Why Windows 10 Sucks
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@timebandit you don't. Unless the manufacturer's driver was made before your OS, in which case you almost certainly want the OS-provided generic one.
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@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@timebandit you don't. Unless the manufacturer's driver was made before your OS, in which case you almost certainly want the OS-provided generic one.
I can tell you that this is the opposite of my experience, as related up-thread (unless it was in the Linux version of this thread...I get them confused sometimes).
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@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@dcon said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@dcon said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@dcon said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@el_heffe said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
- Windows loves thrashing your HDD.
There does seem to be a lot of hard drive activity even when you're not doing anything and you would think the computer should be idle. I never noticed it until I built my current computer which it turns out has this insanely bright red LED for the HD activity light.
Quite annoying when you're trying to sleep. I had to put a piece of black tape over it. Windows 10 seems to be quite a bit worse than Windows 7 in this regard.
Did you turn off the let-me-share-updates-with-the-rest-of-the-world option?
No need to turn that off unless you explicitly turned it on.
I'm pretty sure that's on by default. (I've always had to turn it off on new machines)
It's on for "Share with machines on my LAN".
Maybe different defaults in different locales? That's what I always back my new machine down to.
I'm currently re-imaging a machine fresh from the official Win10 image and the setting was set to "Off". Weird.
Maybe they listened to feedback! :gasp:
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@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
Unless the manufacturer's driver was made before your OS, in which case you almost certainly want the OS-provided generic one
Then, the Microsoft solution doesn't work since
The dates on all Windows drivers are set to June 21, 2006. The version number increases over time, but the timestamp stays put.
unless the manufacturer's driver was made before June 21, 2006
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@dcon considering they still force update installation, I doubt it.
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@timebandit you missed the part where you show that it doesn't work.
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@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@dcon considering they still force update installation, I doubt it.
They made numerous changes to the Update mechanisms. However, you're criticising the core decision - to make updates mandatory.
That's a completely different beast and a completely different discussion.
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@rhywden it's also the single biggest issue people have with Windows 10, bigger than everything else combined.
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@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden it's also the single biggest issue people have with Windows 10, bigger than everything else combined.
I'd like a source for that.
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@rhywden me too. Sadly, I don't have enough money to order a proper survey, and no one else has done it.
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@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden me too. Sadly, I don't have enough money to order a proper survey, and no one else has done it.
Called it.
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@heterodox said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
Also, having used NuGet to get PowerShell modules recently (which turns out to be just point it at a repository which seems to be in Atom format, it downloads the "package" you want, along with dependencies), I suspect that may in the future replace things like Chocolatey. It felt very much like a Linux package manager.
Chocolatey uses NuGet as well - it knows to look for specific scripts inside the .nupkg and run them after downloading.
Anyways, the two are complementary - it won't replace Chocolatey. PackageManagement is a "package manager manager" - users use it, and then it can use things like Chocolatey or the PowerShell module installer as appropriate.
There was a Chocolatey provider that worked with PackageManagement at one point, but I think maintaining it hasn't been a priority for the Chocolatey folks.
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@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden me too. Sadly, I don't have enough money to order a proper survey, and no one else has done it.
Called it.
Note that it doesn't mean I'm wrong. Just not credible.
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@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden me too. Sadly, I don't have enough money to order a proper survey, and no one else has done it.
Called it.
Note that it doesn't mean I'm wrong. Just not credible.
If there's one thing I've learned over the years (because our psychology prof liked to rub our faces in it) is that just because things sound plausible doesn't make them true. Several times it was the complete opposite, even.
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@unperverted-vixen said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
Chocolatey uses NuGet as well - it knows to look for specific scripts inside the .nupkg and run them after downloading.
Anyways, the two are complementary - it won't replace Chocolatey. PackageManagement is a "package manager manager" - users use it, and then it can use things like Chocolatey or the PowerShell module installer as appropriate.
There was a Chocolatey provider that worked with PackageManagement at one point, but I think maintaining it hasn't been a priority for the Chocolatey folks.
Sounds like existing package management functionality just hasn't been publicized that much yet. I'll give it time. It'll be interesting to see where it ends up.
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@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden me too. Sadly, I don't have enough money to order a proper survey, and no one else has done it.
Called it.
Note that it doesn't mean I'm wrong. Just not credible.
If there's one thing I've learned over the years (because our psychology prof liked to rub our faces in it) is that just because things sound plausible doesn't make them true. Several times it was the complete opposite, even.
A very plausible theory is that I pulled that biggest issue thing out of my ass, have no basis for that statement and am completely wrong.
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@zecc said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
thrashing is not the same as trashing.
TIL, I never noticed that
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@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden me too. Sadly, I don't have enough money to order a proper survey, and no one else has done it.
Called it.
Yay! You learned what an opinion is!
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@boomzilla said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden me too. Sadly, I don't have enough money to order a proper survey, and no one else has done it.
Called it.
Yay! You learned what an opinion is!
If it had been actually stated as an opinion I'd have had no truck with it...
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@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@boomzilla said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden me too. Sadly, I don't have enough money to order a proper survey, and no one else has done it.
Called it.
Yay! You learned what an opinion is!
If it had been actually stated as an opinion I'd have had no truck with it...
No one believes that.
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@boomzilla said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@boomzilla said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden me too. Sadly, I don't have enough money to order a proper survey, and no one else has done it.
Called it.
Yay! You learned what an opinion is!
If it had been actually stated as an opinion I'd have had no truck with it...
No one believes that.
Source?
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@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@boomzilla said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@boomzilla said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden me too. Sadly, I don't have enough money to order a proper survey, and no one else has done it.
Called it.
Yay! You learned what an opinion is!
If it had been actually stated as an opinion I'd have had no truck with it...
No one believes that.
Source?
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@boomzilla Called it!
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@boomzilla I don't look anything like that! Here's a much better representation:
disclaimer: Haven't got the faintest who that guy is. Simply entered "dweeb" into image search
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BTW @Rhywden - if not forced updates, what do you think is the biggest problem with Windows 10? Because you sure as hell have an opinion on that - everybody does.
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@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
BTW @Rhywden - if not forced updates, what do you think is the biggest problem with Windows 10? Because you sure as hell have an opinion on that - everybody does.
I like Windows 10, generally. But forced updates drive me mad. I get angry just thinking about it, because it reminds me about horrors I went through because of them. The worst part is that I know I'll be kicked in the nuts by this moronic 'functionality' in future.
There, user survey, sample size: 1.
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@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@boomzilla said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@boomzilla said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden me too. Sadly, I don't have enough money to order a proper survey, and no one else has done it.
Called it.
Yay! You learned what an opinion is!
If it had been actually stated as an opinion I'd have had no truck with it...
No one believes that.
Source?
It's only available offline.
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@pie_flavor said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@boomzilla said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@boomzilla said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden me too. Sadly, I don't have enough money to order a proper survey, and no one else has done it.
Called it.
Yay! You learned what an opinion is!
If it had been actually stated as an opinion I'd have had no truck with it...
No one believes that.
Source?
It's only available offline.
Dude, keep that shit to the Garage. I hope you're proud that you are one of the reasons why guys like @Arantor have gone away.
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@rhywden will you answer my question, pretty please? I'm honestly curious.
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I'm surprised that after Snowden and Intel's Minix thing people still dismiss win10 spying as some crazy conspiracy theory.
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@sockpuppet7 said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
I'm surprised that after Snowden and Intel's Minix thing people still dismiss win10 spying as some crazy conspiracy theory.
I was surprised that people moan so much about Win10 data gathering, when they give away everything about them, including their current location, to google and facebook, every day, for years.
I was, but not anymore, my faith in humanity is lost.
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@mrl Google knows everything I do online, and my location. But I won't let anything spy on the local files on my laptop, that is where I draw the line. Maybe I would be tempted with a free version of windows, but for now I just Linux.
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@sockpuppet7 said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@mrl Google knows everything I do online, and my location. But I won't let anything spy on the local files on my laptop, that is where I draw the line. Maybe I would be tempted with a free version of windows, but for now I just Linux.
So you're not concerned with privacy, just cheap.
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@sockpuppet7 said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
But I won't let anything spy on the local files on my laptop, that is where I draw the line.
aren't you just going to format the drive every few weeks anyways?
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@bb36e Ironically I formated my laptop yesterday, to make a clean install of the newest Ubuntu
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Get ready to rant/rave more....
Microsoft’s Windows 10 April 2018 Update arrives on Monday
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It’s no longer the Spring Creators Update
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@dcon I hope I won't have to update my update blocking method.
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@sockpuppet7 said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
I'm surprised that after Snowden and Intel's Minix thing people still dismiss win10 spying as some crazy conspiracy theory.
I didn't until he said that Windows 10 collects data specifically with the intent of giving it to government agencies like the CIA, at which point I began calling it a crazy conspiracy theory because it was one. He could have prevented that by providing 1/10th of one iota of evidence, which of course would be pretty hard to provide considering crazy conspiracy theories generally aren't based on a whole lot of solid fact.
Look, I get that some people don't like voice agents like Microsoft Cortana or Google Whatever or Amazon Echo or Apple Siri or Samsung Stupid Butler Thing Nobody Uses to send their voice to an internet server. Fine; don't use it then. But it's not implemented with some kind of sinister purpose, and it's certainly not unique to Windows or Microsoft products.
In any case, I'd still like an explanation of what he means by "keyboard scanning". Does he think his Windows 10 laptop is somehow filming him typing? What even is that?
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@blakeyrat said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
In any case, I'd still like an explanation of what he means by "keyboard scanning". Does he think his Windows 10 laptop is somehow filming him typing? What even is that?
There's a documentary about this. Here, I even cued it up for you:
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@blakeyrat There is no proof or any evidence of it doing anything sinister afaik, but at this point I work on the assumption that the NSA has access to anything on my computer at any time, with or without help from the os.
I care more about online shops that change the price according to the information they have about me. I'm certain Google, Facebook and advertisers help them with that. So far I have no reason to think MS will help with that, but I don't like giving them the info.
Imagine if every online shop start charging you more, because your used software suggest you have more than average money?
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@sockpuppet7 said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
There is no proof or any evidence of it doing anything sinister afaik, but at this point I work on the assumption that the NSA has access to anything on my computer at any time, with or without help from the os.
You do you.
Just don't delude yourself into thinking that shit is rational.
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@blakeyrat look at Facebook leak. This is what private companies know. Do you really think government intelligence agencies know anything less?
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@gąska I'm not saying they know less.
I'm saying that the telemetry features in Windows 10 weren't developed specifically to give information to the CIA.
That's the conspiracy theory we're talking about. Eye on the prize here.
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@blakeyrat no one's saying it was designed for surveillance. The conspiracy theory is that it's used for it.
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@blakeyrat said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
Just don't delude yourself into thinking that shit is rational.
It's based on logic, so it's rational. I don't claim to know what the probability of it happening there is, but I believe it's significant
- government has interest in spying on people
- government has means to force companies into doing whatever they want
- government has power to benefit companies in exchanging for doing what they want
- company has the means to help with the spying
- company has a lot of contracts with the government
Said that, I sould be a lot more worried about the people claiming windows is pushing crapware into their machines. I have not experienced any of this with my corporate laptop, so I dunno.
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@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@blakeyrat no one's saying it was designed for surveillance.
Go back and read the fucking article we're talking about. Christ.
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@blakeyrat said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@blakeyrat no one's saying it was designed for surveillance.
Go back and read the fucking article we're talking about. Christ.
No one in their right mind*.
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