In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard
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@anonymous234 said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
@pie_flavor said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
and put an extra license clause in the Sponge versions that forbids you from porting them to Spigot
I hope you're not depending on anything GPL because it
might have some disagreements with that clause.will give you cancer - even if you're not in CA!Fixed.
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@pie_flavor said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
@Unperverted-Vixen said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
@pie_flavor said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
I plan to port all of my FOSS Sponge plugins to Spigot, but sell them there as closed-source, and put a big fat banner on the page that says that you'll get them for free if you switch to Sponge, and put an extra license clause in the Sponge versions that forbids you from porting them to Spigot.
Aren't they no longer FOSS at that point, just OSS?
The Spigot version and the Sponge version would be two totally separate pieces of software. The Spigot version would be proprietary and sold per copy. The Sponge version would be open-source and free.
When you put in an extra clause that forbids porting, it's open source and free-as-beer but not free-as-liberty, i.e. it's not FOSS.
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@Gąska said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
@error I omitted some key facts to make the narrative smoother.
Hey! We're not in the Garage!
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@error said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
Capitalists gonna capitalize.
CAPITALISTS GONNA CAPITALIZE
ftfy
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@Mason_Wheeler said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
@admiral_p said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
OTOH, Stallman is always right, or he will be, sooner or later.
This is true. And if he weren't so horribly abrasive about it, maybe more people would listen!
I'm not sure about that, or how he'd have to be to have people listen to him. Sure, he is pretty physically disgusting, but people who ignore the truth he speaks because of that would ignore him otherwise, too.
The problem seems to be that he's fighting an unwinnable fight. His last big attempt was GPLv3 to fight against tivoization and things technically running on FOSS software and yet consumers still not being free to use/customize the things they paid for. The GLPv3 was then shunned by pretty much everybody as being way too broad and overreaching and, really, fighting a problem that doesn't exist. But it does and exactly what RMS predicted is happening / has happened.
So you could say his bleak predictions of the dangers to customers' software freedom have all been consistently right, just his attempts at fighting it are doomed to fail.
@El_Heffe said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
@admiral_p said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
OTOH, Stallman is always right, or he will be, sooner or later.
No. Stallman is a crackpot who is best ignored.
Wrong. He is a crackpot who is always right.
@error said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
@El_Heffe said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
And 99.9% of the people in the world are perfectly fine with that.
I would be fine with it if binary blobs were actually portable.
Funnily enough, according to RMS himself his journey started when he couldn't fix his goddamn broken printer driver. Guess what thread I would not have created if I could just fix the open source printer driver to not fucking refuse to print. So no, I am not fine with this.
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@error said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
the npm ecosystem treats Windows like a second class citizen.
Windows is a second class citizen
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@_P_ Nobody said he was psychic. He's simply very smart.
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@_P_ said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
Gen-Z and the even younger generations don't even bother to learn coding well.
This isn't a generation specific issue.
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@Gąska I was thinking specifically about US and Poland when writing that. Obviously, Czechs should adjust it to 7 figures to be technically correct. :)
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@_P_ said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
Gen-Z and the even younger generations don't even bother to learn coding well. They mostly hide inside their comfort zone in r/learnprogramming reddit and all kinds of "learn coding" discords feeling good at solving elementary programming tasks in an hour, and the best they can do is maybe code a shitty discord bot or two.
Facebook groups on that topic are the most cancerous. You get there types who "want to get into coding" and keep seeking advice on which perfect book there is so they can put it under their pillow and gain instant insight overnight. They do it for years. This is not even a "learner" badge, this is a "learner wannabe" badge.
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@thegoryone said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
Nobody I've ever met in the UK shares that view.
Don't worry, your brexit overlords are working real hard to make at least three British pounds sell for one Polish złoty.
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@admiral_p We needed a new ink printer for something at my school and bought one of those printers with external ink tanks - this way we'll at least never have that particular problem anymore.
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@wft that'll help with exports. Pity that the UK has very little to export these days
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Millennials already knew open source was hard. But it was worth the work in 2008, when millions were hustling to get a job. Today? Maybe not so much.
It can still be worth the work for entrepreneurs though. Just not for resume building.
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@admiral_p said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
@wft that'll help with exports. Pity that the UK has very little to export these days
Of course there is! We've got a massive excess of bullish optimism and stupidity being produced in the government, for example.
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@admiral_p said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
The bitching about inkjet thread is
I think this belongs here.
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@dkf said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
@admiral_p said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
@wft that'll help with exports. Pity that the UK has very little to export these days
Of course there is! We've got a massive excess of bullish optimism and stupidity being produced in the government, for example.
I wasn't able to find any information on international markets for manure; most of it seems to be produced and used on a local or regional scale. I don't think there's much of an export market for it.
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@HardwareGeek said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
international markets for manure
It's called international politics
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@Mingan That's primarily the producer. As far as I can tell, there's not really a willing consumer.
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@DogsB said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
I think this belongs here.
My Lord, he's gotten old or I have or both. Last time I read an interview with him, he didn't sound like such a lunatic. I guess maybe senility has advanced for him and cynicism has advanced for me.
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@heterodox I guess I am vaguely sympathetic to him for trying to defend Marvin Minsky. Nobody wants to think the worst of their heroes or friends. But Marvin was a naughty boy, at best.
Just say no to billionaire sex island parties.
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@Captain said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
Just say no to billionaire sex island parties.
I'm going to build my own sex island party, with blackjack and hookers!
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@heterodox I can't believe I just read through the whole info packet for his speeches. Holy, bloody hell. The Register linked to it but I mirror it here for anyone else who finds logging in to Google Groups annoying.
I particularly like the bizarre attitude of "I don't want Big Brother knowing where I am, who I am, or who I'm talking to... but yeah, I'll give a public interview/speech." [Or provide info packets with culinary preferences, travel preferences, music preferences, temperature preferences, pet preferences...]
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@heterodox I mean, I think it's a good idea, if a bit eccentric. He's given so many speeches that he gets sick of getting asked the same questions over and over, and explaining his being weird in the same way over and over, and making the same requests and refusals in back-and-forths over and over, that he's just said 'fuck it' and published all of the answers and conditions and preferences and weirdnesses whatnot in advance, so the absolute minimum amount of time can be wasted interacting with people.
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@pie_flavor said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
the absolute minimum amount of time can be wasted interacting with people.
A worthy goal.
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@_P_ said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
You must think that nobody was predicting global warming back in 1997.
How can someone predict a lie?
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@_P_ said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
@Mason_Wheeler said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
@_P_ said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
Because that couldn't be more predictable
Everything looks predictable in hindsight, but who else was actually predicting it in 1997?
You must think that nobody was predicting global warming back in 1997.
They taught it in my school in the 90s. They called it "the greenhouse effect" and it was presented as simple fact, nothing controversial about it.
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@loopback0 said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
@_P_ said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
Gen-Z and the even younger generations don't even bother to learn coding well.
This isn't a generation specific issue.
Yeah I get it, you wanted to say "but every generation has lots of bad coders". To this I'd answer you with, "only this current generation would matter because they're the ones churning out most of the code out there".
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@_P_ said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
because they're the ones churning out most of the code out there
At the moment. This will pass. Sic transit excremento mundi.
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@_P_ said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
@loopback0 said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
@_P_ said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
Gen-Z and the even younger generations don't even bother to learn coding well.
This isn't a generation specific issue.
Yeah I get it, you wanted to say "but every generation has lots of bad coders". To this I'd answer you with, "only this current generation would matter because they're the ones churning out most of the code out there".
Are you calling for education reform in India?
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@error said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
@_P_ said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
@Mason_Wheeler said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
@_P_ said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
Because that couldn't be more predictable
Everything looks predictable in hindsight, but who else was actually predicting it in 1997?
You must think that nobody was predicting global warming back in 1997.
They taught it in my school in the 90s. They called it "the greenhouse effect" and it was presented as simple fact, nothing controversial about it.
The greenhouse effect is a more general principle, and is a normal part of a planet with an atmosphere. (Not to say that that's not what they called AGW when they taught it to you - terms tend to get warped when they're used by climate activists, e.g. "climate change".)
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Well they specifically mentioned it was caused by CO2 and was increasing over time.
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Guys, we have climate change threads in the Salon and in the Garage. Please go there if you want to discuss that further.
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@_P_ said in In which millenials realize maintaining open source stuff is hard:
Yeah I get it, you wanted to say "but every generation has lots of bad coders".
No I wanted to say what I actually said. I'm strange like that.