a problem in the code; in this case, the problem is outside the code. So no, it isn't a bug, it's just a bad image.[/s] Yeah⦠it's a problem in the code; the mapping's bollocks.
And you can leave the spaces out when you
:frowning:
; the backticks stop the emoji substitution.
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A bug implies it's a problem in the code
Except, like @blakeyrat pointed out, it turns
:(
into:frowning:
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If I wanted some shitty emoji which attempts and fails to represent a frowning face, I'd type:frowning:
but I don't. I type:(
expecting an actual sad face. And I can't have a sad face because it gets changed to:frowning:
and then replaced with the world's worst representation of a frowning face.edit: And for reference - a sad face, from software from 8 years ago before everyone got obsessed with shitty emoji.
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A bug implies it's a problem in the code;
You mean, LIKE IT IS!?
in this case, the problem is outside the code. So no, it isn't a bug, it's just a bad image.
I have no idea what kind of magical fairy dust you're consuming here. Unless you're being Uber Pedantic Dickweed Numero Uno and saying "the lookup table that converts frowning to a character that has nothing to do with frowning is not 'code', guyz! It's actually a data file closely associated with the code and always travels along with the code but it is not itself code! Hurrrr durrrr!"
And you can leave the spaces out when you ; the backticks stop the emoji substitution.
Hey guess what? I don't give a flying fuck about learning markdown. Also you're fucking wrong, look up a line. Now it's one of those rape-victim faces with a semi-colon surgically-attached to its ear. Whee. Wrong, stupid, pedantic dickweed people all up in my grill, what an awesome morning.
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edit: And for reference - a sad face, from software from 8 years ago before everyone got obsessed with shitty emoji.
AIM and MSN Messenger were doing this shit right 20 years ago.
But, again, everybody in IT has a memory of about 4 nanoseconds, if you're lucky. It's not like any of these morons would actually look at past products and possibly learn from them.
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Except, like @blakeyrat pointed out, it turns
:(
into:frowning:
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Well⦠OK, fair enough.
@RaceProUK said:
And you can leave the spaces out when you ; the backticks stop the emoji substitution.
Also you're fucking wrong, look up a line.
What, like this?
@RaceProUK said:And you can leave the spaces out when you
:frowning:
; the backticks stop the emoji substitution.
Seems to be working fine to me.Ah, I know what's happened: you highlit the text and hit 'quote reply'.
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And you can leave the spaces out when you ; the backticks stop the emoji substitution.
FYI.
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Seems to be working fine to me.
Wow. From a guy who lies (or at least engages in some extreme mental gymnastics) to forgive extremely obvious blatant bugs on behalf of his best buddies, the moron Discourse developers, that really means a lot to me.
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I've also worked out why it worked for me and not for you, and that's because we quoted in different ways. You highlit the text and hit the popup button, whereas I used the balloon button thing in the post editor; the former doesn't capture the formatting properly, whereas the latter does.
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You'll also notice, if you bother to actually read stuff, that I have conceded that the emoji mapping is a bug.
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You explain that like it's acceptable behavior....
Hanzo'd
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it turns
:(
into:frowning:
.And that at least is hardcoded into the Discourse code:
Also notice that this list has
:p
,:P
,:-P
but not:-p
, for some reason.
Filed under: non-potable water
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@PJH, do we have the emoji set that GitHub uses available?
No idea - these are the stock
frowning
emoji:apple
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emoji_one
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google
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twitter
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GitHub must use the Apple set then
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For the love of god not that stupid Google emoji set. It's awful.
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Is there any emoji set that isn't awful?
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best buddies, the moron Discourse developers
And that is total fucking bullshit, and you know it
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Something Awful has a good set of smilies, but it doesn't conform to the Emoji "standard."
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a good set of smilies
Presumably this is because they don't
@hungrier said:conform to the Emoji "standard."
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Well yeah. They were around long before Bob Unicode decided that what really belongs in a character set is a bunch of crap that makes sense in Japan. So were other PHP hell-stew forums with more mainstream smilies. But of course Discourse has to be @CodingHorrorBot so we have this crap :barf:
Maybe a workaround is to alias
:(
to:fa_frown_o:
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@hungrier Is Doing It Wrongβ’
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I was just looking at the Unicode standard emoji⦠and there is no sad face. However, there is one elsewhere in Unicode, in the Miscellaneous Symbols block.
It seems the ultimate issue, both with Discourse and EmojiOne (and maybe others), is that they completely ignored the Misc Symbols block when defining emoji.
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No idea - these are the stock frowning emoji:
LOOK the bug isn't the emoji set.
THE BUG IS TRYING TO TURN A SMILEY INTO AN EMOJI WHEN THERE IS NO EQUIVALENT BETWEEN THE TWO.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Isn't that FUCKING OBVIOUS?
Anyway, if those are the choices we have to make TO WORK AROUND DISCOURSE'S BUG, the Twitter one looks closest to the intent of
: (
. But all of them are wankjuice.
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It seems the ultimate issue, both with Discourse and EmojiOne (and maybe others), is that they completely ignored the Misc Symbols block when defining emoji.
What exactly do you mean?
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And that is total fucking bullshit, and you know it
Ooo poor baby, did I touch a nerve? Better call up your best buddies, the Discourse developers, and have a nice little chat about it. Then, later? SLUMBER PARTY! You go, girl!
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I mean, not all emoji are defined in the Unicode Emoji block; there's a handful of much older ones in Misc Symbols as well.
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It seems the ultimate issue
...is that there is no
:(
defined by the assclowns that defined emoji but Dischorse decides to map it to a different emoji anyway.