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dhromed

@Zecc said:

Getting 100% sync is hard.

Getting 100% is pointless, you mean.

@Zecc said:

educational

I really loved those history tidbits!

@dhromed said:

@Zecc said:
Getting 100% sync is hard.

Getting 100% is pointless, you mean.

I would only do it for pride/OCD sake.

I didn't reach 100% sync in original AC and AC 2. I may come to reach 100% in ACBro only because I'm close to it already. Plus, I still enjoy just playing the game for fun.

As for solving all "the truth" puzzles... meh, we'll see.

Oh, and for those who don't know the game: it's not very glitchy, but still it is glitchy.

Sometimes it complete freezes my PS3 (well, the music keeps playing, which is interesting). I can't even call the system menu. This has happened to me in all of the three games I've played, both while loading and while playing. In the first game I could still turn the camera around, actually;
There was this one time I couldn't progress on the story because, although the icon for mission start was on the map, the trigger wasn't there on the level. This survived even a couple of reboots, and I was afraid I had a corrupt saved game. Then the situation solved itself somehow;
I can routinely loot guards while they are dropping out of the avatar's reach. I kind of like this and consider it a feature;
I once saw a guy riding a horse over water;
I once wanted to drop down from a roof and kill a guard right below, but it decided to horizontally jump over 3 or 4 other buildings and kill another guard in the neighborhood. Due to the high velocity of the move, I died too.

Renan

@Zecc said:

What I like about Assassin's Creed is that it is educational.

If you were a notorious criminal in Renaissance Rome, one way to lower your notoriety was to kill a witness among passersby in broad daylight. Who would have guessed?

It's a neural network thing. The neural networks around you learn that if they see you (and thus they become valid witnesses), they might meet the garbage collector in a few minutes. The networks that don't learn that end up dead.

BTW I'm playing this game too, and I'm eager to try multiplayer.

dhromed

[quote user="Renan "C#" Sousa"]I'm eager to try multiplayer.[/quote]

Try the tutorial first. I was completely put off by it.

It's nothing at all like the tactical assassination missions in the single-player game. In fact, the controls are different. I don't really get it, but the mouse acceleration is completely drunk in the multiplayer version.

The multiplayer world is populated by endless copies of the limited set of avatars, and you get a radar that points to your target. Forget about hiding in the flower carts; you will be found.

In short, it made me go WTF and I ragequit.

dhromed

@Zecc said:

As for solving all "the truth" puzzles... meh, we'll see.

Yeah. AC2's reward for solving the truth was... a short video clip.

I'm not as motivated to solve AC3's puzzles.

@Zecc said:

still it is glitchy.

PS3 version, I guess. I haven't experienced such glitches on PC, save for the looting, which falls under the category "surprise feature", in addition to being able to fly horizontally when you Jump-Assassinate a running target

intertravel

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@intertravel said:
If GTA is about my limit for RPGness, does that mean Fallout's going to be too much?

GTA has no RPGness at all. San Andreas had stats for skils with weapons and driving, and muscle strength, but it can hardly be called RPG.

I don't think I agree about that. Aside from quibbling over whether weapons and cars can be counted as stats in the same way - I'd say yes, but YMMV - I don't think stats are what makes an RPG. It's more about the balance between telling the story and playing the game, for me. Last time I played GTA, the wife had been playing Fable 3, and the similarities were striking. Run around, do missions, find out the plot of the game. There's a difference in balance, of course, and RPGness isn't a discrete category so much as an attribute that a game can have more or less of.

Games like (er...) Counterstrike, or whatever this season's F1 sim is, have absolutely zero story - you just run around shooting people, or drive the car, or whatnot. Pure RPGs have next-to-no button-pressing action. Many FPSs have small elements of RPGness in them - they have a plot and so on, but the main point is to shoot accurately. Somewhere in the middle are games like GTA, Ass Creed, and so-on, where the balance is a bit more towards telling the story and developing your character than in a pure shoot-em-up, or like Fable where it's a bit more towards the RPG end of the spectrum.

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@intertravel said:
I don't particularly care about 'ugly'
:O :O :O
As Blakarkat would say: We can never be friends.

OK, maybe would be better to say that I think almost all games are ass-ugly. Not talking about graphics quality there, though, but the general look. I'd say that Need For Speed Porsche 2k is quite possibly the only game I've ever played which I'd describe as pretty - the graphics weren't at all impressive by modern standards, but the world was a beautiful place to drive through. They did a really good job of capturing the (visual) feel of driving a good car on empty country roads on a nice day. In terms of pure graphical quality, GTA varies between immensely impressive when you're standing still facing the right direction, and absolutely rubbish when you're moving fast in the wrong direction, but at no point is it really pretty - it's grim and grimy by design.

dhromed

@intertravel said:

There's a difference in balance, of course, and RPGness isn't a discrete category so much as an attribute that a game can have more or less of.

I agree with this. So heads up: Fallout 3 has a lot of it, but not as much as WoW.

I would say that all GTAs up to SA have zero RPG elements (unless you count missions == quests), and GTA:San Andreas has very very minor character stats that don't really factor into gameplay much. Because of that I cannot call GTA:SA remotely comparable to an RPG.

@intertravel said:

In terms of pure graphical quality, GTA varies between immensely impressive when you're standing still facing the right direction

Wait, which GTA are you talking about? GTA IV, with the Russian, was the first modern good-looking GTA. All the earlier ones were relatively okay-looking by the standards of the day. GTA Vice City sported the popular "ran out of texture money" look, and was by and large the ugliest of all. GTA2 had a special simplistic but smooth aesthetic that I really liked.

GTA IV has more character stats, which may or may not qualify it as more of an 'RPG', but I never played it so I can't comment in detail.

@intertravel said:

OK, maybe would be better to say that I think almost all games are ass-ugly.

Hah! You've never played the Assassin's Creeds? Half-life 2? These are truly lovely games. Try walking around Venice in AC2. Fallout 3 looks pretty great as well.

Note: in AssCreed, the weapons have stats, but they're just for show as all you can do is score a Hit or a Kill. There's zero granularity in the damage department.

blakeyrat

It occurs to me that if you really want GTA-but-with-RPG-like-stats, you should be playing Crackdown. Which is basically the perfect open-world game. (Warning: do NOT under any circumstances play Crackdown 2!)

@Zecc said:

If you were a notorious criminal in Renaissance Rome, one way to lower your notoriety was to kill a witness among passersby in broad daylight. Who would have guessed?

The only things I learned from AssCreed were:

1) When you listen-in to a conversation through a steel ventilation duct from a metal-walled bathroom, you can't really hear shit from the other side.
2) Riding a horse, even a horse you own, is illegal and cops will chase you for it.

That lead to the third thing I learned, which was: Assassin's Creed is a shitty game.

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