Presence Sensor
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@Master Chief said:
Windows ices all of it's processes so it doesn't potentially destroy your system, it's not always defective hardware.
I do not understand this use of the word "ices".
@Master Chief said:
If you boot up an SDK and pump in enough garbage, you can make a PC bluescreen no matter how good the hardware is.
You can make the system unusable, and you can probably force it to kill-off processes, but you can't make it bluescreen.
@Master Chief said:
By the way, what color is the sky today? I think it's blue, but I'm sure you know better.
Grey, as always. I live in Western Washington. Blue is by far the rarest of all sky colors here.
@Master Chief said:
Can you back that assertion up with a paystub?
I have my name in the credits of Gears of War. And no, I won't share my real name for the same reason I wouldn't share a paystub, if I had one. Which I don't, because it was all online.
@Master Chief said:
It's unfortunate, really, the PS3 suffers so much just because Sony wanted to push Cell processor technology years ahead of when it would be effective.
The Cell's just a warmed-over PPC, the same fucking chip Microsoft put in the Xbox 360 and shipped to the public a full year before Sony was ready. Does anybody even know what the Cell CPU is supposed to do that a normal PPC can't?
If Sony had just swallowed their pride and shipped the PPC chip as IBM constructed it, they could have shipped at the same time Microsoft did. (Well, still not because of their stupid blu-ray obsession, but... really I guess they made about 4-5 strategic errors that would have to have been rolled-back to effectively beat Microsoft this generation.)
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@blakeyrat said:
@Master Chief said:
By the way, what color is the sky today? I think it's blue, but I'm sure you know better.
Grey, as always. I live in Western Washington. Blue is by far the rarest of all sky colors here.
Actually, this afternoon in particular, the sky is a beautiful clear blue here in Western Washington. ;)
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@Mason Wheeler said:
Actually, this afternoon in particular, the sky is a beautiful clear blue here in Western Washington. ;)
YOU RUIN MY JOKE I KEEL YOU YOU DIE NOW
But yes, this is the first nice weather we've had all year, on the one day my online snarkiness relies on having cloud cover. Damn you weather!
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It's unfortunate, really, the PS3 suffers so much just because Sony wanted to push Cell processor technology years ahead of when it would be effective.
Eight weak cores is never going to be more useful for games than three strong cores, not now, not ever. It's just a pain in the arse to develop for and get decent performance. Massively parallel processors have uses, but for the most part running games isn't one of them.
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@nexekho said:
Eight weak cores is never going to be more useful for games than three strong cores, not now, not ever. It's just a pain in the arse to develop for and get decent performance. Massively parallel processors have uses, but for the most part running games isn't one of them.
So are you saying it's no good because it's difficult, or that it doesn't make good business sense? Those are dramatically different statements. I'd argue that if you could get over the fact that it's "difficult" then the 8 cores (or 7, rather) would be much more capable.
A slight revision to your statement might make me agree: "If game companies are trying to design for multiple platforms with significantly different architectures simultaneously, they can't optimize for all the features on all the architectures so will not find utility in the most complex of those architectures." So if you're trying to capitalize on volume, then 8 cores is not useful when your engine is designed to work on 1 or 2 or 3. If, on the other hand, you are developing a game because you enjoy it and are going for niche premium markets instead of mass commodity markets, then 8 cores is probably extremely useful in certain situations.
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@blakeyrat said:
I do not understand this use of the word "ices".
Ices. Kills. Stops. Halts. Whatever you like.
@blakeyrat said:
You can make the system unusable, and you can probably force it to kill-off processes, but you can't make it bluescreen.
Yeah, you can. Try to play Scarface for PC on Windows Vista or 7 and watch it die.
@blakeyrat said:Grey, as always. I live in Western Washington. Blue is by far the rarest of all sky colors here.
Explains the perpetual PMS...
@blakeyrat said:
I have my name in the credits of Gears of War. And no, I won't share my real name for the same reason I wouldn't share a paystub, if I had one. Which I don't, because it was all online.
I helped troubleshoot file I/O in Excel 97, but all I got was my photo in the Hall of Tortured Souls.
@blakeyrat said:
The Cell's just a warmed-over PPC, the same fucking chip Microsoft put in the Xbox 360 and shipped to the public a full year before Sony was ready. Does anybody even know what the Cell CPU is supposed to do that a normal PPC can't?
If memory serves, it's supposed to be vastly superior in multi-tasking and multi-threaded operations. I've heard it has great potential as a server chip, but as a game console chip, it's like putting a Lamborghini V10 in a Saturn SC.
@blakeyrat said:
If Sony had just swallowed their pride and shipped the PPC chip as IBM constructed it, they could have shipped at the same time Microsoft did. (Well, still not because of their stupid blu-ray obsession, but... really I guess they made about 4-5 strategic errors that would have to have been rolled-back to effectively beat Microsoft this generation.)
Not the least of which was selling a console for $600 that it costed them $850 to manufacture.
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@nexekho said:
It's unfortunate, really, the PS3 suffers so much just because Sony wanted to push Cell processor technology years ahead of when it would be effective.
Eight weak cores is never going to be more useful for games than three strong cores, not now, not ever. It's just a pain in the arse to develop for and get decent performance. Massively parallel processors have uses, but for the most part running games isn't one of them.
Well it does have some advantages. I will openly admit that the 8 core setup is better for games that have a lot of shit to keep track of. But:
A: They aren't fast enough.
B: This development structure, while excellent at what it does, means either a game has to be PS3 exclusive, or it has to be completely re-written for Cell.
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@Master Chief said:
I helped troubleshoot file I/O in Excel 97, but all I got was my photo in the Hall of Tortured Souls.
Now I know you're lying! Hall of tortured souls was in Excel 95!
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@ender said:
@Master Chief said:
I helped troubleshoot file I/O in Excel 97, but all I got was my photo in the Hall of Tortured Souls.
Now I know you're lying! Hall of tortured souls was in Excel 95!Shit. I knew I should've looked it up.
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@blakeyrat said:
You can make the system unusable, and you can probably force it to kill-off processes, but you can't make it bluescreen.
Actually you can. (Google "force BSOD") You can create a registry key which will cause a BSOD if you hold down the right Ctrl key and press Scroll-Lock twice. However, according to this Microsoft KB article in Vista or later it only works if you have a PS/2 keyboard. If you have a USB keyboard you can "fix" this "problem" by installing a hotfix for the keyboard driver.
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@blakeyrat said:
@ender said:
Now you're just trolling.@blakeyrat said:
Unless you're running Windows 98, a bluescreen is a hardware problem
Sadly not when graphic drivers are involved (especially if you have an ATI card).Drivers are hardware.
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@El_Heffe said:
Now you're just trolling.
Nope.
When you buy the ATI card, you buy the drivers, too. People who don't own the ATI card don't own the drivers, nor do they have them installed. If you complain about the quality of the drivers, you're really complaining about the quality of the hardware product you bought (card + drivers).
Basically, I get pissed-off at people who say things like, "oh Creative makes good sound cards but their drivers are shit." WHICH IS IT? Either the drivers are shit, and thus the product is shit, or the product is good, and thus the drivers are good. Can't have it both ways.
@El_Heffe said:
Actually you can. (Google "force BSOD") You can create a registry key which will cause a BSOD if you hold down the right Ctrl key and press Scroll-Lock twice. However, according to this Microsoft KB article in Vista or later it only works if you have a PS/2 keyboard. If you have a USB keyboard you can "fix" this "problem" by installing a hotfix for the keyboard driver.
It doesn't count if it's for debugging. Now you're trolling. Trolly troll trollsalot!
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@blakeyrat said:
@El_Heffe said:
Now you're just trolling.
Nope.
When you buy the ATI card, you buy the drivers, too. People who don't own the ATI card don't own the drivers, nor do they have them installed. If you complain about the quality of the drivers, you're really complaining about the quality of the hardware product you bought (card + drivers).
Basically, I get pissed-off at people who say things like, "oh Creative makes good sound cards but their drivers are shit." WHICH IS IT? Either the drivers are shit, and thus the product is shit, or the product is good, and thus the drivers are good. Can't have it both ways.
There's a major difference, though, especially in the Internet Age. If the hardware (physical circuitry and chips) is bad, you're pretty much screwed. If the driver is bad, they can produce an updated driver, which you can download and install without having to change the hardware.
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@Mason Wheeler said:
There's a major difference, though, especially in the Internet Age. If the hardware (physical circuitry and chips) is bad, you're pretty much screwed. If the driver is bad, they can produce an updated driver, which you can download and install without having to change the hardware.
Same applies to the software in your car. The car is still considered a single product.
CAR ANALOGY!
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@blakeyrat said:
driver = harwdare
I can't fathom this.
You deny the possibility that perfectly good hardware can have a nasty bug in its driver?
Commercially, you can consider hardware + driver a single "hardware product". But that's not a very useful grouping when you're troubleshooting a bluescreen. More often than not, a bluescreen indicates faulty driver software, rather than phsycal damage or production error on the hardware.
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@dhromed said:
You deny the possibility that perfectly good hardware can have a nasty bug in its driver?
By your definition of the word "hardware", then of course not.
But by my definition, the driver is part of the hardware. So if the "perfectly good hardware" has a nasty bug, it's not really "perfectly good" now, is it? You install the product, it crashes all the time-- it doesn't matter *why* it crashes, the product is still shit. My issue here is with the definition of "hardware", which I think should include the related driver and you think should be separate.
Back to the car analogy: you buy a new car, but the software controlling the engine timing has a bug which causes it to sputter and jerk and die at intersections sometimes. There's nothing wrong with the physical construction of the engine, though. And the engine can be "fixed" by replacing the software without touching anything else. But do we as a society consider the physical engine and the software which drives it as different things? No. It's just an engine.
The software that drives the physical machine is considered part of the physical machine. This applies to cars, TVs, blenders, thermostats-- every single product in your house, except your PC. Why? That's just stupid. And we, as people who work with computers, should fix it.
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@blakeyrat said:
By your definition of the word "hardware", then of course not.
You mean his definition, my definition, and everyone else on the planet's definition, yes?
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@Master Chief said:
@blakeyrat said:
By your definition of the word "hardware", then of course not.
You mean his definition, my definition, and everyone else on the planet's definition, yes?Look. I gave my definition. I gave you my reasoning. What the fuck do you want?
Or did you post this just to point and laugh at me? "Oh look at the retard! He doesn't think the same way we do! He has different ideas than we do! MOCK HIM! MOCK HIM!" God knows it wouldn't be the IT industry without severe crippling groupthink.
Look, either agree or debate. If you're going to post shit like this, just don't bother.
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@blakeyrat said:
Look. I gave my definition. I gave you my reasoning. What the fuck do you want?
Your definition of hardware seriously falls apart when multiple operating system are in the picture. If a piece of hardware works flawlessly on Windows XP (due to good drivers from the vendor) and horribly on Windows Vista (due to bad drivers from the vendor), is the hardware good or bad?
...Look, either agree or debate. ...
On the other hand, most modem drivers and wireless NIC drivers contain the firmware and dump it to the hardware at startup. A lot of cheap RAID controllers do almost everything that the box says they do in the driver, not in the hardware. So sometimes the driver really should be considered part of the "product".
Then there's HP. I wouldn't take an HP scanner if you gave it to me. The drivers are so bad that I avoid the hardware like it's on fire.
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@Jaime said:
Your definition of hardware seriously falls apart when multiple operating system are in the picture. If a piece of hardware works flawlessly on Windows XP (due to good drivers from the vendor) and horribly on Windows Vista (due to bad drivers from the vendor), is the hardware good or bad?
Depends on whether you plug it into Windows XP or Vista, I guess.
I mean, a 2-door car might be good for a single guy cruising for chicks, but terrible for a family of 6, right? Same deal.
@Jaime said:
Then there's HP. I wouldn't take an HP scanner if you gave it to me. The drivers are so bad that I avoid the hardware like it's on fire.
Canon makes good scanners, and as a bonus their CanoScan LiDE brand are USB-powered, so no power cord to keep track of.
EDIT: While I'm here, to make the standard Fallout thread hijack-- Fallout New Vegas: Dead Money is by far the best DLC I've ever played. My only complaint is that they didn't spend another 6 months and expand it into a full-length game, but honestly it's fucking amazing. Even better than the Oblivion Shivering Isles DLC.
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@blakeyrat said:
But by my definition, the driver is part of the hardware. So if the "perfectly good hardware" has a nasty bug, it's not really "perfectly good" now, is it? You install the product, it crashes all the time-- it doesn't matter *why* it crashes, the product is still shit. My issue here is with the definition of "hardware", which I think should include the related driver and you think should be separate.
I see your point.
Then I also think you should be calling it "product" at all time, instead of using the words "hardware" and "product" interchangeably, as you've done in the above post.
My point is that it's highly impractical to define it your way when we're among techs, talking about troubleshooting a bluescreen. Hardware faults and driver faults have very different causes and very different solutions. They're separate components living under separate circumstances, sometimes originating from separate sources. It's beyond useless to call them both "hardware" when there's a problem.
It's fine for the consumer. He buys a hardware product, which includes the material components and its driver software. A hardware consists of these two components as a whole, but calling them both "hardware" is confusing and helps nobody.
On a different note, I personally treat the OS as part of the hardware, even though it strictly is not. I will not pirate an OS because it's the foundation of my computer system and I don't have the patience to work it like a ninja if it fails in some way.
Also, what about Red Dead Redemption? Is it cool?
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@blakeyrat said:
Look. I gave my definition. I gave you my reasoning. What the fuck do you want?
Or did you post this just to point and laugh at me? "Oh look at the retard! He doesn't think the same way we do! He has different ideas than we do! MOCK HIM! MOCK HIM!" God knows it wouldn't be the IT industry without severe crippling groupthink.
Look, either agree or debate. If you're going to post shit like this, just don't bother.
Oh please, you make it sound like I'm the king, sitting on the throne, laughing at you for thinking the Earth is round. I have no intention of mocking you, but if you're going to use weird ass definitions as such instead of the ACTUAL, FACTUAL one, then don't be surprised when A: Everyone has a hard time understanding you and B: Everyone makes fun of you because you sound like you have no idea what you're talking about.
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@Jaime said:
Then there's HP. I wouldn't take an HP scanner if you gave it to me. The drivers are so bad that I avoid the hardware like it's on fire.
I've got HP ScanJet 5590, and never had any problems with drivers. However, this is a scanner for business use, which might be the reason (though I don't remember any serious problems with their other scanners either - unlike their multifunction devices).@blakeyrat said:Canon makes good scanners, and as a bonus their CanoScan LiDE brand are USB-powered, so no power cord to keep track of.
Aren't all CIS scanners USB-powered nowadays?
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@dhromed said:
My point is that it's highly impractical to define it your way when we're among techs, talking about troubleshooting a bluescreen. Hardware faults and driver faults have very different causes and very different solutions. They're separate components living under separate circumstances, sometimes originating from separate sources. It's beyond useless to call them both "hardware" when there's a problem.
Well, that's part of the problem. If people buy a defective card that's defective because the driver sucks, they might not return it for being defective because they think to themselves, "oh I can find a new driver and make it work." Well, maybe you can, but you shouldn't: as shipped, the hardware was defective, you should return it so you don't reward the company that sold it for selling defective hardware. (And in most cases, you can't really fix the driver issue on your own anyway, especially on Vista and 7.)
There's so many people who reward companies for producing crap right now, is it any wonder that companies like Sony don't even fucking attempt to make non-crap?
@Master Chief said:
Oh please, you make it sound like I'm the king, sitting on the throne, laughing at you for thinking the Earth is round. I have no intention of mocking you, but if you're going to use weird ass definitions as such instead of the ACTUAL, FACTUAL one, then don't be surprised when A: Everyone has a hard time understanding you and B: Everyone makes fun of you because you sound like you have no idea what you're talking about.
So you're fuzzy on what I'm talking about, and you think the correct response is to make fun of me for being different, like you were some kind of mind-controlled-by-Martian-grasshoppers temporarily-telepathic mob from the end of Quatermass and The Pit? Did the thought of, maybe, asking for clarification ever come up?
Fine; then tell me straight-up: what was the purpose of that post? What were you trying to accomplish? What were you contributing to the conversation? In your own words. Be honest.
@ender said:
Aren't all CIS scanners USB-powered nowadays?
I guess that depends on what CIS stands for? You mean Commonwealth of Independent States? Are you asking if all Russian scanners are USB-powered?
(And Master Chief thinks *I'm* the one who's confusing! At least I don't pull TLAs out of my ass.)
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never had any problems with drivers
It's not necessarily bugs or anything, just the sheer amount of frankly shit that comes with them that nobody needs or wants. A dedicated update program? A custom program that duplicates the functionality of page setup? HP's web store? JUST GO AWAY.
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@blakeyrat said:
I guess that depends on what CIS stands for?
CIS is the type of sensor the scanner has (it stands for Contact Image Sensor; the other type is CCD - Charge-Coupled Device).@nexekho said:It's not necessarily bugs or anything, just the sheer amount of frankly shit that comes with them that nobody needs or wants.
Nothing like that with my 5590, and for most others, you can download crap-free drivers (look for packages labeled "for system administrators only").
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@ender said:
@blakeyrat said:
I guess that depends on what CIS stands for?
CIS is the type of sensor the scanner has (it stands for Contact Image Sensor; the other type is CCD - Charge-Coupled Device).Oh.
My impression with the Canon scanners is that the LiDE in the name refers to the type of sensor. Since you obviously work with scanners enough that you're under the delusion that "CIS" is a commonly-known acronym, you probably already know more than me about the subject.
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@blakeyrat said:
So you're fuzzy on what I'm talking about, and you think the correct response is to make fun of me for being different, like you were some kind of mind-controlled-by-Martian-grasshoppers temporarily-telepathic mob from the end of Quatermass and The Pit? Did the thought of, maybe, asking for clarification ever come up?
Because I didn't think I was fuzzy, I thought I was talking to someone who didn't know the distinction between driver and hardware (frankly, I'm still not positive you do.)And the purpose was to illustrate that by using your non-conventional "definitions", you're making it magnitudes harder to convey your experiences and ideas to others without sounding like a nit-wit. If you don't want to listen that's fine, but I can almost promise you that this pattern will repeat itself.
It doesn't make it group-think to do that, it simplifies communication. The same reason TCP traffic is standardized, so that everyone understands what you're saying.
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@havokk said:
can I recommend a pistol full of bullets rather than a hypo full of drugs, at least as far as Mr Boll's movies are concerned?
Bad idea. Too quick, too painless. I'd recommend sticking with the syringes, but replacing the content with hydrochloric acid or something like that.
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@Anonymouse said:
I'd recommend sticking with the syringes, but replacing the content with hydrochloric acid
Burnnnnnnn!
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@dhromed said:
Digesssssssst.@Anonymouse said:
I'd recommend sticking with the syringes, but replacing the content with hydrochloric acid
Burnnnnnnn!
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@blakeyrat said:
@Jaime said:
Nope. "Not fit for purpose" is different from "bad". Your 2-door car would be a better analogy for entry-level video card with good drivers, not a high-end video card with iffy drivers.Your definition of hardware seriously falls apart when multiple operating system are in the picture. If a piece of hardware works flawlessly on Windows XP (due to good drivers from the vendor) and horribly on Windows Vista (due to bad drivers from the vendor), is the hardware good or bad?
Depends on whether you plug it into Windows XP or Vista, I guess.I mean, a 2-door car might be good for a single guy cruising for chicks, but terrible for a family of 6, right? Same deal.
@blakeyrat said:
@Jaime said:
I like Kodak personally. I did a good bit of TWAIN programming a few jobs ago and found than Kodak makes rock-solid hardware and the drivers never surprised me. HP stuff tended to pop up a dialog when certain TWAIN calls were made -- very annoying. I have no experience with Cannon.Then there's HP. I wouldn't take an HP scanner if you gave it to me. The drivers are so bad that I avoid the hardware like it's on fire.
Canon makes good scanners, and as a bonus their CanoScan LiDE brand are USB-powered, so no power cord to keep track of.
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@Jaime said:
I have no experience with Cannon.
I have a Canon Lide and it's reliable and the software's great. So there.
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@Jaime said:
Nope. "Not fit for purpose" is different from "bad". Your 2-door car would be a better analogy for entry-level video card with good drivers, not a high-end video card with iffy drivers.
Well, if the analogies are bad, ignore them. That just means I'm shitty at coming up with good analogies.
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Analogies are like a bad analogy. I'd avoid them when making a specific point.
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rofl, whenever I see a 3+ page thread in "Side Bar" or "General Discussion" I just know it's going to involve blakey, and it's guaranteed to be a hilarious read.
btw, just to introduce Godwin's Law into this thread, by someone's definition of "cool" Hitler was a pretty cool guy.
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@dhromed said:
Analogies are like a bad analogy.
Not quite. Analogies are more like a poor metaphor, in this case.@dhromed said:
I'd avoid them when making a specific point.
Which one?
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@RHuckster said:
rofl, whenever I see a 3+ page thread in "Side Bar" or "General Discussion" I just know it's going to involve blakey, and it's guaranteed to be a hilarious read.
blakey's law?
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@intertravel said:
@dhromed said:
I think one of us is confused, as I think a metaphor is a specific type of analogy. And if you were referring to what dhromed said, it's a simile (the word "like" is a dead giveaway).Analogies are like a bad analogy.
Not quite. Analogies are more like a poor metaphor, in this case.
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@Zecc said:
@intertravel said:
You're confused - I wasn't being serious.@dhromed said:
I think one of us is confused, as I think a metaphor is a specific type of analogy.Analogies are like a bad analogy.
Not quite. Analogies are more like a poor metaphor, in this case.
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@intertravel said:
@Zecc said:
@intertravel said:
You're confused - I wasn't being serious.@dhromed said:
I think one of us is confused, as I think a metaphor is a specific type of analogy.Analogies are like a bad analogy.
Not quite. Analogies are more like a poor metaphor, in this case.Yeah, yeah, that's everyone's excuse.No, I wasn't confused. I wasn't being serious either.
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@RHuckster said:
rofl, whenever I see a 3+ page thread in "Side Bar" or "General Discussion" I just know it's going to involve blakey, and it's guaranteed to be a hilarious read.
I'll take that to mean you think I'm hilarious, which is awesome.
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@blakeyrat said:
I'll take that to mean you think I'm hilarious, which is awesome.
I think it's awesome that you can take it that way. Now that's the kind of life skill they never teach you at school.
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@serguey123 said:
@blakeyrat said:
@serguey123 said:
Microsoft had a mayor hardware problem with the xbox360. I lost an Elite to that.
Feh! Anybody with an Xbox "lost" about 40,000 Elites playing Halo!^This comeback is lame
@blakeyrat said:
@serguey123 said:
Don't get me wrong I like the xbox, I was an early adopter, but it is fucking annoying to get a faulty, imcomplete piece of hardware.
Even the crappy launch day ones (mine lasted, BTW, almost a full four years) were about as good as PCs.The real problem is that Microsoft somehow thought that people would leave their console on the floor, or in an open cupboard, and didn't (stupidly) anticipate that people put them in entertainment centers with little compartments for each device and then close the door. Usually right next to or above a receiver that's pumping out 150 degrees of heat with no fan. I'm sure by the time Microsoft realized the flaw through in-home testing, it was too late to correct it. (Especially since correcting it properly took a couple years.) Again, yeah, no excusing Microsoft here: they definitely pushed out a lot of bad hardware that wasn't fit for its purpose
You got lucky, I didn't, that is life. Mine had a lot of airflow and airconditioning, I even bougth the thingie you attached to the back with the extra fans but it died fairly quickly, the one I have now have been error free except for a small software issue that was rapidly resolved and was partly my fault.
It is funny how now they put heat dissipation mechanisms in every piece of hardware they release, even when it is overkill
Yeah, but my hand gets mega tired pushing around this MS mouse with the two-pound heatsink on it.
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@operagost said:
@serguey123 said:
@blakeyrat said:
@serguey123 said:
Microsoft had a mayor hardware problem with the xbox360. I lost an Elite to that.
Feh! Anybody with an Xbox "lost" about 40,000 Elites playing Halo!^This comeback is lame
@blakeyrat said:
@serguey123 said:
Don't get me wrong I like the xbox, I was an early adopter, but it is fucking annoying to get a faulty, imcomplete piece of hardware.
Even the crappy launch day ones (mine lasted, BTW, almost a full four years) were about as good as PCs.The real problem is that Microsoft somehow thought that people would leave their console on the floor, or in an open cupboard, and didn't (stupidly) anticipate that people put them in entertainment centers with little compartments for each device and then close the door. Usually right next to or above a receiver that's pumping out 150 degrees of heat with no fan. I'm sure by the time Microsoft realized the flaw through in-home testing, it was too late to correct it. (Especially since correcting it properly took a couple years.) Again, yeah, no excusing Microsoft here: they definitely pushed out a lot of bad hardware that wasn't fit for its purpose
You got lucky, I didn't, that is life. Mine had a lot of airflow and airconditioning, I even bougth the thingie you attached to the back with the extra fans but it died fairly quickly, the one I have now have been error free except for a small software issue that was rapidly resolved and was partly my fault.
It is funny how now they put heat dissipation mechanisms in every piece of hardware they release, even when it is overkill
Yeah, but my hand gets mega tired pushing around this MS mouse with the two-pound heatsink on it.
In the case you are joking---> buy logitech, crappy software good hardware (this should get blakey riled)
In the case you are not joking or don't know what I was reffering to ---> http://gizmodo.com/5682023/microsoft-kinect-gutted-four-microphones-three-cameras-and-one-very-important-fan
