Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?
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As I've mentioned in the Lounge, I've given up (for now) looking to buy a house in my area. Prices are wack.
And then I saw this article about a house in Virginia:
"And there's already one offer"...
Thread note: I intend this thread to be mostly about laughing/mocking absurd house prices from around the world. If you want to get political about why or what should be done, the is .
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How do you weasel yourself in? Why do they not just replace the keys and lock them out?
Is this Beverly Hills Cop?Sergeant Taggart: Bullshit! You've stolen this house!
Axel Foley: How the fuck can you steal a house? This is my, uh, uncle's house!
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@topspin said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
How do you weasel yourself in?
My theory is that it's their kid.
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@topspin said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
How do you weasel yourself in? Why do they not just replace the keys and lock them out?
Is this Beverly Hills Cop?Sergeant Taggart: Bullshit! You've stolen this house!
Axel Foley: How the fuck can you steal a house? This is my, uh, uncle's house!FTA:
The current owners are just not “the type that can financially afford or emotionally deal with the eviction."
Which suggests that they once had a lease, it lapsed, but eviction didn't happen. Or, as @boomzilla said, they were family.
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@boomzilla said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
@topspin said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
How do you weasel yourself in?
My theory is that it's their kid.
Or they rented and got themselves a squatter. They are very well protected in law, and you can't just change locks, turn water/electricity off because doing that may well end up with you not being allowed to live in your house to protect the rights of the squatter.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
laughing/mocking absurd house prices from around the world
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@Gurth 455 M2 (about 5k sq feet) isn't bad, but 13.5e6 euros?
Also, you'd have to live in the Netherlands. Better than B*****m, though
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
@Gurth 455 M2 (about 5k sq feet) isn't bad, but 13.5e6 euros?
Also, you'd have to live in the Netherlands. Better than B*****m, though
We have that price range in Sweden too.
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@boomzilla said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
@topspin said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
How do you weasel yourself in?
My theory is that it's their kid.
IIRC, it's a housekeeper, or something like that, who was homeless and needed a place to stay, so the owner invited her to stay there for a while, but "a while" has continued indefinitely. The owner is terminally ill, and the family can't really afford to pursue a formal eviction process, so they're hoping to make it Someone Else's Problem before the owner dies.
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@Carnage said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
@boomzilla said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
@topspin said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
How do you weasel yourself in?
My theory is that it's their kid.
Or they rented and got themselves a squatter. They are very well protected in law, and you can't just change locks, turn water/electricity off because doing that may well end up with you not being allowed to live in your house to protect the rights of the squatter.
Not rented, but invited houseguest who overstayed her welcome. But yes, squatter, and yes, legally protected to the detriment of the owner's rights.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
@Gurth 455 M2 (about 5k sq feet) isn't bad, but 13.5e6 euros?
Maybe it isn’t bad for an American house, but average floor space in a dwelling in the Netherlands is about 120 m², though that includes both houses and apartments; single-family houses are about 1.6 times the size of apartments, on average. So this (by now) €14,000,000 house is about the size of two typical houses — but costs 36 times the national average.
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A quick search shows some nice flats in Paris of less than 5 m^2 (50 sq.ft), going for up to 20k EUR/m^2.
Though to be fair (??), there is a law in France stating that ads must mention the area where the ceiling is above 1m80 and those flats usually are below roofs and thus may be larger in reality (I found a mention of a flat of 0.9 m^2, which obviously is larger than that, but the rest is under a sloping roof).
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@remi said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
ugly, humid, and derelict flats in Paris
Why be redundant, just say Paris.
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@remi said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
A quick search shows some nice flats in Paris of less than 5 m^2 (50 sq.ft), going for up to 20k EUR/m^2.
Though to be fair (??), there is a law in France stating that ads must mention the area where the ceiling is above 1m80 and those flats usually are below roofs and thus may be larger in reality (I found a mention of a flat of 0.9 m^2, which obviously is larger than that, but the rest is under a sloping roof).
Isn't the entire house typically below the roof?
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@Mason_Wheeler yeah, but if you visited the link you'd know what he meant:
Like, the roof is both your wall and your ceiling in places.
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@boomzilla said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
you visited the link
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
Isn't the entire house typically below the roof?
Sometimes it’s above the roof:
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@boomzilla said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
@Mason_Wheeler yeah, but if you visited the link you'd know what he meant:
Like, the roof is both your wall and your ceiling in places.
Ugh. Sounds horrible. I agree with France's law: if you can't stand up in a room, it's not really a room. And if almost the entire apartment has a low ceiling, then it's just a recipe for misery.
Like this place: https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7d3wj/small-one-bedroom-flat-nottinghamshire-rent
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I think this a housing bubble:
But maybe that's just me being ESL.
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@PotatoEngineer said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
if almost the entire apartment has a low ceiling, then it's just a recipe for misery.
Like this place: https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7d3wj/small-one-bedroom-flat-nottinghamshire-rentBut that's in a Shire.
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@robo2 said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
I think this a housing bubble:
But maybe that's just me being ESL.That's a house in a bubble. A housing bubble is a bubble made of houses. And a bubble housing is a container for bubbles. Clear now?
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@Benjamin-Hall ahh, yes, much clearer now
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
@robo2 said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
I think this a housing bubble:
But maybe that's just me being ESL.That's a house in a bubble. A housing bubble is a bubble made of houses. And a bubble housing is a container for bubbles. Clear now?
That's a room in a bubble - note lack of kitchen and bath. A full bubble house would presumably contain multiple such, thus it is second from leaf, vs third. A, vs the (but not some The), housing bubble would be an instance of the class of physical structure with the deepest nested structure descending therefrom, being an overall bubble containing bubble housing containg bubble rooms.
Imo, even rooms don't select sufficiently - halls are required.
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@robo2 said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
@Benjamin-Hall ahh, yes, much clearer now
<side note> I'm totally just playing with words. I don't really mean any of that. Just having fun with English's weirdness. Because those are all plausible meanings </side note>
Really, a "housing bubble" (like a "stock bubble") is where the prices go up well beyond what the market can really sustain because of <various garagy factors> and then it goes "pop" and it all crashes.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
A housing bubble is a bubble made of houses
Ah, yes, gotcha!
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@robo2 said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
I think this a housing bubble:
But maybe that's just me being ESL.That looks like it gets unbearably hot.
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@Rhywden said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
A housing bubble is a bubble made of houses
Ah, yes, gotcha!
Of course, we have this:
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@Carnage said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
That looks like it gets unbearably hot.
"I don't do windows."
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@dcon I've never seen that view of it before, only the bit you see from 280, which is basically just the tall part on the left.
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@Benjamin-Hall
I guess my ESL claim was too convincing this time Well, OK, my ESL claim is true, but even in Dutch, the stock, housing, and crypto overpricing are called "bubbels", so maybe I was just pretending to be ignorant.
PS: I liked the play on words,
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@robo2 said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
in Dutch, the stock, housing, and crypto overpricing are called "bubbels"
Wow. Even the language learned something from Tulipmania.
I will never apologize for instigating that...
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@Carnage said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
@robo2 said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
I think this a housing bubble:
But maybe that's just me being ESL.That looks like it gets unbearably hot.
Humans can survive dry heat nearly or past 100oC quite well.
Sheep, in general, cannot.
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@Gribnit said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
@Carnage said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
@robo2 said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
I think this a housing bubble:
But maybe that's just me being ESL.That looks like it gets unbearably hot.
Humans can survive dry heat nearly or past 100oC quite well.
Yeah they had to stop having the sauna world championship because people were sitting in enough heat to cook their skin off and they had to go to hospital to recover.
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@dcon said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
Of course, we have this:
That looks like a fun mini-golf course!
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@boomzilla said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
@Mason_Wheeler yeah, but if you visited the link you'd know what he meant:
Like, the roof is both your wall and your ceiling in places.
Most of these tiny flats are on the top floor of old multi-story buildings (please let's not start another wor
ld-war about the proper term for that). These buildings typically have sloping roofs and the rooms below them used to be either storage, or rooms for servants. With the real estate price in Paris (as in any European big city), even the tiniest space becomes valuable...@PotatoEngineer said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
Ugh. Sounds horrible. I agree with France's law: if you can't stand up in a room, it's not really a room. And if almost the entire apartment has a low ceiling, then it's just a recipe for misery.
Yeah, that law is pretty un-controversial here, especially since nothing prevents you from also mentioning the larger footprint (for example my brother's house has the whole top-floor under a sloping roof, and a bit too low for that law, but that was clearly mentioned in the ad), and obviously you can see the actual footprint when visiting. It's just avoiding being too misleading when scanning ads (e.g. sorted by size). The only significant side-effects are inflating a bit the per-sq.m reported price (as a dwelling with a lot of low-ceiling space would still be more expensive than the same dwelling but without it), and reducing some of the taxes collected by the state (as they are based on sq.m), which clearly no one is going to complain about.
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@remi said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
Nice emoji alignment here...
How the heck did that happen?!
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@topspin said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
How the heck did that happen?
If I had to take a guess, I'd say Font Awesome (which uses characters + custom font) aligning to baseline vs <whatever handles the other emojis> (which just uses plain images) aligning to center of available space.
Filed under: but I don't so I don't
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@remi said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
With the real estate price in Paris (as in any European big city), even the tiniest space becomes valuable...
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That isn't how you do a straw bale house. They are coated on both the inside and outside to prevent moisture from rotting the straw. Once construction is completed the only exterior difference that you see is that the walls are abnormally thick, otherwise they look identical to a normal wood framed house.
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@Dragoon sure, maybe in non-France parts of the world.
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I am not even sure how practical a straw house would be in France, straw houses do better the more arid the environment. France isn't scotland, but they still get a fair bit of moisture there.
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@Dragoon said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
That isn't how you do a straw bale house.
Given that there aren't any window panes (and the wall seems incomplete at the top of the post), I'd guess this is work-in-progress, not the finished product. AFAIK, this is how you start a straw bale house, so the picture isn't entirely wrong.
But of course .
Also, @boomzilla, I have no idea where this "information" comes from. I've never heard that straw bales houses were any more common in France than elsewhere. But again, .
Also also, if anything a straw bale house means more wasted space (because the walls are thicker), so it's extremely unlikely many would ever get built in Paris.
Also also also, I'm starting to run out of ways to overthink and kill that joke.
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@remi no idea. Just a serendipitous find as I scrolled through FB today.
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@remi said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
Given that there aren't any window panes (and the wall seems incomplete at the top of the post), I'd guess this is work-in-progress, not the finished product. AFAIK, this is how you start a straw bale house, so the picture isn't entirely wrong.
Having seen straw bale houses being constructed before, nothing about that picture is correct.
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@Dragoon yes, but have you seen straw bale houses being built in France?
No, I haven't either, and it's probably not any different, but one more time,
:faxbarrierjoker:
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@Dragoon said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
I am not even sure how practical a straw house would be in France, straw houses do better the more arid the environment. France isn't scotland, but they still get a fair bit of moisture there.
My dad's house is a straw bale - in Iowa. So I don't think external moisture is really an issue.
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This whole thread has descended into strawbaling. Can we keep the in the ffs?
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@Dragoon said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
I am not even sure how practical a straw house would be in France, straw houses do better the more arid the environment. France isn't scotland, but they still get a fair bit of moisture there.
Yeah, ergot is a French name, to point up one major concern.
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@Gribnit said in Housing Bubbles? Is this a housing bubble?:
This whole thread has descended into strawbaling. Can we keep the in the ffs?
:sadtrombone: