EU schedules a task to get a lock on Daylight Saving Time
-
@Gąska said in EU schedules a task to get a lock on Daylight Saving Time:
The bigger problem is that date change in the middle of the day would cause shittons of legal problems. For example, Sunday is treated special in many countries regarding work restrictions - who can work, how long they can work, and how much they get compensated. Imagine that suddenly, Saturday becomes Sunday in the middle of the day. What now?
Presumably the law that changes the national time system would also redefine day/night/overnight/weekend/etc. work periods to fit. This would cause a pre-Y2K-style panic as people update their software, while folks who don't use work scheduling software would just schedule appropriately like they always have.
-
@Applied-Mediocrity said in EU schedules a task to get a lock on Daylight Saving Time:
Alternative proposal:
In winter, speed up all clocks from sunrise till sunset and slow them down again at night.This part is what we're doing already, modulo aircon.
-
@topspin said in EU schedules a task to get a lock on Daylight Saving Time:
That's a great idea if you live in or near the GMT time zone already and you're a lazy hack.
Having noon at 3am because of some "time zones are hard" software developers would be a much bigger WTF than everything we have right now.OTOH I'd actually get paid extra for night shifts every day
-
@Gurth said in EU schedules a task to get a lock on Daylight Saving Time:
This is why I think China’s method would probably be far better than these time zones we’re stuck with. The main problem is people, who seem to have difficulty with the idea that the sun might rise at 03:00 and set at 14:00, or whatever times that aren’t in the customary morning and evening. Why couldn’t you have 05:00 in the evening?
If you're trying to agree on a meeting time with someone in a distant time zone, it's convenient to be able to tell them something like "that's 5am for me", and a lot more precise than "very early in the morning".
It'd also be really weird when you were travelling or if you moved to a distant timezone, when the hours of the day suddenly all meant different things to what you were used to. It's hard enough to cope with jetlag without having to work out whether 2pm is an appropriate time to go to the pool.
@DCoder said in EU schedules a task to get a lock on Daylight Saving Time:
No need to imagine, just ask an EMT, security guard, casino staff, or a call center slave.
There's a lot of business value in having little or no activity going on when the day changes. The fact that jobs with overnight shifts exist does not make this go away.
-
@Scarlet_Manuka said in EU schedules a task to get a lock on Daylight Saving Time:
If you're trying to agree on a meeting time with someone in a distant time zone, it's convenient to be able to tell them something like "that's 5am for me", and a lot more precise than "very early in the morning”.
It’s a problem I’ve never had and probably never will, but “That’s three hours before I get to the office” would convey the message just fine, wouldn’t it? It would even be easier for you to determine that, because you wouldn’t need to do any calculations: the other person suggests 10:00, and you know your alarm clock is set for 11:30, so it’s going to be far too early.
It'd also be really weird when you were travelling or if you moved to a distant timezone, when the hours of the day suddenly all meant different things to what you were used to. It's hard enough to cope with jetlag without having to work out whether 2pm is an appropriate time to go to the pool.
Any more than it is now? The pool times should be available somewhere, and if jet lagged and confused about local time, wouldn't you use basic impressions like, “It’s very dark outside, so the pool is likely to be closed” anyway?
-
@Gurth said in EU schedules a task to get a lock on Daylight Saving Time:
You know, if you’d asked me before I read the above, I would have said that time zones count from 0° longitude, not that one is centred on that.
Being centered on 0° (and other multiples of 15°) is more logical: it minimizes the difference between clock time and solar time.
-
@DCoder said in EU schedules a task to get a lock on Daylight Saving Time:
@Gąska said in EU schedules a task to get a lock on Daylight Saving Time:
Imagine that suddenly, Saturday becomes Sunday in the middle of the day. What now?
No need to imagine, just ask an EMT, security guard, casino staff, or a call center slave.
Middle of the night is completely different from middle of the day. And how it currently works in Poland is that for the purpose of time tracking, a workday starts and ends at 6AM - which is non-problem because virtually nobody has a shift that crosses 6AM. Compare to 12AM, 6PM or any other time that would become 0:00 local time. And try to imagine the additional cognitive load put on long distance travellers - instead of just rotating their clocks a few hours, they now have to remember a whole book of local laws related to the definition of day.
@Parody said in EU schedules a task to get a lock on Daylight Saving Time:
@Gąska said in EU schedules a task to get a lock on Daylight Saving Time:
The bigger problem is that date change in the middle of the day would cause shittons of legal problems. For example, Sunday is treated special in many countries regarding work restrictions - who can work, how long they can work, and how much they get compensated. Imagine that suddenly, Saturday becomes Sunday in the middle of the day. What now?
Presumably the law that changes the national time system would also redefine day/night/overnight/weekend/etc. work periods to fit.
Fit what? Every possible solution I can think of is either overly complicated for day to day activities, or goes away with the universality of UTC by making dates not match midnights anymore.
Timezones are good solution. Better than every other solution.
-
@Applied-Mediocrity said in EU schedules a task to get a lock on Daylight Saving Time:
Alternative proposal:
In winter, speed up all clocks from sunrise till sunset and slow them down again at night. And the other way round in summer, so that the number of hours in a "day" always remains constant.
-
@e4tmyl33t The timeclock system I fixed from my predecessor considers any times between being clocked out and clocked in "breaks" so long as it's less than four hours. So, if you clock out, and clock in within four hours, it merely adds that time to your current timecard entry's break (and erases the "Clocked out" time).
