Nobody shares knowledge better than this
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Wild Birds Stones and SSDS how Mystical is that
@RHuckster said:
My favorite Wild Bird didn't do anything either? By all rights He/She's strange appearance in my backyard would be a very powerful mystical sign.... Look deep deep into WhiteCrows eye... BooThe jpeg artifacts in your photo of the stones must be interfering with their mystical powers because I don't feel any different than I did before seeing the stones.
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Calm down RHucksterSwamp
@RHuckster said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
Why upgrade to VB6 when it won't run SSDS right from the get go.
*bangs* *head* *on* *desk*
We're talking about you upgrading SSDS to support VB6 so that people don't need a time machine to install your piece of shit software.
@SpectateSwamp said:
I'm sure that I had it running on VB6 at one time. But that was 8 or 9 years ago and a lot of stuff has changed.
Funny, that's just around the time VB6 was released.
@SpectateSwamp said:
MS should sell me the VB5 Program and we'll all become partners.
MS won't even let you enter their building to take a piss.
@SpectateSwamp said:
Well maybe more unexcitible than lazy. Real lazy people wouldn't be sucking up all this data manipulating knowledge. They would have gone long ago. I was hoping there would be the odd watcher / yapper that would get around to doing something with this SUPER app.
Out of the hundreds of people who visit this forum every day, only a handful even bother responding to your posts. And out of that handful nobody has said anything good about your product. Software has the disadvantage that if it's useless, it's even more useless than a physical product, because with a physical product you could often find other uses for it, such as a surface to put stuff on, a doorstop, or a paperweight. The fact that you believe, despite the many people telling you otherwise, that SSDS is the end-all-be-all of software shows that you have some serious issues with denial.
@SpectateSwamp said:
As far as being easier than SSDS. Just think in MINUTES a non - programmer can be changing and running their own version of SSDS. Will you ever get that chance with WDS? Could anybody here wrap their head around WDS if given the opportunity? Most most probably not. And surely not the stupidest man on Earth ---- Impossible!!!
You're right about the last point. Somehow entering your search term into WDS and getting results went beyond your comprehension. For the other 6,999,999,999 people on earth, though, they could wrap their heads around WDS. I don't understand what you can't wrap your head around: Enter term into box: get shit back. What is your major malfunction? Did you put your files you wanted to search in an indexed folder like My Documents or did you put them in a retarded place like your windows system directory where by default WDS doesn't even search in? In a thread a while back you said WDS couldn't search very large text files, yet nobody else has complained but you, because you have this crazy notion that putting all of your documents into a single text file is something not only people do, but what people should embrace.
As for your comment, "In MINUTES" I have Windows 7, which comes WITH WDS, so it takes me no time at all to run it. And it's so good, it doesn't even need changing. Did you hear that? Windows Desktop Search is so good, it doesn't even NEED CHANGING!
You can sure type when you are mad mad mad RHucksterSwamp
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@SpectateSwamp said:
You can sure type when you are mad mad mad RHucksterSwamp
Of course I'm mad. Just as I thought you would, you didn't answer a single point I made in that last post.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Why upgrade to VB6 when it won't run SSDS right from the get go.
I was wondering why you don't update the source to the point it will compile under VB6, at least then there is a chance people might be able to play around with the source.@SpectateSwamp said:
As far as being easier than SSDS. Just think in MINUTES a non - programmer can be changing and running their own version of SSDS. Will you ever get that chance with WDS? Could anybody here wrap their head around WDS if given the opportunity? Most most probably not. And surely not the stupidest man on Earth ---- Impossible!!!
I did not ask about how a user could edit the source (they wouldn't want to), or compile their own version (they wouldn't want to and can't get hold of a compiler even if they did) but I was asking for simple step by step instructions on how they would use SSRR to perform a few simple tasks.I will take you utter refusal to provide a simple list of the 3 or 4 steps (surely it isn't more than that) as a complete admission of failure on your part to prove that SSRR is easy to use. In fact I am willing to try and perform the steps I outlined above with SSRR myself, just to give a comparison and hopefully a source of amusement to others. I am not going to do it right now as I am in work and as such do not have a supply of alcohol to hand. I refuse to use SSRR without something to block out the harsher bits of reality.
@SpectateSwamp said:
A little Object Oriented front end to pass the 3 main prompts to a background SSDS would do for a start.
You obviously have no idea what you are on about, SSRR's front end (as you call it) is utterly intertwined with what passes for the back end logic, there is no way to simply add a skin to this mess (this has been pointed out to you before, you either ignored it or failed to understand it).This is a reason why we criticise spaghetti coding, it makes changing things difficult, if the logic was cleanly split into it's own set of modules / classes with a well defined interface then replacing the front end would be trivial. The current inability to separate the UI from the logic is a direct result of your insistence on using out dated and generally poor coding practices.
@SpectateSwamp said:
Famous Short video / build demo.
Yes. Wouldn't a zip file containing the full project to SSRR not be a lot easier for people, forcing someone to watch a video of you creating a form just to get a project is pretty mental. Any other sane individual would just provide a project you could open and compile straight away.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@b-redeker said:
Anybody wanting to make the Proper installler? You got a nasty twitch there!@SpectateSwamp said:
The exe is at: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/stonedan/search.exe
Yes, distributing a VB5 exe without a proper installler will get you many users. Well done.
What you do is, you jam the "Package and Deployment" noodle. In the wizard, you random random the project, then click package in the nice nice OO skin solution, and swamp your medicin stone. Then, you post that (instead of a bare.exe),
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@b-redeker said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
Anybody wanting to make the Proper installler? You got a nasty twitch there!The exe is at: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/stonedan/search.exe
Yes, distributing a VB5 exe without a proper installler will get you many users. Well done.
Yeah, I bet the twitch isn't from the itch to fix your "app", but rather from nerve damage recieved from attempted usage of the software without proper protection (aka: alcohol).
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Well maybe more unexcitible than lazy. Real lazy people wouldn't be sucking up all this data manipulating knowledge. They would have gone long ago. I was hoping there would be the odd watcher / yapper that would get around to doing something with this SUPER app. As far as being easier than SSDS. Just think in MINUTES a non - programmer can be changing and running their own version of SSDS. Will you ever get that chance with WDS? Could anybody here wrap their head around WDS if given the opportunity? Most most probably not. And surely not the stupidest man on Earth ---- Impossible!!!
I did say I would do this, the alcohol is in reaching distance so here we go.To give a reasonable number of files to search I downloaded the flickr.net source (I fancy having a play with connecting to flickr anyway), the source can be obtained at this link if you care to check.
On the video (because I know swampie loves them so) for WDS I deliberately do a couple of searches before unzipping the file to prove there has been no preconfigured chicanery. The video can be found here - I hope all sane people can see how quickly the results are there, how I can also sort and group etc. Note the results are files of any type that contain the word I am searching for.
I then attempted to use SSRR to perform a merge and search the results, unfortunately I think I might need a bit of help to perfect my SSRR skills (god alone knows how a non-techie or a non reader of this forum would cope).
The full SSRR experience can be found here - I would appreciate any valid comments comparing the usability and effectivenes of the two approaches.
If swampie ever gets the urge to watch the videos and respond then I would appreciate his honest comments and any help he can offer to improve the SSRR attempt.
That is all.
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@spenk said:
The full SSRR experience can be found here - I would appreciate any valid comments comparing the usability and effectivenes of the two approaches.
SSRR footage should be at http://www.screencast.com/t/YzY1M2Ew I managed to break things.
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Uhm... interesting... so, with WDS, I merely enter text into a "text box" and I get results that are relevant on my computer, sorted/organized in a variety of ways, huh?
But, with SSRR, I can click on a program and (after acknowledging that the program might be unsafe) then press enter several times, optionally changing some of the default values of these dialogues?
Two questions. At what point did you actually *searched* for something in SSRR? It looked like a bunch of prep work. Second, what about videos and photos?
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Jammin Video with SSDS
@RHuckster said:
You made so many good points I'd be here all week just proving you wrong and why would I want to do that. The thing is: I can Jam my video, Jam my pictures even Jam the code if I like and you can't do any of them.@SpectateSwamp said:
You can sure type when you are mad mad mad RHucksterSwamp
Of course I'm mad. Just as I thought you would, you didn't answer a single point I made in that last post.
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@WeatherGod said:
Two questions. At what point did you actually *searched* for something in SSRR?
I couldn't actually get it to merge the files I wanted to search, there didn't seem any point in actually searching... I sem to remember a similar problem in the past, if I can figure out what the fix is I shall try again and show an actual search.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
You made so many good points I'd be here all week just proving you wrong and why would I want to do that.
You've been here for the past several months. What's another week?
@SpectateSwamp said:
The thing is: I can Jam my video, Jam my pictures even Jam the code if I like and you can't do any of them.
Instead of me looking back at thousands of posts in various threads, can you tell me once again just what "jamming" is?
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@WeatherGod said:
Two questions. At what point did you actually *searched* for something in SSRR? It looked like a bunch of prep work. Second, what about videos and photos?
I managed to dig up the fix, there is a config file you need to edit to allow different file extensions to be merged. The attached video now shows SSRR actually managing to merge some of the files I want to search and then them being searched! Note in reality the source code folder contains a few more file extensions than I bother with in this video - in reality you would need to add each in turn.I haven't done one for photos, videos, music etc as I was going to do the three scenarios I previously posted in order. However it works exactly the same in WDS - I need to figure out SSRR before I can do a video with it.
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@RHuckster said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
The thing is: I can Jam my video, Jam my pictures even Jam the code if I like and you can't do any of them.
Instead of me looking back at thousands of posts in various threads, can you tell me once again just what "jamming" is?
It's what you do when your noodle is random random.
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@spenk said:
New video is here
Well, that's the first time I've ever actually seen any searching done with SSDS. So it only accepts file extensions that are exactly 3 characters? Impressive!
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SpenkSwamp training SSDS
@spenk said:
Very good demo of text. But I'd do a screen reshoot. Because I just keep ONE simple text format called ".txt" I don't have to fiddle when doing a merge. I don't do many merges; maybe 2 a year, when really looking for specific notes in my textual data. When you start doing Photos, Videos, and Music. you'll be finding the fun part of SSDS.I haven't done one for photos, videos, music etc as I was going to do the three scenarios I previously posted in order. However it works exactly the same in WDS - I need to figure out SSRR before I can do a video with it.
Hint: When you are searching for text and want the results to show as a screen saver. Enter "pause" at prompt #2. This will do a timer and show each result for the time set using TT3 as an example for 3 seconds. Play with the character pause item #77 in control.txt. Text can still be fun.
Looking forward to the other demos...
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Very good demo of text.
Was it? It looked like a lot of messing around and things not working to me; after all I couldn't merge all the files I wanted and I couldn't figure out what the results really meant either. I certainly couldn't have easily found the files containing the term I searched for.@SpectateSwamp said:
But I'd do a screen reshoot.
Why?@SpectateSwamp said:
Because I just keep ONE simple text format called ".txt" I don't have to fiddle when doing a merge.
But many people don't keep all data in a plain text file with a .txt extension though. For these users this level of fiddling is required.@SpectateSwamp said:
I don't do many merges;
How else can I search multiple files though? I wanted to search through all the files in that folder structure, WDS let me - did you watch that video? SSRR requires this merge and even then it will not let me merge without editing a config file and some file types are still not allowed to be merged! How else can I use SSRR to search for a file? Even after running that search it wasn't obvious which files contained the search term anyway.@SpectateSwamp said:
Hint: When you are searching for text and want the results to show as a screen saver.
I have never, ever wanted my search results when looking for a file to be a screen saver. That is just utterly stupid.@SpectateSwamp said:
Enter "pause" at prompt #2. This will do a timer and show each result for the time set using TT3 as an example for 3 seconds. Play with the character pause item #77 in control.txt. Text can still be fun.
This is supposed to be obvious to who exactly? How is a normal, non-insane user supposed to remember this stuff?@SpectateSwamp said:
Looking forward to the other demos...
I am looking forward to your comments on comparing how WDS and SSRR search for a file first, I am certainly not going to waste any more of my time doing videos and enduring SSRR if you are going to ignore the WDS video.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Very good demo of text. But I'd do a screen reshoot. Because I just keep ONE simple text format called ".txt" I don't have to fiddle when doing a merge. I don't do many merges; maybe 2 a year, when really looking for specific notes in my textual data. When you start doing Photos, Videos, and Music. you'll be finding the fun part of SSDS.
Hint: When you are searching for text and want the results to show as a screen saver. Enter "pause" at prompt #2. This will do a timer and show each result for the time set using TT3 as an example for 3 seconds. Play with the character pause item #77 in control.txt. Text can still be fun.
Looking forward to the other demos...
You're a fucking idiot.
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tl;dr
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Very good demo of text.
Hang on a sec, you actually thought that video made SSRR look good? If so could you please explain how the SSRR one was a better tool for searching for a file compared to WDS which did it with virtually no effort and produced readable results.Even after I managed to do a search with SSRR I have no idea how many or which files contained the search term, how on earth is that a good search tool?
I had to repeatedly go through SSRR's random prompts, I never figured out what the first one of notes.txt meant. The second one gave no hint that merge was an option, the file extension prompt didn't accept xaml, config, proj or csproj, it defaulted to overwrite rather than append every time so that needed to be changed. If I had changed a single file in that folder I would have had to rebuild the entire index again, from scratch.
With the WDS one I just typed the words I wanted to search for and the files were found. No fuss, no mess, no effort and no confusion.
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@GiantVentilatorFan said:
@spenk said:
New video is here
Well, that's the first time I've ever actually seen any searching done with SSDS. So it only accepts file extensions that are exactly 3 characters? Impressive!
Heh, I think I remember that revelation back in the original epic thread. Well, that certainly makes it a non-starter for me! How can I search my python source code (.py), my C/C++ source code (.c/.h or .C), java source code (.java), or my photos (.jpeg), or my videos (.mpeg)?
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@spenk said:
With the WDS one I just typed the words I wanted to search for and the files were found. No fuss, no mess, no effort and no confusion.
Agreed, it is much more intuitive.
On a side note, I feel so dirty for saying that a MS product is better/more efficient than something else. How many "Hail Linus" do I need to do to absolve this sin?
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Can't Share faster than SSDS
@WeatherGod said:
But can you display your textual info in LARGE font delayed character print with random. Nope not a chance. Can they show me the last page of my notes faster. Nope. Do they make it easier to keep notes and at the same time make it simple to catalog screen captures, passwords, URL links forever. All running from my tiny USB stick. Ready to share and faster about it than anybody.@spenk said:
With the WDS one I just typed the words I wanted to search for and the files were found. No fuss, no mess, no effort and no confusion.
Agreed, it is much more intuitive.
On a side note, I feel so dirty for saying that a MS product is better/more efficient than something else. How many "Hail Linus" do I need to do to absolve this sin?
Hint: Change control.txt line #31 to anything from the current "xxx." this element gets hilited when anywhere in the displayed text.
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Power over your Digital Info with SSDS
@WeatherGod said:
Ok I'll have to add another mini "cp" copy picture feature. For all the above non recommended extension types. If SSDS can read it as text then it gets copied out to a plain text file with the extension of ".txt" Oh Geez why hasn't anybody done it already? Too difficult. Not enough reward in using SSDS? Textual info moves quickly. SSDS is best used if you have multiple versions of it available. Have one set to startup and show random samples of the code changes you made? In large font. Or those old "Special" emails you have?@GiantVentilatorFan said:
@spenk said:
New video is here
Well, that's the first time I've ever actually seen any searching done with SSDS. So it only accepts file extensions that are exactly 3 characters? Impressive!Heh, I think I remember that revelation back in the original epic thread. Well, that certainly makes it a non-starter for me! How can I search my python source code (.py), my C/C++ source code (.c/.h or .C), java source code (.java), or my photos (.jpeg), or my videos (.mpeg)?
SSDS gives the Swampie complete power over their digital info. Complete.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
But can you display your textual info in LARGE font delayed character print with random.
In Gnome terminal, I just press Ctrl++ to increase font size, and Ctrl+- to decrease it. As for random, I can use 'rand' in Gnome terminal.
@SpectateSwamp said:
Can they show me the last page of my notes faster.
May I introduce you to my friend 'tail'. Oh, and if I want the first page, I can use 'head'. Yeah, I *love* tail and head... Oh, and I can page through a text file using 'more' or 'less' (remember, "less is more, only better!").
@SpectateSwamp said:
Do they make it easier to keep notes and at the same time make it simple to catalog screen captures
Actually, I use paper for my notes, and F-Spot for my photo cataloging. Does the job very nicely.
@SpectateSwamp said:
passwords
If you are putting your passwords in plain text in a text file, you are doing it wrong.
@SpectateSwamp said:
URL links
I sync my bookmarks between my computers, but I don't use that too often. All my research papers (and notes, biblio info, and source URLs) are synced using Zotero (btw, a HUGE must for any researcher! Well worth the $20/year subscription for the larger online storage space).
@SpectateSwamp said:
Hint: Change control.txt line #31 to anything from the current "xxx." this element gets hilited when anywhere in the displayed text.
Hint: in Gnome Terminal, when you grep for a term, the matching term gets high-lighted automatically in the output. No file for me to edit!
Maybe you should get your hands on a GNOME for some nice random, random action?
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Ok I'll have to add another mini "cp" copy picture feature.
What does that even mean?
@SpectateSwamp said:
For all the above non recommended extension types. If SSDS can read it as text then it gets copied out to a plain text file with the extension of ".txt"
Non-recommended by whom? Welcome to the 21st century! Filename extentions is just simply a part of the filename. It is merely a useful convention for organization. There is really no rule for filename extensions. All of the above extensions are actually perfectly acceptable and are often the recommended ones. SSRR should not have any restriction on what files it can search so long as they were text-searchable.
@SpectateSwamp said:
Oh Geez why hasn't anybody done it already?
Oh, they have... they just went out of business or fixed their software to keep up with technology.
@SpectateSwamp said:
Not enough reward in using SSDS?
Nope. Zilch. Nada.
@SpectateSwamp said:
SSDS is best used if you have multiple versions of it available.
Uhm, why would you recomend multiple setups of your software? Wouldn't that be evidence *for* not keeping all the index in a single text file?
@SpectateSwamp said:
Or those old "Special" emails you have?
Spectate, if you got the sort of "Special" emails that I think you would have, I think the Royal Mounted Police needs to drop by your place.
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Re: Can't Share faster than SSDS but it doesn't actually SEARCH!
@SpectateSwamp said:
But can you display your textual info in LARGE font delayed character print with random. Nope not a chance. Can they show me the last page of my notes faster. Nope. Do they make it easier to keep notes and at the same time make it simple to catalog screen captures, passwords, URL links forever. All running from my tiny USB stick. Ready to share and faster about it than anybody.
What has this got to do with searching though? You call it a Desktop Search Tool yet it cannot actually be used to search for files without going through all the effort shpwn in my video.@SpectateSwamp said:
Ok I'll have to add another mini "cp" copy picture feature. For all the above non recommended extension types. If SSDS can read it as text then it gets copied out to a plain text file with the extension of ".txt" Oh Geez why hasn't anybody done it already? Too difficult.
So if I am coding in c, c++, C#, vb.net perl, ruby, java, python, tcl or just about any programming language (including vb 5 or 6) I am using a non-recommended file extension? You are a total moron if you think the entire world should change how it works to suit your one crappy tool. Why should I need to have two copies of all my files though? One with the real extension and one with a .txt just so you SSRR can read them - that is ridiculous as a suggestion.I would imagine nobody has already done it because
- Nobody understands the source
- Nobody has a VB5 compiler even if they could modify the source
- Nobody actually cares about SSRR, as a search tool it is utterly dire.
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Feeble Feature Searches VS SSDS
@spenk said:
Like I said "for the most part I seldom use the Merge option" that you demoed. Mystuff.txt and inmail.txt outmail.txt and a few other current video catalog files is about all I deal with. No point in merging when there are so few files of interest. I should allow for the "append/over-write" option to default to your preferences though. My preference is Overwrite that's why that setting. Sorry.@SpectateSwamp said:
But can you display your textual info in LARGE font delayed character print with random. Nope not a chance. Can they show me the last page of my notes faster. Nope. Do they make it easier to keep notes and at the same time make it simple to catalog screen captures, passwords, URL links forever. All running from my tiny USB stick. Ready to share and faster about it than anybody.
What has this got to do with searching though? You call it a Desktop Search Tool yet it cannot actually be used to search for files without going through all the effort shpwn in my video. .@spenk said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
Ok I'll have to add another mini "cp" copy picture feature. For all the above non recommended extension types. If SSDS can read it as text then it gets copied out to a plain text file with the extension of ".txt" Oh Geez why hasn't anybody done it already? Too difficult.
So if I am coding in c, c++, C#, vb.net perl, ruby, java, python, tcl or just about any programming language (including vb 5 or 6) I am using a non-recommended file extension? You are a total moron if you think the entire world should change how it works to suit your one crappy tool. Why should I need to have two copies of all my files though? One with the real extension and one with a .txt just so you SSRR can read them - that is ridiculous as a suggestion.So I'm saying I don't give a damn about C, C++ perl java etc files. But you do have the ability to search them if you want. As for copies of "all my files" only the text files that you are going to search need to be merged. That amount of data is next to nothing compared to video files. So we are talking about tiny amounts of data. Tiny Tiny. too tiny to worry about.
@spenk said:
I would imagine nobody has already done it because
- Nobody understands the source
- Nobody has a VB5 compiler even if they could modify the source
- Nobody actually cares about SSRR, as a search tool it is utterly dire.
I took the time and trouble to provide a video showing how WDS allows you to search for a file and another showing how SSRR would search for a file in an attempt to get a genuine explanation from you of how SSRR is bette, as per usual you behaved in a totally ignorant manner and ignored my request. I originally asked for you to explain how to use SSRR to search and you ignored me, I provided the video and your entire response ignored the matter of searching and talked about screen savers, keeping notes, usb and large fonts. I do not want to do any of those things, I want to be able to search for files and on that score SSRR fails dismally. Your inability to actually even justify the enormous amount of effort required by SSRR to search for a file speaks volumes, as a search tool SSRR is utter shit as it doesn't search for files. The UI is atrocious, it only works with text and even then only with certain file extensions and the results are meaningless.
You don't need to understand the source. Just what it is doing if you are interested. Otherwise just skip the source.txt file.
Nobody has VB5 well just maybe I'd make their change for them and send back the exe? I could do it you know. Na maybe not. But there might just be a Swampie out there that would!! Maybe you SpenkSwamp?
As a search tool SSDS is the very best because it is fast and easy. Portable etc. And you haven't explored the fun parts of search. Merging isn't where the fun is at SpenkSwamp it's in: "delayed character display" "Super Large Font" with random. SSDS is a random digital data exploration tool. Far far more than any of the other Feeble Feature Searches FFS
As for the "UI is atrocious" maybe so but it is extremely fast. How else could background jobs be done so simply. I'll have to show you a good example for "The BackGrounder" feature.
Yup other than that you are pretty well wrong and whinny on all counts. But Yer getting there.
Try demo random audio sampling. Don't be afraid of the Skinny Ass musicians and their Lawyers.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Like I said "for the most part I seldom use the Merge option" that you demoed. Mystuff.txt and inmail.txt outmail.txt and a few other current video catalog files is about all I deal with. No point in merging when there are so few files of interest.
You claim SSRR is the only program anyone would need, you also claim it only does things you want - these two do not match up. I expect a search tool to allow me to search for files, the clue is in the name really. I did not demo merging with SSRR, I tried to demo a search with SSRR, merging was a required step in the process and not the point of the demo. The fact I spent more time performing a merge than searching speaks volumes about using SSRR as a search tool.@SpectateSwamp said:
So I'm saying I don't give a damn about C, C++ perl java etc files. But you do have the ability to search them if you want. As for copies of "all my files" only the text files that you are going to search need to be merged. That amount of data is next to nothing compared to video files. So we are talking about tiny amounts of data. Tiny Tiny. too tiny to worry about.
But you keep claiming this is a tool for everyone it is no good claiming everyone should use your tool but only supporting the very small subset of computing that you care about.The duplicate file issue isn't about the space wasted either, it is about the unnecessary effort on my part required to keep this second copy and the merged copy up to date, a decent search tool doesn't require this extra effort - it just allows me to search.
@SpectateSwamp said:
As a search tool SSDS is the very best because it is fast and easy.
It is slow and complicated with cryptic commands and meaningless results - you still haven't been able to explain the results of SSRR in my video.@SpectateSwamp said:
Portable etc.
Since when did portable mean - runs only on windows, with an outdated windows specific language and development environment? There is no way to run SSRR or recompile SSRR on any other platform, therefore it is not portable.@SpectateSwamp said:
And you haven't explored the fun parts of search. Merging isn't where the fun is at SpenkSwamp it's in: "delayed character display" "Super Large Font" with random. SSDS is a random digital data exploration tool. Far far more than any of the other Feeble Feature Searches FFS
Searching is a means to an end, it is the act of trying to locate something [url=http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_gb0746720#m_en_gb0746720]definition of search[/url] - no more and no less. Super Large font and similar crap does not help me to locate files or identify where information is - it is merely a crappy way to present things. A search tool should allow me to search - why do you fail to understand this?WDS lets me look for files - it does exactly what a search tool should do. Search. For. Files.
@SpectateSwamp said:
Yup other than that you are pretty well wrong and whinny on all counts. But Yer getting there.
I know what I want from a search tool, I want it to search - how is that wrong? Not sure whinny is the term - annoyed at your ignorance and your inability to even comment on how WDS made searching for files easy while SSRR took considerably more effort.
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@spenk said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
Like I said "for the most part I seldom use the Merge option" that you demoed. Mystuff.txt and inmail.txt outmail.txt and a few other current video catalog files is about all I deal with. No point in merging when there are so few files of interest.
You claim SSRR is the only program anyone would need, you also claim it only does things you want - these two do not match up. I expect a search tool to allow me to search for files, the clue is in the name really. I did not demo merging with SSRR, I tried to demo a search with SSRR, merging was a required step in the process and not the point of the demo. The fact I spent more time performing a merge than searching speaks volumes about using SSRR as a search tool.@SpectateSwamp said:
So I'm saying I don't give a damn about C, C++ perl java etc files. But you do have the ability to search them if you want. As for copies of "all my files" only the text files that you are going to search need to be merged. That amount of data is next to nothing compared to video files. So we are talking about tiny amounts of data. Tiny Tiny. too tiny to worry about.
But you keep claiming this is a tool for everyone it is no good claiming everyone should use your tool but only supporting the very small subset of computing that you care about.The duplicate file issue isn't about the space wasted either, it is about the unnecessary effort on my part required to keep this second copy and the merged copy up to date, a decent search tool doesn't require this extra effort - it just allows me to search.
@SpectateSwamp said:
As a search tool SSDS is the very best because it is fast and easy.
It is slow and complicated with cryptic commands and meaningless results - you still haven't been able to explain the results of SSRR in my video.@SpectateSwamp said:
Portable etc.
Since when did portable mean - runs only on windows, with an outdated windows specific language and development environment? There is no way to run SSRR or recompile SSRR on any other platform, therefore it is not portable.@SpectateSwamp said:
And you haven't explored the fun parts of search. Merging isn't where the fun is at SpenkSwamp it's in: "delayed character display" "Super Large Font" with random. SSDS is a random digital data exploration tool. Far far more than any of the other Feeble Feature Searches FFS
Searching is a means to an end, it is the act of trying to locate something definition of search - no more and no less. Super Large font and similar crap does not help me to locate files or identify where information is - it is merely a crappy way to present things. A search tool should allow me to search - why do you fail to understand this?WDS lets me look for files - it does exactly what a search tool should do. Search. For. Files.
@SpectateSwamp said:
Yup other than that you are pretty well wrong and whinny on all counts. But Yer getting there.
I know what I want from a search tool, I want it to search - how is that wrong? Not sure whinny is the term - annoyed at your ignorance and your inability to even comment on how WDS made searching for files easy while SSRR took considerably more effort.Yeah -- maybe it would be more practical to re-write SSDS using the windows desktop search API and adding extenders for all of the various video slo-mo, grouping, show last 20 second, etc. "special" things that Spectate Swamp really needs and no one else actually seems to have much interest in. The API and SDK for windows desktop search are available and would provide a good starting point. Then all of the "search" coding is already done and a developer could focus all of their time on polishing non-search stuff.
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@spenk said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
So I'm saying I don't give a damn about C, C++ perl java etc files. But you do have the ability to search them if you want.
These tiny flashes of lucidity seem to be happening more frequently. Spenk, I think you're wearing Spectate down. Keep up the good fight man.
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Oh Dougie, I see you never took my advice some 2 years ago when I first approached you on this site to attempt to heal you from your delusions. I have been gone myself for sometime, doing some soul searching, and I had hoped you would do the same - but it looks like you searched and searched but that which was in your soul didn't bring you back to reality. A pity... and a blessing. Your pity for not moving onto to something productive in life. Our blessing for your amazing way of bring humor into our life.
Looking forward to your further posts.
Dr. Phil.
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@RHuckster said:
SpectateSwamp as a bridge engineer:
SS: "This is the best bridge ever. I am so amazed at what it can do."
Us: "Dude, first of all, it crosses a swamp. Why didn't you just build a landbridge? Second of all, at the very end of the bridge the road just ends, what's the point?"
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A link to this amazingly accurate description of Spectate should be added to TSMOE website. To bad MasterPlanSoftware isn't around anymore to update it.
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Old Slow Coding is best with SSDS
@DrPhil said:
What do you mean moving on? SSDS just gets better and better. What about the final 3 seconds in slow motion thingie. What a feature for the lazy video buffs that want it all done for them (like me)Oh Dougie, I see you never took my advice some 2 years ago when I first approached you on this site to attempt to heal you from your delusions. I have been gone myself for sometime, doing some soul searching, and I had hoped you would do the same - but it looks like you searched and searched but that which was in your soul didn't bring you back to reality. A pity... and a blessing. Your pity for not moving onto to something productive in life. Our blessing for your amazing way of bring humor into our life.
Looking forward to your further posts.
Dr. Phil.
What makes SSDS ever so great is that the code was never rushed. Over 10 years with good idea after good idea being easily implemented.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
What about the final 3 seconds in slow motion thingie. What a feature for the lazy video buffs that want it all done for them (like me)
You're like a broken record. Spenk already showed you he could do it with even less effort both in using it and in coding it. You even congratulated him for it yourself, and we've all concluded that his solution blew yours out of the water. So why are you still here praising yours?
@SpectateSwamp said:
What makes SSDS ever so great is that the code was never rushed. Over 10 years with good idea after good idea being easily implemented.
Scope creep doesn't begin to describe the project.
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@RHuckster said:
Scope creep doesn't begin to describe the project.
And, yet, "creep" does... English is odd that way.
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Take your fave Bookmarks with you - SSDS
@WeatherGod said:
Not Creep; slow slow to a Crawl code changes.@RHuckster said:
Scope creep doesn't begin to describe the project.
And, yet, "creep" does... English is odd that way.
Why not use the very handy standalone feature for saving favorites / bookmark / URL's / Passwords. If you weren't interested in video or taking notes or merging files; you could still be interested in this very portable and important tool.
There is some freedom involved in doing your Bookmarks this way. One can willy-nilly add and delete sites without concern for clutter. Those that become favorites get stored in the mystuff.txt notes file under favorites/web key. With the fav faves being secure, I look forward to doing a reboot once in a while just to clear that big old list for me.
2 lines of text required to store a URL
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photo favorites web site golf video links osoyoos June 2010 ladies golf rotary golf
xxx.http://www.telusplanet.net/public/stonedan/osoyoos_golf.htm
the (http://www.telusplanet.net/public/stonedan/osoyoos_golf.htm) gets dumped into the clipboard
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with a slight change for passwords and other text. if there is no "/" after the http then the contents that follow get loaded into the clipboard & prompt box default.
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photo password for thedailywtf is 29988529938 01Oct2010
xxx.http:29988529938
the (29988529938) gets dumped into the clipboard
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Which is remarkably similar to how I catalogue the screen captures of this forum.
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photo thedailywtf nobody shares knowledge better than this - Take your fave Bookmarks with you - SSDS 01Oct2010 scapture0681
xxx.c:\search\webscreens\scaptured0681.jpg
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Or try SSDS for just music or just pics and forget the LARGE font delayed print and other creepie features.
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I just watched the screencasts, Spenk, and would like to thank you for all your efforts from the bottom of my heart. SDSS really is an extraordinary piece of shit.
Applause!
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@SpectateSwamp said:
you could still be interested in this very portable and important tool.
Portable?! I use Linux, you insensitive clod!
@SpectateSwamp said:
...list of various ways to use SSDS...
SpectateSwamp, I do have to give you credit here. We have been asking for some examples of how to use your software instead of screen shots, and you have finally delivered -- sort of. At least your description makes sense. The idea of quickly and easily getting snippets of information into the clipboard for easy pasting elsewhere is valuable (although, not unique to SSDS). In this respect, you are doing better than Microsoft who could not figure out how to get Copy-n-Paste to work in their new Win 7 phones. As a side-note, the new Win 7 phones support Visual Basic, so maybe you should bring your SSDS to Win 7 Phones and make a killing?
Now, I will have to respectably disagree with [b]how[/b] you are doing it. Your configuration file is completely unintuitive and requires a great deal of learning. I am sure that 10 years of muscle memory makes SSDS feel easy to you, but for others to pick up without your direct instructions, it is a non-starter.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Not Creep; slow slow to a Crawl code changes.
"slow slow to a Crawl code changes" is exactly why spaghetti code is a poor choice.
@SpectateSwamp said:
Why not use the very handy standalone feature for saving favorites / bookmark / URL's / Passwords. If you weren't interested in video or taking notes or merging files; you could still be interested in this very portable and important tool.
No, thanks. If I wanted to keep my favorite sites portable I'll just take my laptop with me. And beyond that if I really want to ensure my favorite URLs can be accessed from any computer, I'll just use a web site portal or something.
Do you really think saving passwords in plaintext is a good idea?
@SpectateSwamp said:
There is some freedom involved in doing your Bookmarks this way. One can willy-nilly add and delete sites without concern for clutter.
wtf does this even mean?
@SpectateSwamp said:
With the fav faves
@SpectateSwamp said:
I look forward to doing a reboot once in a while just to clear that big old list for me.
Wait, so the stuff that you want to preserve for a lifetime because you're the virtual equivalent of A&E's Hoarders vanishes after you reboot? What is the point?! Do you seriously keep adding and adding URL's to some arbitrary list and making some of them favorites as you go along? Seriously... WHO ELSE IN THE WORLD DOES THAT?!!!
@SpectateSwamp said:
photo favorites web site golf video links osoyoos June 2010 ladies golf rotary golf
xxx.http://www.telusplanet.net/public/stonedan/osoyoos_golf.htm
the (http://www.telusplanet.net/public/stonedan/osoyoos_golf.htm) gets dumped into the clipboard
That is the most screwed up format I've ever seen.
@SpectateSwamp said:
photo thedailywtf nobody shares knowledge better than this - Take your fave Bookmarks with you - SSDS 01Oct2010 scapture0681
xxx.c:\search\webscreens\scaptured0681.jpg
Ok... I don't think any of us have ever gotten an answer from you, so I'll ask again: Why do you save screen captures of forum threads instead of just saving them as HTML or plain text? The only text you are saving that is searchable is the subject of the post! What if you forgot what the subject of the post was and you were asking yourself, "Hmm... which post was it where I was showing the folks at TDWTF how I save forum posts as images?" You'd search something like "catalogue the screen captures of this forum" and get nada. Zip. Zilch. Because your SSDS, as amazing as you say it is, doesn't read the text off of images. If you had saved the text of the forum post somewhere, *then* you'd have a better chance at finding it. I don't understand why you don't understand this simple concept.
@SpectateSwamp said:
Or try SSDS for just music or just pics and forget the LARGE font delayed print and other creepie features.
Know what I use for music? My iPod. So much more portable than SSDS. I don't have to keep a computer turned on just to listen to it.
Know what I use for pics? Facebook. So much more sharable than SSDS.
I also save copies of the music and photos on my hard drive as backup. Do you do backups, Spectate? If your computer ever encounters some kind of permenant hard drive failure, I'd hate to see how you'd react.
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You all don't get SpectateSturm correctly. When he says portable, he doesn't mean "can easily be ported to another operating system or programming language". He means "works from a portable USB stick". Duh. Stop thinking SwampStaffel's definitions of words have anything to do with ours.
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@spenk said:
You claim SSRR is the only program anyone would need,
@spenk said:But you keep claiming this is a tool for everyone
Yes, and that's exactly true. Everyone can download his source code and implement the features he needs. Of course Swampy can't do all that by himself, what would he know what features other people need? Everyone of us should share his knowledge and jam his own noodle into SSRR!
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@Shortjob said:
tl;dr
Very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very wise decision.
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Win 7 clipboard downgrade problem
@WeatherGod said:
The idea of quickly and easily getting snippets of information into the clipboard for easy pasting elsewhere is valuable (although, not unique to SSDS). In this respect, you are doing better than Microsoft who could not figure out how to get Copy-n-Paste to work in their new Win 7 phones. As a side-note, the new Win 7 phones support Visual Basic, so maybe you should bring your SSDS to Win 7 Phones and make a killing?
Nope I couldn't load the clipboard with the target info in Win 7 either. But I made sure the default in the prompt box was set to the desired text. Then just a Ctrl/C before you get to Ctrl/V and paste anything. One more step but at least the password / whatever is there.
Pretty basic option to get screwed up.
Long live windows XP.
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Re: Take your fave Bookmarks with you, more non-searching "functionality" - SSRR
@SpectateSwamp said:
Why is this in an alleged search tool though? I also find it easier to just use Firefox as it keeps bookmarks, passwords etc. in sync on multiple machines automatically. Why would rebooting clear my bookmarks?Why not use the very handy standalone feature for saving favorites / bookmark / URL's / Passwords. If you weren't interested in video or taking notes or merging files; you could still be interested in this very portable and important tool.
There is some freedom involved in doing your Bookmarks this way. One can willy-nilly add and delete sites without concern for clutter. Those that become favorites get stored in the mystuff.txt notes file under favorites/web key. With the fav faves being secure, I look forward to doing a reboot once in a while just to clear that big old list for me.
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Killer Win 7 phone app - SSDS
@WeatherGod said:
This should be fun. I'll get on their forums and brag and brag about SSDS.As a side-note, the new Win 7 phones support Visual Basic, so maybe you should bring your SSDS to Win 7 Phones and make a killing?
All of those forums where I yapped about not editing anything. I'll have to let them know I don't edit any control files (wasting 6 to 8 hours) just to isolate the final 3 seconds in slow motion. Nope I'm doing even less editing than ever. Next to non. Minimal. All safe accessible and low tech.
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Geek free with SSDS
@spenk said:
Why is this in an alleged search tool though? I also find it easier to just use Firefox as it keeps bookmarks, passwords etc. in sync on multiple machines automatically. Why would rebooting clear my bookmarks?
I keep all kinds of bookmarks. Interesting articles, threads that soon disappear, subjects where I have responded. It's kind of nice to clear that all away once in a while by doing a re-install of the OS. I only have the 20 or 30 that I regularly follow and it's easy to add them back in with SSDS putting them in the clipboard for me. Just paste - Alt/tab - next - Alt/tab - paste and they are back on.
Not having to worry about viruses and the technicalities of all the software one must master is the biggest benefit of SSDS. Learn this one simple computer program in a couple hours and you are free from the Geeks. You won't need them anymore. You'll be able to do video, pics, audio and text with the best of the Swampies.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Not having to worry about viruses and the technicalities of all the software one must master is the biggest benefit of SSDS.
- SSRR is a virus itself.
- I don't have to worry about viruses because:
- I'm doing regular system updates.
- My anti virus program updates on a regular basis automatically, and has an on-line scanner running.
- My DSL modem also includes a firewall.
- I am running as a regular user, not administrator, and think twice before pushing the "yes, allow modify data on computer" button.
- I'm using Linux, viruses aren't really an issue there.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
control files
You know, developers usually have the choice between these three things:
- To store configuration / data in an easy to understand and edit ASCII format, like ini files.
- To store configuration / data in an easy to load and save binary format, like jpeg files.
- To store configuration / data in a fairly easy to edit while also fairly easy to parse format, like XML.
With your "control files" (and the index files), you chose the rarely seen fourth option:
- To store configuration / data in an ASCII format that is neither easy to edit, nor easy to parse.
make it very simplestart by figuring out what that word means first.
