So Microsoft broke my phone
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I have Google Hangouts, which I use to receive phone calls. it has a little in a little bubble on the lower right of my screen, and active conversations and incoming calls show up as little bubbles with the person's face above that little bubble.
Which still works, technically.
Except that now since the Windows 10 Anniversary Update, having Google Hangouts open causes my taskbar to never hide itself, even when I'm in a fullscreen game. This issue occurs on all of my video games, but curiously, not on fullscreen web browsers, and the Chrome Remote Desktop client doesn't cause it, only the Hangouts client.
How the hell do I fix this?
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@ben_lubar wo-wo-wo-works for me brotha:
That's fullscreen (windowed) not regular fullscreen.
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Ok, just to make things even more confusing, here's my settings window:
And here's @blakeyrat's:
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@ben_lubar said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
How the hell do I fix this?
Have you tried downgrading to the version that came before the asinine bubbles version? I'm pretty sure that's the one @blakeyrat (and me) are using.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
@ben_lubar said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
How the hell do I fix this?
Have you tried downgrading to the version that came before the asinine bubbles version? I'm pretty sure that's the one @blakeyrat (and me) are using.
ok, I tried that one and it:
- doesn't show up on top of games when I receive calls or messages
- opens the bubble one when I click on a conversation in its list
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@Tsaukpaetra The one I'm using is the "extension", the one Ben L's using is the "app". I have no idea why there are two. They both appear to have identical features?
God knows Google would never make fucking ANYTHING simple.
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@blakeyrat +1, the extension doesn't overlay stupid bubbles over everything and only reminds you it exists when someone messages you or when you look for it in your system tray. @ben_lubar try the extension instead of the app?
As a side note, the anniversary update actually made fullscreen work better for me and it almost never overlays the taskbar on top of fullscreen windows anymore unless I want it to. I guess it's different for hardware fullscreen versus borderless fullscreen. But I've only tested with Chrome, so my sample size is 1...
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@LB_ said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
@ben_lubar try the extension instead of the app?
"Always on top" seems to mean "not on top when you're playing a video game so it's useless to you hahahaha"
The extension isn't going to work for me because having it is the same as not having anything. It fulfils none of my requirements :(
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@ben_lubar Well Ben L it looks like you've finally learned the ultimate lesson: all Google products that aren't search engines are crappy pieces of utter ass.
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@blakeyrat said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
@ben_lubar Well Ben L it looks like you've finally learned the ultimate lesson: all Google products that aren't search engines are crappy pieces of utter ass.
It was working fine until I installed a mandatory Windows update which also installed the "GET SKYPE" and "GET OFFICE" "apps" on my computer, so I'm going to blame Microsoft.
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@ben_lubar Do you blame Microsoft for the unnecessary scrollbars in the settings dialog I screenshotted you before?
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@ben_lubar said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
which also installed the "GET SKYPE" and "GET OFFICE" "apps"
And OneNote (that I had uninstalled because I have 2016 version of it already!) and the stupid Mail (which I had uninstalled already because I have Outlook) and pinned Internet Explorer
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@dse said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
and pinned Internet Explorer
oh yeah and when I typed
git remote --help
it offered to open Internet Explorer.
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@ben_lubar said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
"Always on top" seems to mean "not on top when you're playing a video game so it's useless to you hahahaha"
The extension isn't going to work for me because having it is the same as not having anything. It fulfils none of my requirements :(
So basically, you don't want it to respect full screen mode, yet you're not getting the perfect balance of respecting and not respecting full screen mode.
Yeah, I can't imagine why the OS implementers realistically didn't give that use case priority.
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- it's just a small part of your ui stop complaining about ui changes microsoft is perfect YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!
- get a real phone?
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@Lorne-Kates said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
- it's just a small part of your ui stop complaining about ui changes microsoft is perfect YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!
Yeah, a small part of ONE HALF OF MY HEADS UP DISPLAY is covered up by an almost opaque black rectangle. I've only died SEVERAL times in the last few days due to this bug.
@Lorne-Kates said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
- get a real phone?
Why? I only have this problem when I'm using Windows. If I could just use a non-broken OS, I wouldn't need a pointless extra device.
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@ben_lubar said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
If I could just use a non-broken OS,
You can't because there is no such thing.
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@blakeyrat said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
@ben_lubar said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
If I could just use a non-broken OS,
You can't because there is no such thing.
DAMMIT
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@ben_lubar said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
@Lorne-Kates said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
- it's just a small part of your ui stop complaining about ui changes microsoft is perfect YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!
Yeah, a small part of ONE HALF OF MY HEADS UP DISPLAY is covered up by an almost opaque black rectangle. I've only died SEVERAL times in the last few days due to this bug.
luddite. It's called modern design. You're just stuck in your old way of thinking. I'm sure Microsoft did tons of user testing, and this is what REAL users want.
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@dse said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
pinned Internet Explorer
Considering every time I got a new build for the last year, it deleted my pinned IE tile, I find that unlikely.
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@ben_lubar said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
it offered to open Internet Explorer.
I bet it didn't.
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@FrostCat said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
@ben_lubar said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
it offered to open Internet Explorer.
I bet it didn't.
It did, because Git for Windows uses an HTML version of its man pages.
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@ben_lubar I bet it used Edge, and not IE, unless you changed your default browser.
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@FrostCat said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
@ben_lubar I bet it used Edge, and not IE, unless you changed your default browser.
Edge ⊂ Internet Explorer
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@ben_lubar said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
@blakeyrat said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
@ben_lubar said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
If I could just use a non-broken OS,
You can't because there is no such thing.
DAMMIT
One word: iOS.
Thank you for your attention.
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@kt_ the one with no user accessible file system? Where a recent update let people reset your device by sending a text with the wrong characters? Nah, it's as broken as the rest
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@Jaloopa said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
@kt_ the one with no user accessible file system? Where a recent update let people reset your device by sending a text with the wrong characters? Nah, it's as broken as the rest
Yup, the one that's far less broken than the other.
The one that although you hear people could have problems with, you don't see people complaining about.
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@ben_lubar said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
@FrostCat said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
@ben_lubar I bet it used Edge, and not IE, unless you changed your default browser.
Edge ⊂ Internet Explorer
In your weird fantasy world maybe.
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@dse said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
And OneNote (that I had uninstalled because I have 2016 version of it already!)
I actually have to keep both versions on my Surface because for some stupid reason only the preloaded one will respond to the "click the button on the pen to open OneNote" command.
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@ben_lubar said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
Edge ⊂ Internet Explorer
When did they add extensions to IE?
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@FrostCat Like version 4. They were called Toolbars. Firefox changed the name when they ripped-off the concept.
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@blakeyrat said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
Like version 4.
Sure--or BHOs. I even wrote one to fix the horribly-small portion of the status bar IE4 had for displaying URLs. Got mentioned on Lockergnome about 20 years ago. But I meant what Chrome/FF calls extensions, of which approximately none exist for IE.
Or if you want to get all pedantic, I could talk about the UI instead, or the sidebar-style "Ask Cortana/Bing" stuff.
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@FrostCat said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
@dse said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
pinned Internet Explorer
Considering every time I got a new build for the last year, it deleted my pinned IE tile, I find that unlikely.
happened to me. I had edge unpinned and after the update it reappeared on my taskbar.
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@bb36e said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
edge
But he said IE, apparently, it has been discovered, because he wanted to engage in some pedantic dickweedery.
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@FrostCat said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
I bet it used Edge, and not IE
Both words mean the same thing. The crappy browser people that are too lazy to download a real one use.
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@groo said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
Both words mean the same thing.
Sure, if you're lazy and/or ignorant.
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@FrostCat said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
@groo said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
Both words mean the same thing.
Sure, if you're lazy and/or ignorant.
I suppose you're one of those people who consider "Ubuntu" to not be a type of "Linux", then?
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@FrostCat said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
Sure--or BHOs.
Oh yeah, BHOs. The one and only thing I know them for is "Oh fuck I just got malware from that flash-exploiting ad, and it's taken over my homepage and search engine. I better run 'Hijack This!', which will show me a list of all the BHOs... so I can delete all of them".
Otherwise know as "this is why I stopped using IE"
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@ben_lubar said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
I suppose you're one of those people who consider "Ubuntu" to not be a type of "Linux", then?
No, because I don't make up my own words for shit. You're the one who's saying that Slackware and Ubuntu are the same thing because they both use the same kernel.
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@Lorne-Kates said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
Oh yeah, BHOs.
There were a couple of legit uses of them--like my example above, that fixed a stupid design decision Microsoft made.
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mildly related: rs1 seems to have broken some window system behavior, like how EA DICE titles' 'borderless window' functionality (which I need in order to run undisclosed game enhancement software) which sets WS_EX_TOOLWINDOW causes the game window to not enumerate in any window list so I have to have another external utility to remove WS_EX_TOOLWINDOW to even be able to, like, focus the game window as it somehow is even lower in the Z stack than the desktop window by default.
of course, the combination of rs1, NVIDIA drivers and BF4 also broke transparent layered windows as long as they're hosted within BF4's game process (by removing all semblance of transparency), which caused me to have to cease being lazy and implement IPC for my game enhancer's enhancement overlay...
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@NTAuthority said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
which I need in order to run undisclosed game enhancement software
Are you Russian?
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@bb36e said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
@NTAuthority said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
which I need in order to run undisclosed game enhancement software
Are you Russian?
Do the Russians drug their esports athletes too?
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@bb36e said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
Are you Russian?
that's Counter-Strike game enhancers. Battlefield titles actually have real enhancements outside of artificial aiming and viewing player positions, like, uh, lots of client trust by servers compounding game bugs so you end up with, say, invulnerable remote-controlled miniature tanks (they're not meant to be invulnerable nor loaded on those levels, but apparently they're loaded and invulnerable on levels they do not belong to) by replacing an asset pointer in your soldier loadout.
the main purpose of this is social experimentation, people love to get irrational when someone's abusing game features in their game session.
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@NTAuthority VAC
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@ben_lubar said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
@NTAuthority VAC
classical anti-cheating measures are a classical example of client trust. VAC merely relies on the classical concept of patterns and boobytraps, actual game data analysis is a better solution for whatever (which in CS nowadays seems implemented by, uh, peer review of automatically-recorded game demos?).
of course, if it's Battlefield 4 which you can get for free infinitely due to a flawed trial system, no banning methods are viable at all.
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@NTAuthority like invulnerable EOD bots? Or like the floating future drone thing in the final stand maps?
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@bb36e said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
@NTAuthority like invulnerable EOD bots? Or like the floating future drone thing in the final stand maps?
RAWR, this flying whatever thing (which actually can't fly as the default height ceiling is 0m, so it's just floating above ground level, advantage is it's still invulnerable outside of its natural habitat), various other battle pickups from DLC (railgun sniping seems a particular favorite of some contacts of mine) and some classics such as double jet miniguns and triple tank shells.
they got a lot more popular lately as someone released an easily reusable public precompiled hack for this, prior to that you needed to actually match up various structure definitions and write your own plugin to replace the assets...
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@NTAuthority gotcha... That thing's always felt so boring and weak so I guess aninviln version would be fun
Tbh the most fun I've had in the game has been seeing that bug where tanks sometimes flip over and rocket towards the sky, one time I was ready to hit one with an RPG and it just up and did a triple backflip
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@bb36e said in So Microsoft broke my phone:
Tbh the most fun I've had in the game has been seeing that bug where tanks sometimes flip over and rocket towards the sky, one time I was ready to hit one with an RPG and it just up and did a triple backflip
that's literally what you have half over Métro when using the RAWR.
of course, that is mainly abuse of Origin Access trial accounts, given how even if you just pick up the RAWR from an actual hack user's dropped kit (oh, yes, that's actually a thing :p ) people will still hate on you and the 'free' trial doesn't come with DLC.