I hate printers, with a passion
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On a completely different note, I must have woken up on Earth 73 today. I'm working from home with my work laptop, and I printed something on my (wirelessly networked) home printer. No installation, drivers or anything; it was just listed in the printer list and worked perfectly on the first try.
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@kazitor said in I hate printers, with a passion:
insufficient[in the actual sense, not the ' <20% ' sense]
It is absolutely necessary to have 20% ink remaining or you might damage the print heads. You know, the ones that are a single unit with the ink container and get replaced along with the new ink cartridge.
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@kazitor said in I hate printers, with a passion:
if there is insufficient cyan ink, the printer should complain because it is legitimately unable to produce the requested document. black ink ≠ black colour.
Is this a thing ink based printers do? my color laserjet's been out of yellow toner for AGES and it still farts out the black and white documents just fine when I need to print something.
Which is usually about once a year in tax season, because I want to keep copies of my filings just in case.
So glad I got the laser back in college, otherwise I'd need to buy new ink cartridges every year just to print the 20 or so pages I need to throw in the fire safe and hope I never need again..... this things still on the last set of cartridges I bought before graduating eight years ago....
Not to say this printer's without issues mind, but it can and will print with empty toner cartridges. The color prints might not look good with a missing color, but it'll print and grey scale only requires the K cartridge to be in working order to look practically perfect.
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What we need is VantaBlack ink!
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@topspin said in I hate printers, with a passion:
The real solution here would of course be
To buy a laser color printer and never, ever have to deal with ink cartridges again.
Instead, you get to deal with color toner cartridges!
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@topspin said in I hate printers, with a passion:
The real solution here would of course be
To buy a laser color printer and never, ever have to deal with ink cartridges again.
Or better yet, buy a black laser printer and go to Staples or wherever for any colour printing you need to do
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@hungrier said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@topspin said in I hate printers, with a passion:
The real solution here would of course be
To buy a laser color printer and never, ever have to deal with ink cartridges again.
Or better yet,
buy a black laser printer andgo to Staples or wherever for anycolourprinting you need to doAs mentioned previously, I personally print at work and a copy shop wasn’t available anywhere close back then. The last part seems to have changed, there’s now a drug store that offers photo printing and while I’ve not tried it yet, they also seem to offer normal copying/scanning/printing.
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@PleegWat said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Can you imagine the uproar if a car were to suddenly stop along the highway, since it cannot guarantee your perfect driving experience without a refill of gas, oil, adbleu, and exotic miracle fluid, refilling of which requires replacing half the engine with new and certified parts?
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Color lasers does not need an USB port on your PC because they use network (LAN/Wi-Fi) so you can put them anywehre
You can print to networked color laser from any device, not just PCWow, I thought this was completely orthogonal to the media involved in printing. TIL.
Filed under: Print anywehre
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@kazitor said in I hate printers, with a passion:
I implore you to see for yourself how #231f20 appears if you struggle to comprehend how mixing in more ink in a subtractive colour scheme could possibly result in a darker colour.
Joke's on you - my laptop display has too low contrast to be able to show the difference!
(Either that or I'm black-white colorblind.)
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
- Color lasers does not need an USB port on your PC because they use network (LAN/Wi-Fi) so you can put them anywehre
- You can print to networked color laser from any device, not just PC
I hope you realize this applies to ink printers as well?
...Nah, who am I kidding. Of course you don't.
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Mason_Wheeler said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Instead, you get to deal with color toner cartridges!
As previously stated those do not use color cartridges when printing black text on white pages.
Further benefits of color laser are:
- Toner doesn't suffer from ink drying out when unused
- Laser doesn't have nozzles that clog with dried ink if not used every day and don't require cleaning in an ultrasound bath to fix
- Color lasers does not need an USB port on your PC because they use network (LAN/Wi-Fi) so you can put them anywehre
- You can print to networked color laser from any device, not just PC
I have no pity for people using inkjet in 2019.
those last two can apply to any printer that's network aware.
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@hungrier said in I hate printers, with a passion:
On a completely different note, I must have woken up on Earth 73 today. I'm working from home with my work laptop, and I printed something on my (wirelessly networked) home printer. No installation, drivers or anything; it was just listed in the printer list and worked perfectly on the first try.
There's a nosleep story in that paragraph about a mysterious printer showing up on the network without using authentication if a writer wants to steal it.
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Oh for f
Earlier I tried to look for an example of a printer for sale that cost less than the replacement ink cartridge, and now I'm getting ads for printers.
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@hungrier said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Oh for f
Earlier I tried to look for an example of a printer for sale that cost less than the replacement ink cartridge, and now I'm getting ads for printers.
I thought that was "all of them" because most inkjet printers actually come with "demo" ink cartridges.
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@kazitor said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Put differently: if you just want a cartridge of black, get a super-fancy printer that has one in addition to its 20 other cartridges, or stick with a plain B&W where the black is intended to look black.
It depends on whose printer you buy. Canon printers (or at least all the ones I've had) come with separately-replaceable tanks per colour, as well as two black tanks, one for darkening colours and the other for monochrome content. Even better, I don't have to use Canon's own ink to do the refills.
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Color lasers does not need an USB port on your PC because they use network (LAN/Wi-Fi) so you can put them anywehre
You can print to networked color laser from any device, not just PCNo-one's ever invented an inkjet that can do these things.
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@kazitor said in I hate printers, with a passion:
or stick with a plain B&W where the black is intended to look black.
Yeah, I'd had enough of inkjet shenanigans, so I got a mono laser for home. It's still on the toner cartridge that came with it and I think it's at least 5 years old.
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@JBert said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@hungrier said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Oh for f
Earlier I tried to look for an example of a printer for sale that cost less than the replacement ink cartridge, and now I'm getting ads for printers.
I thought that was "all of them" because most inkjet printers actually come with "demo" ink cartridges.
You mean those that are only 10% full, unlike the retail ones that are 25% full?
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@kazitor said in I hate printers, with a passion:
The priority for a black ink is something that can be used to make colours darker, which certainly does not mean it should appear as a deep, rich black on its own.
Sorry, that argument doesn't hold water when they sell B&W printers that use the same black cartridge used in the color ones.
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@topspin said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@JBert said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@hungrier said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Oh for f
Earlier I tried to look for an example of a printer for sale that cost less than the replacement ink cartridge, and now I'm getting ads for printers.
I thought that was "all of them" because most inkjet printers actually come with "demo" ink cartridges.
You mean those that are only 10% full, unlike the retail ones that are 25% full?
entirely unlike the laserjet cartridges which are 100% full at point of sale because unlike consumers business customers (the largest market for laser printers) will NOT put up with the sorts of shenanigans that inkjet manufacturers get away with.
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@loopback0 said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Color lasers does not need an USB port on your PC because they use network (LAN/Wi-Fi) so you can put them anywehre
You can print to networked color laser from any device, not just PCNo-one's ever invented an inkjet that can do these things.
Definitely not. Also, nobody's ever made an inkjet printer that will print black only when one of the other colors is empty. I absolutely didn't get rid of one with both features earlier this year either.
And to respond from something else from earlier: whether RGB 0,0,0 ends up being printed as CMYK 0,0,0,100 depends a lot on what is doing the color conversion. The layout application I worked on years ago had extra settings on RGB graphics and colors for that sort of thing in addition to the per-graphic profiles and whatnot. The same applies to printing something in grayscale; my printer from earlier (an OfficeJet 7780) had an option in the print dialog to use "black ink only" rather than color or rich black.
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@topspin said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Oh yes, of course it can't fucking print a black and white document anymore because the fucking CYAN is empty. (It's always cyan, isn't it?!)
it refuses to print a b/w document for lack of cyan
I don't even need cyan ink, it's only empty because of their fucking head cleaning utility
Actually, as the former owner of several Epson inkjet printers, it's not just the head-cleaning utility (the head-cleaning utility which doesn't work worth a fuck and eventually you'll have to throw the printer out and buy a new one because everything you print will look like shit).
The real reason you're out of Cyan is because even if you print nothing but Black text, the printer still uses all the colors. Remember: all colors mixed together = Black.
It's just one more way of screwing people and forcing you to buy more ink.
At home I threw out my last inkjet printer a few years ago and bought an inexpensive b/w laser printer.
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@Cursorkeys said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Yeah, I'd had enough of inkjet shenanigans, so I got a mono laser for home. It's still on the toner cartridge that came with it and I think it's at least 5 years old.
My cheap mono laser printer at home has been complaining for months that it is "low on toner".
Still prints just fine
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@El_Heffe said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Cursorkeys said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Yeah, I'd had enough of inkjet shenanigans, so I got a mono laser for home. It's still on the toner cartridge that came with it and I think it's at least 5 years old.
My cheap mono laser printer at home has been complaining for months that it is "low on toner".
Still prints just fine
i don't replace the toner until the prints become unacceptably low quality, streaky, blotchy, and or insufficiently dark.
usually it's years between starting to complain about low toner and actually replacing the toner....
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@El_Heffe said in I hate printers, with a passion:
At home I threw out my last inkjet printer a few years ago and bought an inexpensive b/w laser printer.
I threw out my HP inkjet when it started refusing to print because it thought that the genuine HP cartridges fitted weren't genuine HP cartridges. Now I just print at work on the rare occasion I need to print.
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@JBert said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@PleegWat said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Can you imagine the uproar if a car were to suddenly stop along the highway, since it cannot guarantee your perfect driving experience without a refill of gas, oil, adbleu, and exotic miracle fluid, refilling of which requires replacing half the engine with new and certified parts? While actually all that's up is that it's running low on windshield wiper fluid?
"Sorry, your anti-freeze expired"
Why am I envisioning Tesla developers now?...
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@hungrier said in I hate printers, with a passion:
it's completely unnecessary if you're printing invoices or whatever silly task 99.99% of home and office printers are used for
which would explain why my printer is B&W... (and my inkjet is color. Assuming the ink hasn't solidified by now...)
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@Vixen said in I hate printers, with a passion:
i don't replace the toner until the prints become unacceptably low quality, streaky, blotchy, and or insufficiently dark.
I've worked with some that don't let you get that far. They'll complain. Then stop. "You. Will. Replace. The. Toner. NOW!"
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@dcon said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Vixen said in I hate printers, with a passion:
i don't replace the toner until the prints become unacceptably low quality, streaky, blotchy, and or insufficiently dark.
I've worked with some that don't let you get that far. They'll complain. Then stop. "You. Will. Replace. The. Toner. NOW!"
i have a solution for printers that do that.
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@dcon said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Assuming the ink hasn't solidified by now
An optimist, I see
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@Vixen said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@dcon said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Vixen said in I hate printers, with a passion:
i don't replace the toner until the prints become unacceptably low quality, streaky, blotchy, and or insufficiently dark.
I've worked with some that don't let you get that far. They'll complain. Then stop. "You. Will. Replace. The. Toner. NOW!"
i have a solution for printers
that do that.FTFY
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Mason_Wheeler said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Instead, you get to deal with color toner cartridges!
As previously stated those do not use color cartridges when printing black text on white pages.
Further benefits of color laser are:
- Toner doesn't suffer from ink drying out when unused
- Laser doesn't have nozzles that clog with dried ink if not used every day and don't require cleaning in an ultrasound bath to fix
- Color lasers does not need an USB port on your PC because they use network (LAN/Wi-Fi) so you can put them anywehre
- You can print to networked color laser from any device, not just PC
I have no pity for people using inkjet in 2019.
Pretty sure all of those things are true for my inkjet too. Which as a bonus actually tells me when the cartridges are empty, instead of me ending up with fifteen pages of garbage, and never gets a postscript buffer overflow and starts printing fifty pages of random characters. Look, I too can blame the printer technology for a design that was vastly outdated when I switched!
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@hungrier said in I hate printers, with a passion:
On a completely different note, I must have woken up on Earth 73 today. I'm working from home with my work laptop, and I printed something on my (wirelessly networked) home printer. No installation, drivers or anything; it was just listed in the printer list and worked perfectly on the first try.
Can I send over my HP all-in-one? It suddenly refuses to talk to my NAS.
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Oh! Speaking of (the real reason I'm in this thread) apparently the printing plugin got an update.
What was the update?
Well, maybe I'll get a chance to update my review.... Eh, who am I kidding?
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Windows will never show this -- not when installing nor when selecting a printer to print on.
Yes, it does. When installing, you can even search for a location. I can't figure out how to give you a screenshot since I'd have to redact the location anyway. But it definitely does. It's not Windows's fault if your AD administrators don't fill out the Location field that's meant for this.
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
That's why Apple phones are superior.
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Somewhat related.
The comment section is basically this thread.
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
That's why Apple phones are superior. They don't need those plugins to print.
I assume these plugins exist for the same reason they do on Windows-- you can abstract the print operation as much as possible and see "The job was spooled to the printer," and that's cool. But sometimes you want a little more information like "Your pages were printed to Tray 1" or "The printer has your job now; enter your PIN to print," that are implementation-specific.
In these cases the lack of plugins is not a boon.
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@Parody said in I hate printers, with a passion:
my printer from earlier (an OfficeJet 7780) had an option in the print dialog to use "black ink only"
At least one of my old printers had that. My current Canon doesn't; at least, I have not found such an option.
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Tsaukpaetra said in I hate printers, with a passion:
apparently the printing plugin got an update.
That's why Apple phones are superior. They don't need those plugins to print.
Bonus thing -- if you specify the physical location of a printer in the printer settings, Apple phone will show you location under the name so you will know where the printer is (in case your company has several of the same models) but Windows will never show this -- not when installing nor when selecting a printer to print on.
That day when the phone OS has better usability in the office than the OS built for office use.
Fuck are you on about? I see the location just fine.
I didn't even have to tell my phone that.
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@HardwareGeek said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Parody said in I hate printers, with a passion:
my printer from earlier (an OfficeJet 7780) had an option in the print dialog to use "black ink only"
At least one of my old printers had that. My current Canon doesn't; at least, I have not found such an option.
Yeah, it sucks that these things haven't become standard features. I've got access to an Epson inkjet now but I don't know how it acts yet. Can't wait to find out. :(
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
I am an idiot making frivolous claims
You have a penchant for it. Why waste cycles checking if the reverse is true?
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@heterodox said in I hate printers, with a passion:
In these cases the lack of plugins is not a boon.
Or you could just enable AirPrint and have it all magically work without drivers and apps.
Tell me where the magical "AirPrint" is on my plugin-less Windows computer and I'll give you a shot to the balls.
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@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
I am talking about Windows 10 not being capable of showing the device or geo location entered on the network printer itself
Perhaps it would be useful if the printer gave its location correctly.
What it's supposed to read:
Why can't it tell Windows the truth?
Because, in short, the WSD (and accompanying DPWS) specifications don't allow such a thing.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@levicki said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@heterodox said in I hate printers, with a passion:
In these cases the lack of plugins is not a boon.
Or you could just enable AirPrint and have it all magically work without drivers and apps.
Tell me where the magical "AirPrint" is on my plugin-less Windows computer and I'll give you a shot to the balls.
While it's not without (rather generic) drivers, that wireless-enabled Epson printer just showed up in the Printers section of my Windows 10 install after I hooked up to the local network. That's enough to get you printing, though you probably want to install the fancier drivers from the company for more options.