Right to repair sold to the highest bidder
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@Zerosquare said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
According to the court document, Taylor's COO admits that it sought to obtain a Kytch device "in order to evaluate and assess its potential technology-related impacts upon our Soft Serve Machine—such as whether the radio frequency of the Kytch device would interfere with our software signal, or whether the Kytch device would drain the power source of our software and/or cause it malfunction,"
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It does! But only if you think that software is empowered by voodoo spirits. I'm pretty sure that the stuff I write is only empowered by plentiful coffee…
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@dkf said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
I'm pretty sure that the stuff I write is only empowered by plentiful coffee…
I am, sadly, entirely sure that some of my code is in fact powered by voodoo spirits, because when the occasional evil is unavoidable, I have to provide whatever minimum soul-fraction Papa Legba demands.
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Am I the only one seeing the ironing in this one? So, Kytch, messed with Taylor's machines to create a device that allows ordinary people to diagnose errors with said machines by Taylor. Taylor then acquires some Kytch machines to mess with those, so they can figure out how said Kytch machines help with that. Somehow Kytch then gets a restraining order, preventing Taylor from acquiring the Kytch machines so they can't figure out how those mess with their own machines.
(Which isn't to say that Taylor aren't total dicks - they certainly seem like it.)
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@cvi said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
Am I the only one seeing the ironing in this one? So, Kytch, messed with Taylor's machines to create a device that allows ordinary people to diagnose errors with said machines by Taylor. Taylor then acquires some Kytch machines to mess with those, so they can figure out how said Kytch machines help with that. Somehow Kytch then gets a restraining order, preventing Taylor from acquiring the Kytch machines so they can't figure out how those mess with their own machines.
Actually, Kytch did not mess with Taylor's machines. From what I've seen, it's an addon which specifically does not require you to open the Taylor machine in any way. It merely takes the info the Taylor machine itself provides and "translates" that info into something understandable by amateurs.
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@Rhywden said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@cvi said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
Am I the only one seeing the ironing in this one? So, Kytch, messed with Taylor's machines to create a device that allows ordinary people to diagnose errors with said machines by Taylor. Taylor then acquires some Kytch machines to mess with those, so they can figure out how said Kytch machines help with that. Somehow Kytch then gets a restraining order, preventing Taylor from acquiring the Kytch machines so they can't figure out how those mess with their own machines.
Actually, Kytch did not mess with Taylor's machines. From what I've seen, it's an addon which specifically does not require you to open the Taylor machine in any way. It merely takes the info the Taylor machine itself provides and "translates" that info into something understandable by amateurs.
As I understand it, Kytch created their device by disassembling a Taylor machine. Kytch's customers don't need to disassemble their own Taylor machines. But Kytch disassembled one.
The judge has now stopped Taylor from disassembling a Kytch machine to reverse engineer their hardware.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@Rhywden said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@cvi said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
Am I the only one seeing the ironing in this one? So, Kytch, messed with Taylor's machines to create a device that allows ordinary people to diagnose errors with said machines by Taylor. Taylor then acquires some Kytch machines to mess with those, so they can figure out how said Kytch machines help with that. Somehow Kytch then gets a restraining order, preventing Taylor from acquiring the Kytch machines so they can't figure out how those mess with their own machines.
Actually, Kytch did not mess with Taylor's machines. From what I've seen, it's an addon which specifically does not require you to open the Taylor machine in any way. It merely takes the info the Taylor machine itself provides and "translates" that info into something understandable by amateurs.
As I understand it, Kytch created their device by disassembling a Taylor machine. Kytch's customers don't need to disassemble their own Taylor machines. But Kytch disassembled one.
The judge has now stopped Taylor from disassembling a Kytch machine to reverse engineer their hardware.
Well, it's a bit more complicated. Taylor knew about their efforts from the beginning and even gave them hardware and limited support.
O’Sullivan and Nelson did all of this, they’re careful to note, with Taylor’s knowledge and, in some cases, enthusiastic participation. A top Taylor exec had attended their prototype launch party in Washington, DC. Later, the company had offered them 10 of its ice cream machines on consignment to work on and adapt. The company even shipped an ice cream machine to Shenzhen for them. After all, Frobot didn’t represent a competitor to Taylor so much as a promising new source of sales, or even a whole new automated market for its machines.
At one point while in Shenzhen, O’Sullivan wrote to a contact at Taylor to ask for advice about a technical question they were stuck on. The Taylor executive wrote back that “if you want to tap into the controls or sniff data packets it will need to be without the assistance of Taylor at this time due to our current security policies.”
That response may not have been entirely friendly. But O’Sullivan read it to mean: We won’t help you hack our machines, but we know what you’re doing, and we’re not asking you to stop. In other words, as he puts it, “Carte blanche.”
Please note that the "Frobot" which is talked about here is basically what the Kytch is now: An addition to an existing Taylor machine.
But I also just noticed that I was wrong on the point that they don't need to open the Taylor machine - that's very much the case.
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@Rhywden said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
Frobot
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@hungrier Pretty sure that this is indeed the association they were going for.
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@loopback0 said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
Yeah. Prevents their brand being associated with spymode camera.
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Not sure this is the right thread, but this is the kind of shit we get when we have right to repair.
https://youtu.be/2z5A-COlDPk?t=941
I fucking knew those fucking annoying flashing brake lights were illegal. Now can I make a citizens arrest whenever I see one of those fuckers?
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@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
Now can I make a citizens arrest whenever I see one of those fuckers?
You need a Stetson hat and mirrored sunglasses, you got those?
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@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
Not sure this is the right thread, but this is the kind of shit we get when we have right to repair.
Having an option to replace a broken light with a cheap, worse alternative... Or not having an option to replace a broken light at all.
Which one is safer?
@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
I fucking knew those fucking annoying flashing brake lights were illegal. Now can I make a citizens arrest whenever I see one of those fuckers?
Not in this country. The most you can do is write down their plate numbers and... oh wait.
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@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
Not sure this is the right thread, but this is the kind of shit we get when we have right to repair.
That's a stupid argument. Some people fit cheap aftermarket shit so no-one should be able to?
Also more and more cars are coming with factory LEDs so this problem goes away - although it's replaced with the new problem of if the lamp goes then you need to replace the whole unit.
edit: you can also get good LED bulbs that only output light where the filament would be on a halogen bulb so they work better with the pattern on the lens.
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@loopback0 There are also aftermarket LED replacements that come with a proper lens that works with them
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@loopback0 said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
Some people fit cheap aftermarket shit so no-one should be able to?
Eh, so, we shouldn't allow it to be imported if it has to meet any sane quality or safety standard. Or, require that it actually do, in order to be imported.
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@loopback0 said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
That's a stupid argument. Some people fit cheap aftermarket shit so no-one should be able to?
I'm actually not against right to repair. I'm against fuckers putting those blinky stop lights on their cars - I bet they cause more accidents than they prevent - not to mention they're illegal.
Also I didn't know that you can't just buy an LED bulb and I finally now know the reason the package says "for offroad use only"
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@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
I'm against fuckers putting those blinky stop lights on their cars - I bet they cause more accidents than they prevent - not to mention they're illegal.
I'm against not being able to get the blink frequencies into the near-infrasecond range. We could eliminate epilepsy in our time! Either some sort of sane regulatory approach is wanted, or we should be explicitly allowed to try to kill each other.
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@Gąska said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
I know there are other topics for app store bullshit but why is the Government getting involved in the fee the owner of an app store charges to have an app on their own store?
(I'm not saying I agree with how Apple have done it, but I don't think the Government should be sticking their oar in here either)
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@loopback0 said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
I know there are other topics for app store bullshit but why is the Government getting involved in the fee the owner of an app store charges to have an app on their own store?
Because for all intensive poiposes Apple is a monopoly? I mean if you could sideload shit without having to jailbreak that would be another thing.
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@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@loopback0 said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
I know there are other topics for app store bullshit but why is the Government getting involved in the fee the owner of an app store charges to have an app on their own store?
Because for all intensive poiposes Apple is a monopoly?
On a market that Apple created but that still only covers 27% of all mobile devices?
Even Google who have 72% of the mobile market should be entitled to set the percentage they get from sales on a marketplace they created, and they continue to run the infrastructure for. Sony can set what they want on the Playstation Store, Microsoft on the Xbox store, etc.
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@loopback0 said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@loopback0 said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
I know there are other topics for app store bullshit but why is the Government getting involved in the fee the owner of an app store charges to have an app on their own store?
Because for all intensive poiposes Apple is a monopoly?
On a market that Apple created but that still only covers 27% of all mobile devices?
Even Google who have 72% of the mobile market should be entitled to set the percentage they get from sales on a marketplace they created, and they continue to run the infrastructure for. Sony can set what they want on the Playstation Store, Microsoft on the Xbox store, etc.
Google has sideloading easily accessible. Apple does not.
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@loopback0 said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
On a market that Apple created but that still only covers 27% of all mobile devices?
I guess I should've said oligopoly.
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@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@loopback0 said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
On a market that Apple created but that still only covers 27% of all mobile devices?
I guess I should've said oligopoly.
That's what people who buy Apple are buying. Their cost tradeoff favors dealing with an oligopoly. Most idiot taxes work like that.
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@loopback0 said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
Some people fit cheap aftermarket shit so no-one should be able to?
Of course, just like some dumbass drive drunk so we should make alcool or cars illegal
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@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
I guess I should've said oligopoly.
So not a monopoly then?
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@loopback0 said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
I guess I should've said oligopoly.
So not a monopoly then?
Eh, a monopoly over a self-selected subset is a kind of a monopoly.
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@TimeBandit said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@loopback0 said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
Some people fit cheap aftermarket shit so no-one should be able to?
Of course, just like some dumbass drive drunk so we should make alcool or cars illegal
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Combining the two is illegal and actually enforced. Can we get the cops to enforce the Blinky lights thing? And stop companies from selling "illegal" replacement lights? They know fully well people are not using them for off-road use. I think the LED light should pass some sort of standard test before they can be sold. Like NIST certified or something.
Seriously though those dumbass blinking brake lights annoy me to no end. I've seen so many of them I was starting to wonder if some dumbass manufacturer is putting them in cars, but turns out it's just dumbass users and it's illegal. I'm gonna put my local PD on speed dial. Do I get 10% of the ticket price?
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@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
I'm gonna put my local PD on speed dial. Do I get 10% of the ticket price?
The informer fee is generally fixed. Do you prefer crack, meth, or saving up WhackPoints?
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@Gribnit said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
I'm gonna put my local PD on speed dial. Do I get 10% of the ticket price?
The informer fee is generally fixed. Do you prefer crack, meth, or saving up WhackPoints?
When the revolution comes, I want to be the one making the lists.
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@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@Gribnit said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
I'm gonna put my local PD on speed dial. Do I get 10% of the ticket price?
The informer fee is generally fixed. Do you prefer crack, meth, or saving up WhackPoints?
When the revolution comes, I want to be the one making the lists.
Ew. WhackPoints it is.
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Louis Rossmann agrees with the Taliban:
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@dangeRuss nobody doesn't like Sara Lee.
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@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@loopback0 said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
That's a stupid argument. Some people fit cheap aftermarket shit so no-one should be able to?
I'm actually not against right to repair. I'm against fuckers putting those blinky stop lights on their cars - I bet they cause more accidents than they prevent - not to mention they're illegal.
Just because I saw no one mention it: A lot of newer cars now have blinking (or better: strobing) stop lights.
But they only strobe when you brake hard (i.e. emergency braking where the ABS engages). Otherwise they light permanent.
At least that's the way in civilized countries.
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@Rhywden said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@loopback0 said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
That's a stupid argument. Some people fit cheap aftermarket shit so no-one should be able to?
I'm actually not against right to repair. I'm against fuckers putting those blinky stop lights on their cars - I bet they cause more accidents than they prevent - not to mention they're illegal.
Just because I saw no one mention it: A lot of newer cars now have blinking (or better: strobing) stop lights.
But they only strobe when you brake hard (i.e. emergency braking where the ABS engages). Otherwise they light permanent.
At least that's the way in civilized countries.
I would be OK with that
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@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@Rhywden said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@loopback0 said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
That's a stupid argument. Some people fit cheap aftermarket shit so no-one should be able to?
I'm actually not against right to repair. I'm against fuckers putting those blinky stop lights on their cars - I bet they cause more accidents than they prevent - not to mention they're illegal.
Just because I saw no one mention it: A lot of newer cars now have blinking (or better: strobing) stop lights.
But they only strobe when you brake hard (i.e. emergency braking where the ABS engages). Otherwise they light permanent.
At least that's the way in civilized countries.
I would be OK with that
Glad to hear it. Your notions on enforcement could use some tempering. This way nobody has to die.
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@loopback0 said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
Not sure this is the right thread, but this is the kind of shit we get when we have right to repair.
That's a stupid argument.
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@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
Can we get the cops to enforce the Blinky lights thing?
Serious question: what do the demographics look like on the people installing these?
But also, I tried watching the video and I still don't know what you're talking about here with these lights. The position you linked was some dude talking. I skipped ahead and saw some turn signals and shrugged.
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@boomzilla said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
I still don't know what you're talking about
here with these lights.and
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@boomzilla said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
I skipped ahead and saw some turn signals and shrugged.
So, you don't watch for harmonics when presented with multiple turn signals. How do you tune pianos?
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@Gribnit said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@boomzilla said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
I skipped ahead and saw some turn signals and shrugged.
So, you don't watch for harmonics when presented with multiple turn signals. How do you tune pianos?
I have no idea what this means.
However unlike other @gribnit posts, this might not be your fault. I'm pretty sure there was an xkcd about that ages ago and I also didn't know what that meant.
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@topspin said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@Gribnit said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@boomzilla said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
I skipped ahead and saw some turn signals and shrugged.
So, you don't watch for harmonics when presented with multiple turn signals. How do you tune pianos?
I have no idea what this means.
However unlike other @gribnit posts, this might not be your fault. I'm pretty sure there was an xkcd about that ages ago and I also didn't know what that meant.Convolving two close waveforms produces a harmonic beat which can be used to diagnose the mismatch.
Don't worry, I arrange matters such that it's always @boomzilla's fault.
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@Gribnit said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@boomzilla said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
I skipped ahead and saw some turn signals and shrugged.
So, you don't watch for harmonics when presented with multiple turn signals.
Why do you say that?
How do you tune pianos?
Exactly how you think I do.
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@boomzilla said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@Gribnit said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@boomzilla said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
I skipped ahead and saw some turn signals and shrugged.
So, you don't watch for harmonics when presented with multiple turn signals.
Why do you say that?
How do you tune pianos?
Exactly how you think I do.
You really make a bad pun about fish and give up?
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@Gribnit said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@boomzilla said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@Gribnit said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@boomzilla said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
I skipped ahead and saw some turn signals and shrugged.
So, you don't watch for harmonics when presented with multiple turn signals.
Why do you say that?
How do you tune pianos?
Exactly how you think I do.
You really make a bad pun about fish and give up?
I don't see why not.
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@boomzilla said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
Can we get the cops to enforce the Blinky lights thing?
Serious question: what do the demographics look like on the people installing these?
Never pulled one over, so . It's not that often they I see them, but when I do it's fucking annoying.
But also, I tried watching the video and I still don't know what you're talking about here with these lights. The position you linked was some dude talking. I skipped ahead and saw some turn signals and shrugged.
I linked to a specific PSA that said don't put LEDs into cars not designed for them, but also he talks about how the blinky lights are not street legal.
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@dangeRuss said in Right to repair sold to the highest bidder:
I linked to a specific PSA that said don't put LEDs into cars not designed for them, but also he talks about how the blinky lights are not street legal.
IME all turn signals blink. And rightly so.