There's no P in hamster...
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@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
@da-Doctah said in There's no P in hamster...:
Them: "There's no P in hamster..."
Me: "Maybe you're just not squeezing them hard enough."This thread just became pure gold.
(inb4: the Nope thread is
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@remi said in There's no P in hamster...:
(inb4: the
Nopekink thread is)
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@El_Heffe said in There's no P in hamster...:
Twitter is a flaming bag of dog shit on the front porch of life.
Be more selective. Your life will improve.
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@dkf said in There's no P in hamster...:
Be more selective.
Stop reading Twitter. Your life will improve.
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@Karla said in There's no P in hamster...:
@PJH said in There's no P in hamster...:
@Karla said in There's no P in hamster...:
I don't normally take the time to try to read images that display the small.
Clicking it shows the original...
Derp....yeah that would have been easier.
Sorry, the correct answer was:
"Don't mansplain to me!!"
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@e4tmyl33t said in There's no P in hamster...:
Not quite to THAT level, but spelling and grammar is one of those things that is a never-ending battle with the helpdesk technicians that get put on my helpdesk. It doesn't help that there's also the two-sided war of QA's "Do your damn tickets right" versus Management's "Do your tickets quick so you can be back in queue inside the company-decided after-call-work metric of two minutes"
Have you ever read The Chronicles of George?
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@The_Quiet_One said in There's no P in hamster...:
@e4tmyl33t said in There's no P in hamster...:
Not quite to THAT level, but spelling and grammar is one of those things that is a never-ending battle with the helpdesk technicians that get put on my helpdesk. It doesn't help that there's also the two-sided war of QA's "Do your damn tickets right" versus Management's "Do your tickets quick so you can be back in queue inside the company-decided after-call-work metric of two minutes"
Have you ever read The Chronicles of George?
Repeatedly, and I'm a member of their forums
Unfortunately, it still uses Discourse
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@e4tmyl33t I didn't even know they had a forum at all. Figured it was a long forgotten relic of the Internet preserved only by someone's recurring payment to Go Daddy.
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@The_Quiet_One Nope, that's actually maintained by an Ars Technica writer and hosted on a server he keeps in his house, along with his personal blog and the forums.
I'm betting with Discourse on that box it saves him from having to pay much for heating in the winter.
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@Gąska said in There's no P in hamster...:
Twitter is the JavaScript of social media. They've made every single bad design decision they could possibly make, and somehow they've still become the industry standard of the internet and you have no other choice but to use it, or turn your back on the entire ecosystem.
I think JavaScript has given me Stockholm Syndrome.
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@error said in There's no P in hamster...:
I think JavaScript has given me Stockholm Syndrome.
Better than Stockholm giving you JavaScript Syndrome.
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@dkf said in There's no P in hamster...:
I follow artists, authors, poets, and people I know through other means.
It is pretty cool when someone you admire responds to you, or even follows you.
Filed under: Joey Comeau follows me on Twitter.
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@dkf said in There's no P in hamster...:
@error said in There's no P in hamster...:
I think JavaScript has given me Stockholm Syndrome.
Better than Stockholm giving you JavaScript Syndrome.
I know a few people like that.
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@cvi That would probably be something for Tumblr, but is there anyone left there?
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Almost as weird as that girl is this twitter response
What the fuck are you talking about, Nick?
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@anonymous234 There's no P in John Cougar Mellencam
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@The_Quiet_One said in There's no P in hamster...:
@e4tmyl33t said in There's no P in hamster...:
Not quite to THAT level, but spelling and grammar is one of those things that is a never-ending battle with the helpdesk technicians that get put on my helpdesk. It doesn't help that there's also the two-sided war of QA's "Do your damn tickets right" versus Management's "Do your tickets quick so you can be back in queue inside the company-decided after-call-work metric of two minutes"
Have you ever read The Chronicles of George?
I had not, and holy shit there are some good ones! Thanks!
My favourite from the first page. Butt stuff always works:
My hole area can't send e-mails either, but I don't consider that a problem. Perhaps I'm just different.
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@dfdub said in There's no P in hamster...:
@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
If you think dogs don't do the same, you've never met an intelligent dog. Even after centuries of selective breeding and puppy training, they still like to trick their human owners.Dogs aren't that smart. I taught my dog to play chess but I can still beat him 3 games out of 5.
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Re: original topic.
I thing her smelling is great.
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@Zecc said in There's no P in hamster...:
@MrL said in There's no P in hamster...:
It's like participating in a group chat all the time. Who would want that? And why?
/me questions why he's sitting here reading WTDWTF at 1h30 AM.
Because the Internet is down and it's less bandwidth intensive than YouTube?
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@dfdub said in There's no P in hamster...:
If you think dogs don't do the same, you've never met an intelligent dog.
That's right, I've never met an intelligent dog.
Just like I've never met a round square or dry water.
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@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
@Rhywden said in There's no P in hamster...:
Oh, great, using an abnormal person to refute things.
Judging by your posts, the amount of abnormal persons has skyrocketed so using them as an argument seems entirely valid to me.
The point is that you used the precisely wrong type of person in order to prove your point.
Your original argument was that positive reinforcement was a problem. And then you used socio-/psychopaths as a means of obtaining evidence.
However, research shows that these types don't respond to the punishment side of behaviourism as well as normal persons do. What does that leave for those types in order to influence their behaviour?
Right. Reinforcement... Behavioural training is a process by the way. It's also not a guaranteed receipe and never made the claim to be such.
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@remi said in There's no P in hamster...:
@The_Quiet_One said in There's no P in hamster...:
@e4tmyl33t said in There's no P in hamster...:
Not quite to THAT level, but spelling and grammar is one of those things that is a never-ending battle with the helpdesk technicians that get put on my helpdesk. It doesn't help that there's also the two-sided war of QA's "Do your damn tickets right" versus Management's "Do your tickets quick so you can be back in queue inside the company-decided after-call-work metric of two minutes"
Have you ever read The Chronicles of George?
I had not, and holy shit there are some good ones! Thanks!
My favourite from the first page. Butt stuff always works:
My hole area can't send e-mails either, but I don't consider that a problem. Perhaps I'm just different.
Good lord, I know that thing. Is that DevTrack? I had to use it before.
But then, I guess it was just a bit ugly and not all that bad. Probably generally miles ahead of the craptastic software produced this decade.
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I was getting annoyed about half-way through reading that, but then, are we even questioning if that strange exchange happened at all? Or if it's not
anonymizedembellished beyond recognition, like the front page articles?INB4: the what? / Microsoft
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@dkf said in There's no P in hamster...:
@Gąska said in There's no P in hamster...:
Twitter is the JavaScript of social media.
I would agree… except there's Facebook.
I may actually agree that Farceberk is the javascript of social media. And Twatter is the Perl. I mean, twats is pretty much perl golfing.
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@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
Did you ever actually watch two say lions fight? What exactly they can do to make the fight not fair? Human vs human can -- one pulls a gun the other doesn't have and it's done. No animals have such powers.
Lions cheat by ganging up. Some male lion siblings stay together for life, to gain an advantage from being two.
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@topspin said in There's no P in hamster...:
Good lord, I know that thing. Is that DevTrack? I had to use it before.
IIRC it's some old Remedy variant
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@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
For territory yes, but they never kill thousands to millions of other members of their own species like humans did (and somewhere on this God forsaken planet still do).
IIRC, ants do.
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@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
Cats are exception, those sadistic bastards as they do kill for fun.
I suspect you've never lived on a farm or had a litter of puppies. Cute and as dumb as a box of rocks. Will happily kill a cornered cat and not eat it.
For territory yes, but they never kill thousands to millions of other members of their own species like humans did (and somewhere on this God forsaken planet still do).
Meercats are actually the biggest threat to their own species. Most of them die at the paws of another meercat. If you look at ant colonies they will happily go to war and eliminate each other. Hornets will demolish a honey bee farm if left unchecked. The only thing stopping the animals from mass industrial sized genocides of each other is that there isn't that many nor will we allow them to get to the size or intelligence to see that happen. The first alien species that we meet will have as checkered a past we do.
Oooooooohh did I mention that sharks will eat eachother in the womb.
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@DogsB said in There's no P in hamster...:
sharks will eat eachother in the womb.
extraordinary!
mostly because sharks are fish and thus lay eggs.
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@Luhmann said in There's no P in hamster...:
@DogsB said in There's no P in hamster...:
sharks will eat eachother in the womb.
extraordinary!
mostly because sharks are fish and thus lay eggs.
#NotAllSharks
Shark Reproduction - EnchantedLearning.com
Shark reproduction. Unlike most bony fish, shark's eggs are fertilized inside the female's body. The male shark has 'claspers' located behind the pelvic fins that are used to fertilize the eggs in the female with sperm. Most sharks give birth to live young, but some release eggs that hatch later.
Most sharks give live birth, with eggs fertilized inside the body. Some are oviparous, but most aren't
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@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
"Only reward, no punishment" can be applied to benevolent beings such as dogs, but not to fully sentient cheaters a.k.a. homo sapiens.
Dogs are just as big cheaters as humans. And they understand very well what they can actually get away rather than what you may be trying to tell them.And no punishment does not really work on them either. You just have to be more careful with the punishment, because it only works if they understand what the punishment is for, so you have to catch them in the act and the punishment shoud be related to whatever they are trying to do, so more like making the failure particularly bad.
@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
An animal will kill another for food. It will use claws, teeth, hooves and horns usually in a fair fight.
There ain't no such thing as fair fight to death. Especially in the nature.
@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
Human vs human can -- one pulls a gun the other doesn't have and it's done. No animals have such powers.
They don't have such powers, but they'll still readily attack at massive numerical advantage, attack injured or otherwise severely disadvantaged opponents, will try to utilize environment to their advantage etc. In fact, most animals will only attack at advantage.
The only fights that are somewhat fair are fights for mating in species that don't fight them to death, because it is generally better to follow customary rules than risk life. But that's a tiny fraction of fights.
@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
They also have no motivation to kill unless hungry or threatened.
Never seen cat playing with a mouse and then leaving the battered carcass behind?
(Actually, it usually does not leave the carcass behind, it leaves it to you—cat's are opportunistically social and do help each other if they live in a pack.)
@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
Cats are exception, those sadistic bastards as they do kill for fun.
No, they are not. They are just the one species that shares our homes but otherwise behaves just like it always did in the wild.
Most carnivores will do that when there is enough prey. The saying about fox in the henhouse exists for a reason. They also often kill smaller carnivores at sight. And have you never heard of the wars Chimpanzee wage?
@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
On the other hand, a man will go to war and commit genocide over something as imaginary as religious beliefs
Men will, with exception of some ‘neuroatypical’ ones, always go to war for resources, even though they use imaginary things like religion to rally themselves to it. We haven't managed to have sufficiently abstract conversation with Chimpanzee yet so we don't really know what they use to rally themselves, but it's quite possible it's just as imaginary.
@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
Put it this way, if you play fetch with a dog, your dog has no second thoughts about bringing the ball back to you -- it is genuinely enjoying the activity of playing with you.
But that's because that's a game, not something you are trying to teach them.
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@Bulb said in There's no P in hamster...:
Most carnivores will do that when there is enough prey.
Herbivores also occasionally kill for fun or because they're annoyed. And rarely, some one them might decide to eat meat just because they feel like it, even though their digestive system isn't designed for it.
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@Bulb said in There's no P in hamster...:
@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
"Only reward, no punishment" can be applied to benevolent beings such as dogs, but not to fully sentient cheaters a.k.a. homo sapiens.
Dogs are just as big cheaters as humans. And they understand very well what they can actually get away rather than what you may be trying to tell them.Indeed. My dog knows very well that I don't want her to eat shit. Yet she'll do it happily, not only when I'm not looking (which a contorted view might say she has actually learnt that I don't want to see her eat it), but also when I am looking, provided I'm not close enough, or she's fast enough. If I try to reward her for not eating the thing, she will accept my treat (or whatever the reward is), and then go back straight to the thing. She clearly knows she's disobeying and cheating (it's clear in her body language that she hasn't a clear conscience, to use a human metaphor), yet she does it.
Most carnivores will do that when there is enough prey. The saying about fox in the henhouse exists for a reason. They also often kill smaller carnivores at sight. And have you never heard of the wars Chimpanzee wage?
Many people around where I live have hens, and everyone has at least one story of a fox or weasel getting into the henhouse and killing them, and not even bothering taking a single one back with them. These fuckers clearly enjoy the chase and the kill without caring about the food, no doubt about it.
@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
Put it this way, if you play fetch with a dog, your dog has no second thoughts about bringing the ball back to you -- it is genuinely enjoying the activity of playing with you.
But that's because that's a game, not something you are trying to teach them.
Or they do it because they're social animals and we've conditioned them to please us. They thrive on getting our approval (some more than others, depends on breed etc.). Some dogs will only play as long as you are enthusiastic about it. Some may even only play as long as you give them a reward (which might just be verbal, which is kind of the same thing as the previous point). I guess at this point, you could say that they are doing it as salaried work -- doesn't mean they don't enjoy doing it, like any of us sometime do enjoy our work (well at least I do, and I hope that you also do otherwise your life is probably pretty miserable...). They're not that far from us in many regards...
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@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
Or you are all saying that animals also have concepts of greed, envy, and spite?
This has been studied. Some animals definitely do have similar concepts.
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@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
Or you are all saying that animals also have concepts of greed, envy, and spite?
Have you ever met a cat?
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@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
Or you are all saying that animals also have concepts of greed, envy, and spite?
I think they do, or at least some of them have some similar concepts. I remember studies of how you can get rats to organise in "gangs" that will fight each other without any reason (not for mating, food or anything else), I think one way was to overcrowd them or something like (i.e. apply some kind of pressure on their environment). Dogs and wolves (or was it some other animals?) can also show jealousy by refusing a treat when another next to them got a bigger treat for doing less work. It's not quite the exact concepts you're listing, but definitely the same kind of things.
And that's just two things I remember out of the top of my head, from a couple of random clipping read here and there. I'm pretty sure that if we had behavioural biologists around, they would have many more examples.
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@dfdub cape buffalo are notorious for hunting down people and killing them. They're vicious.
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@Benjamin-Hall There are also dozens of documented cases of cows eating small animals for seemingly no reason.
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@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
@remi said in There's no P in hamster...:
My dog knows very well that I don't want her to eat shit.
You might want to supplement her diet with some vitamins. Also, taking dog out for a walk when it is sated instead of hungry helps.
I know, and I've tried various things, with little success (it was worse when she was younger, though). Ultimately the main factor is that she's a Lab and is therefore always, always hungry. This is not a figure of speech, it's been shown that Labs are missing some genes about satiety and they are literally always hungry (they share this trait with a couple of other breeds such as retrievers, and ours is a cross between a lab... and a retriever!). That was (indirectly) selected for over the years as this makes them very eager to learn (any edible treat will get you their full attention). It's also what makes labs so prone to becoming obese, and we're literally weighting the food we give her to keep her in shape.
It's kind of sad when you think about it but... that's how it is!
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@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
When overcrowded they would fight but that is creating artificial pressure which in nature
Your view of nature is so romanticized that I'm worried you're going to either link PETA or start preaching about the Original Sin soon.
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@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
I also don't think that human population has reached the levels of overcrowdedness needed for so much pointless violence that happens today.
You haven't spent any time in some of the most violent suburbs or similar, haven't you?
I definitely believe that the uncomfortable and overcrowded living conditions in some areas do very clearly contribute to some of the pointless violence and crime.
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@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
I also don't think that human population has reached the levels of overcrowdedness needed for so much pointless violence that happens today.
You do know that most of us live in cities with barely ten square metres to call our own? Most of the rest of the land is utilized or in the process of been utilized to accommodate the us.
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@remi said in There's no P in hamster...:
@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
@remi said in There's no P in hamster...:
My dog knows very well that I don't want her to eat shit.
You might want to supplement her diet with some vitamins. Also, taking dog out for a walk when it is sated instead of hungry helps.
I know, and I've tried various things, with little success (it was worse when she was younger, though). Ultimately the main factor is that she's a Lab and is therefore always, always hungry. This is not a figure of speech, it's been shown that Labs are missing some genes about satiety and they are literally always hungry (they share this trait with a couple of other breeds such as retrievers, and ours is a cross between a lab... and a retriever!). That was (indirectly) selected for over the years as this makes them very eager to learn (any edible treat will get you their full attention). It's also what makes labs so prone to becoming obese, and we're literally weighting the food we give her to keep her in shape.
It's kind of sad when you think about it but... that's how it is!
On the bright side we get videos like this out of them!
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@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
If you think that positive reinforcement can fix what capital and other forms of punishment as a deterrent couldn't, you are not just naive but also delusional.
You're still confused on what those models are for and how they are used. Please educate yourself on that before you make yourself look even more foolish.
Capital punishment as a deterrent is so inefficient that it borders non-existance. Maybe you should also educate yourself on what make deterrence work (hint: There are several major factors playing into deterrence and the level of punishment is only one of those).
It's funny how you're using the word "naive" while holding very naive views on how human minds work.
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@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
I also invite you to compare population density in Japan and say USA and then compare number of violent crimes and tell me if you still believe the same.
This example only proves your point if you ignore literally every other variable that could possibly influence the result.
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@levicki said in There's no P in hamster...:
While I do agree to an extent that people can be uncomfortable with crowded spaces I also invite you to compare population density in Japan and say USA and then compare number of violent crimes and tell me if you still believe the same.
Quite apart from all the other confounding factors, an important point is that the Japanese tend to build much more vertically, so while there might be more people per unit area in Japanese urban domestic settings, there are more people per unit inhabited volume in US urban domestic settings and this results in people being more in each others personal space. (Both countries have less heavily populated rural areas. Which we don't care about for this discussion since hardly anyone is living there.)
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