More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense
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@TimeBandit I pretty much never manually reboot/shut down either of my machines: the one at work reboots when I'm not here, and the one at home reboots overnight too presumably. And they both tell me that updates have been installed, and that they intend to restart. I don't know how you people break this stuff.
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@mott555 said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
ib4 two-page flamewar on how you're obviously making that up and it never happens because Microsoft is perfect.
Liar. It's obviously faulty hardware.
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@brianw13a Unfortunately, it's not a joke, it's the way you have to work with Windows.
Finished your day's work ? Close everything and reboot.
Going out for lunch ? Close everything and reboot.
Going in a meeting ? Close everything and reboot.
Going to the bathroom ? Close everything and reboot.
Want to shoot aliens ? You guessed itAt least, that's what I understood from all the brainwashed Windows users around here.
BS.
i shutdown my gaming rig when i'm not using it because the fans annoy me at night (i need to get a different room for that PC), but my work PC i reboot only when it yells at me to, and even then i'll usually delay a couple of days. and my laptops i never manually shut them down, just close the lid and let them sort it out whether they are gonna keep running, go to sleep, hibernate, shut down, or catch fire and urn in a pyromantic blaze of glory.
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@Magus said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@TimeBandit I pretty much never manually reboot/shut down either of my machines: the one at work reboots when I'm not here
And when you come back, you lost all your setup.
I'm so glad my work doesn't make me use Windows.This is my workflow : When I leave work, I turn off the screens. When I come back, I turn on the screens, put my password to unlock it and continue exactly where I left off. Even when I go on vacations.
I don't have to re-open my IDE, open the project(s) I am working on, find where I was in which file and at what line.
If MS made cars, you people would find it normal that every time you get in it, you have to re-adjust the seat and mirrors, and set all the radio stations.
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
And when you come back, you lost all your setup.
Nope.
The rest of your post is therefore irrelevant.
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@Magus Please enlighten me on how, after Windows reboot, everything is still the way you left it, unless you close everything before leaving.
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@TimeBandit I pretty much never manually reboot/shut down either of my machines: the one at work reboots when I'm not here
This is my workflow : When I leave work, I turn off the screens. When I come back, I turn on the screens, put my password to unlock it and continue exactly where I left off. Even when I go on vacations.
Exactly how I work. I realize that I have to adjust the Update settings but damn, nothing like pulling a reboot on me right in the middle of a startup.
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@brianw13a said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I hope that's a joke.
Nobody would post a joke on this forum.
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@TimeBandit I don't know where you people get this stuff.
All my browser windows and tabs are immediately reopened on startup (Except Sleipnir, but that thing is stupid anyway, and keeps tabs between sessions, so it's just a click to start it), as are all my VS instances, with all their focused files and locations, on all my monitors, along with outlook and spotify and everything else.
If I close everything, it doesn't come back. If I manually reboot, it doesn't come back. But the auto-reboot restores everything.
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@accalia said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
catch fire and urn in a pyromantic blaze of glory
I approve of that accalia, @accalia!
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@dkf said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@accalia said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
catch fire and urn in a pyromantic blaze of glory
I approve of that accalia, @accalia!
......
wow.....
just wow.
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@Magus said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
But the auto-reboot restores everything.
It has not once restored my progress in the Quake missions it interrupts.
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@mott555 Hey, I can't help you if you somehow manage to get it to reboot while you use it, when it gives you three days of warning.
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@Magus said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@mott555 Hey, I can't help you if you somehow manage to get it to reboot while you use it, when it gives you three days of warning.
I still don't believe that three day warning exists.
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Looks like corporate IT got something sorted out through Group Policy. Win10 updates are completely disabled now. Yay, no more spontaneous reboots in the middle of testing a build script that takes two hours to execute!
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@mott555 Whether or not it exists, it's still rude to reboot when the user is in the middle of running a full-screen application. It's the computer saying “fuck you, my needs are more important than yours” to its owner.
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@dkf said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
It's the computer saying “fuck you,
my needs are more important than yoursyour security is more important than having a bit of fun” to its owner.
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@Magus said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
It's the computer saying “fuck you,
my needs are more important than yoursyour security is more important than having a bit of funyour security is more important than the time your company is paying you for” to its owner.
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@Magus Because Windows is sooooo insecure that even if you are behind a firewall, with an up-to-date AV, you have to apply updates ASAP ???
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@mott555 If your company triggers the reboot, which it should be the one doing, yes? Unless your IT is incompetent.
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My work laptop is Win 10, I don't get the warning, I just get a notification that "updates were installed"
Fortunately it's only ever installed updates on Patch Tuesdays...
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@Magus said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@mott555 If your company triggers the reboot, which it should be the one doing, yes? Unless your IT is incompetent. Then you just have to get used to Microsoft's incompetence, too.
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@dcon said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Pretty sure it's an old man who screams at people.
GET OFF MY
/usr/bin
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@Magus And what exactly do you think the chances of being exploited by something which one of these security updates fixes is, in the time that you may be doing something until the time you actually want to reboot? When you [I hope] have an antivirus and a firewall installed, and any other sane practices? C'mon now.
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@Erufael Honestly? With the majority of people, somewhere between 12 hours and 12 years.
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@brianw13a said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Today's adventure involves restarting to install updates without any warning.
Oh look, another person who ignored the three-day warning.
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I don't have to re-open my IDE, open the project(s) I am working on, find where I was in which file and at what line.
? Your IDE forgets that information? Even Notepad++ supports that basic functionality!
@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
If MS made cars, you people would find it normal that every time you get in it, you have to re-adjust the seat and mirrors, and set all the radio stations.
In my family, my parents frequently use each other's car for various reasons and often have to re-adjust the seat, mirrors, and radio to suit their preferences. Cars aren't really designed to streamline multiple users anyway.
@Magus said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
If I close everything, it doesn't come back. If I manually reboot, it doesn't come back. But the auto-reboot restores everything.
shutdown /g /t 0
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option replicates this behavior. Obviously it only works for applications that register for this behavior, hence why games don't typically support it...
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@LB_ said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
In my family, my parents frequently use each other's car for various reasons and often have to re-adjust the seat, mirrors, and radio to suit their preferences. Cars aren't really designed to streamline multiple users anyway.
There are high-end cars where those settings are adjusted electronically, and separate settings are kept for each key.
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
If MS made cars, you people would find it normal that every time you get in it, you have to re-adjust the seat and mirrors, and set all the radio stations
I share a car with my wife, so that sounds about right
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@TimeBandit said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Because Windows is sooooo insecure that even if you are behind a firewall, with an up-to-date AV, you have to apply updates
ASAPafter three days
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In today's episode, after I installed "update" in my Win10 Pro x64, it turns out to be an "upgrade" or what that cost me 10 minutes to install.
After installation, the "Try Office" App is back (thus the notification to ask me to try Office 365 for 30 days).
Worse, an "Asus Welcome" App is installed to tell me to upgrade to Win10...
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@cheong Why haven't you tried Office 365 yet? It's really quite nice.
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@drurowin said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@cheong Why haven't you tried Office 365 yet? It's really quite nice.
Because I have Office 2013 on my Surface Pro 3 already.
I seperate the use of "for work" and "for gaming" computer. Is there any problem on that?
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@cheong Your licence for Office lets you install the software on one desktop and one laptop that you own. You're not getting the full value of your subscription by not taking all the installs you're offered. :)
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@drurowin said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@cheong Your licence for Office lets you install the software on one desktop and one laptop that you own. You're not getting the full value of your subscription by not taking all the installs you're offered. :)
Not for Office 2013 Home. From the eula file:
How can I use the software? We do not sell our software or your copy of it – we only license it. Under our license we grant you the right to install and run that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer) for use by one person at a time, but only if you comply with all the terms of this agreement ... You may not separate or virtualize the components and install them on different computers.
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@cheong Ah. You should upgrade to Office 365 then. You're missing out on some of the latest features with a version that's so old.
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@drurowin said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@cheong Ah. You should upgrade to Office 365 then. You're missing out on some of the latest features with a version that's so old.
Old? I think it's just one version behind Office 2016 (Office 365 is in fact subscription based Office 2016 now - was Office 2013)
And I don't see Office 2016 comes with any compelling new features that justify me throw a few thousand dollars for upgrade (Sorry, I still don't want Office 365. I prefer to buy software through one-time payment)
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@drurowin Office365 can go chew rocks. I have the Home & Student 2007 version that came with a 3-user license and pretty much the only feature I miss is being able to right-click, V to paste values. Instead, it's a whole painful two keystrokes more: I have to right-click, S, V, ↵.
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@LB_ said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
In my family, my parents frequently use each other's car for various reasons and often have to re-adjust the seat, mirrors, and radio to suit their preferences. Cars aren't really designed to streamline multiple users anyway.
My super sci-fi mega-car has 5 different seat position "save slots".
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@anotherusername Why not just hit control-V without the strange and unnecessary right-click?
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@blakeyrat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@anotherusername Why not just hit control-V without the strange and unnecessary right-click?
Because he wants to insert values only. The default for ctrl-v is to keep the formatting as well.
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@anotherusername said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
being able to right-click, V to paste values.
I thought Alt+Ctrl+V,V,Enter accomplished this? Why use the mouse when the keyboard is right there?
Edit: in case people think I'm serious...
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@cheong said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Because I have Office 2013 on my Surface Pro 3 already.
I'm still using 2003 on one of my computers. It does what I need. (Tho it will be upgraded soon.)
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@Tsaukpaetra Oh hey, looks like the <kbd> tag has been reformatted?
Used to be white background...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@Tsaukpaetra Oh hey, looks like the <kbd> tag has been reformatted?
Used to be white background...
white
No repro:
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@dcon said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
No repro:
So... wait... it matches the theme now?!
Blasphemy! The sanctity of the Key has been violated!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
it matches the theme now?!
No, it doesn't match the theme I'm using…
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@dkf said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
No, it doesn't
Sorry if it wasn't tested...
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@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@brianw13a said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Today's adventure involves restarting to install updates without any warning.
Oh look, another person who ignored the three-day warning.
What makes you think I had a three day warning? Even if I did and ignored it, who are they to decide to interrupt my work for a reboot?
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@brianw13a said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
What makes you think I had a three day warning?
Just because you didn't notice it doesn't mean it wasn't there.
@brianw13a said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Even if I did and ignored it, who are they to decide to interrupt my work for a reboot?
The people who are sick and tired of you[1] whining about your computer getting pwned because you never apply security updates.
[1] I don't necessarily mean you personally.