Apple stand
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@levicki said in Apple stand:
This is for
movie studioswannabe latte-sipping Mac-on-the-table cinema-connoisseur kale-juice-organic manbun-vegan gasbags passing off as producers not for average users.
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@HardwareGeek said in Apple stand:
This article proposes that they should have bundled the stand with the display (raising the price) and given a discount for those who don't need one. Is there a "magnet hole in the back of your monitor" standard I missed somewhere? I freely admit that I'm not up on Apple's product line.
Also, how much are Apple-branded power and Thunderbolt cables? $100? If you're moving the monitor around between stands you'll need extras of those too.
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@Parody said in Apple stand:
Is there a "magnet hole in the back of your monitor" standard I missed somewhere?
No but there's a VESA adapter.
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@Parody said in Apple stand:
Is there a "magnet hole in the back of your monitor" standard I missed somewhere?
There is one. It's just that Apple is the only company implementing it at the time. Also it doesn't have a name or a specification yet.
What I'm trying to say is that anything can be a standard if companies adopt it.
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@levicki just because consumers don't "need" what you are offering to them doesn't mean it isn't marketed to them. If you think a company markets to an audience only if they "need" what they are offering, you're ignorant of one of the major reasons Apple is so successful. Nobody needs easy to lose wireless ear buds costing hundreds of dollars for a $1000 phone that doesn't even offer a wired option. Nor does anybody need a $2,000 laptop weighing 1 gram that will be completely useless in 3-5 years after they stop supporting the latest OSX upgrade and cease support for the OS that is installed on it.
I guarantee you Apple will tell its zealots "yes you need this monitor for casual use" because that is what Apple is known to do.
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@levicki said in Apple stand:
99.9999999% of consumers don't need it which means it's not marketed at them.
But Apple will work very hard on convincing them it is.
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@The_Quiet_One said in Apple stand:
@levicki just because consumers don't "need" what you are offering to them doesn't mean it isn't marketed to them. If you think a company markets to an audience only if they "need" what they are offering, you're ignorant of one of the major reasons Apple is so successful. Nobody needs easy to lose wireless ear buds costing hundreds of dollars for a $1000 phone that doesn't even offer a wired option. Nor does anybody need a $2,000 laptop weighing 1 gram that will be completely useless in 3-5 years after they stop supporting the latest OSX upgrade and cease support for the OS that is installed on it.
Right but airpods and $6k monitors with $40k computers aren't the same thing. Airpods are products specifically for consumers, marketed directly at them. The Mac Pro (or the dustbin and now cheesegrater, at least) is not and isn't marketed at them as they're not the primary market. I'd sort of see your point if they had "lower end" models with consumer processors like i7s but as far as I can see they don't.
This obviously doesn't mean that some won't go and buy them anyway.@The_Quiet_One said in Apple stand:
Nobody needs easy to lose wireless ear buds costing hundreds of dollars for a $1000 phone that doesn't even offer a wired option.
What? New iPhones still come with wired (Lightning) earbuds.
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@levicki said in Apple stand:
No, 99.9999999% of consumers don't need it which means it's not marketed at them.
It seems to me a vehemently retarded idea to market to the masses a product that less than a handful of people need...
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@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
What? New iPhones still come with wired (Lightning) earbuds.
Yeah, what a great idea, right? I sit at my office wanting to listen to tunes, and drain the battery while listening to music... and if I like a certain headphone model more than what Apple offers, I'm shit out of luck because it uses the 3.5mm port like every other consumer audio device with a headjack on the planet for some 35-odd years.
Seriously, who the fuck came up with that design? Every device that had a rechargeable battery up to now allowed you to listen to music while you're charging it. But, I'm sure the Apple zealots will come up with some BS excuse like, "The bass is superior over the lightning port" or "It looks sleeker this way" or maybe there's some $150 device that lets you do both at the same time.
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@The_Quiet_One said in Apple stand:
Seriously, who the fuck came up with that design? Every device that had a rechargeable battery up to now allowed you to listen to music while you're charging it. But, I'm sure the Apple zealots will come up with some BS excuse like, "The bass is superior over the lightning port" or "It looks sleeker this way" or maybe there's some $150 device that lets you do both at the same time.
No, the headphone thing is clearly retarded and meant to rip off the masses with "fashion". That doesn’t mean this monitor isn’t primarily marketed at people who actually know WTF 1000 nits are. The stand is Apple-style ridiculous, the monitor is expensive, but so are competing monitors for this.
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@The_Quiet_One said in Apple stand:
Every device that had a rechargeable battery up to now allowed you to listen to music while you're charging it.
iPhones having only one port does not even begin to compare with the fucking MacBook having only one port. I still can't believe that's real. What the fuck were they thinking. Hell, the $999 stand is a bargain compared to a $1300 laptop that needs a USB hub to connect a mouse to.
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@The_Quiet_One said in Apple stand:
Yeah, what a great idea, right?
shrug I was just pointing out you were wrong. I'm neither for nor against the removal of the 3.5mm jack - it makes no difference to me either way.
@The_Quiet_One said in Apple stand:
and if I like a certain headphone model more than what Apple offers, I'm shit out of luck because it uses the 3.5mm port like every other consumer audio device with a headjack on the planet for some 35-odd years.
Before the iPhone XS/XR there was an adapter (duh, it's an Apple device) supplied, but now you have to buy your own for £9. Not supplying the adapter isn't ideal but it's hardly expensive if you need it.
@The_Quiet_One said in Apple stand:
I sit at my office wanting to listen to tunes, and drain the battery while listening to music..
I could listen to music all day in the office and not drain the battery enough to need to recharge it.
@The_Quiet_One said in Apple stand:
Seriously, who the fuck came up with that design? Every device that had a rechargeable battery up to now allowed you to listen to music while you're charging it. But, I'm sure the Apple zealots will come up with some BS excuse...
Yeah, it's literally only Apple that removed the 3.5mm jack for a single port that does both. Definitely not Google with the Pixel 2 and Pixel 3 (presumably the XL versions too) nor at least one of the Moto Z models, etc.
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@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
Yeah, it's literally only Apple that removed the 3.5mm jack for a single port that does both. Definitely not Google with the Pixel 2 and Pixel 3 (presumably the XL versions too) nor at least one of the Moto Z models, etc.
Yeah. Because the reasoning in the smartphone industry is "if Apple can get away with this, so can we". That's why other manufacturers started removing SD card slots, making batteries non-removable, selling $1,000+ phones, etc.
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20 years ago Apple was the first to remove the floppy disk drive, and only offered a USB port. Everyone wrote that Apple “went too far”, but other manufacturers followed suit and nowadays no-one misses floppy drives anymore.
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@Grunnen It’s not easy to generalize. I’m not sure about floppy drives back then, but I’m glad my previous-gen MacBook Air doesn’t have an optical drive anymore. It’s useless and bulky. An Ethernet port would have been nice, however, but the adapter is acceptable if WiFi doesn’t suffice. The current gen laptops having only USB-C is stupid, I don’t want to carry around a whole farm of adapters for no fucking reason.
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@The_Quiet_One said in Apple stand:
Every device that had a rechargeable battery up to now allowed you to listen to music while you're charging it.
Most Bluetooth headphones seem to not. Or, they interrupt the connection when plugged.
@The_Quiet_One said in Apple stand:
maybe there's some $150 device that lets you do both at the same time.
Maybe. But it probably sucks ass in other ways.
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@Grunnen said in Apple stand:
20 years ago Apple was the first to remove the floppy disk drive, and only offered a USB port. Everyone wrote that Apple “went too far”, but other manufacturers followed suit and nowadays no-one misses floppy drives anymore.
That's a false equivalency. The USB port and the flash drives and other stuff that came with it are objectively superior, both economically and technologically, to the floppy drive, which was rapidly becoming obsolete. And unlike other instances of Apple doing such things, they used a non-proprietary port.
A 3.5mm headphone jack is still the defacto standard for headphones. And it's not becoming technologically obsolete anytime soon. There is literally no good reason Apple and others decided to do away with it, except to force people to buy their overpriced headphone shit.
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@Grunnen said in Apple stand:
other manufacturers followed suit
[citation needed]
Prove that manufacturers were following Apple specifically. Because it took them a decade or so....
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Apple stand:
@Grunnen said in Apple stand:
other manufacturers followed suit
[citation needed]
Prove that manufacturers were following Apple specifically. Because it took them a decade or so....
A decade?
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@topspin said in Apple stand:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Apple stand:
@Grunnen said in Apple stand:
other manufacturers followed suit
[citation needed]
Prove that manufacturers were following Apple specifically. Because it took them a decade or so....
A decade?
I had computers less than ten years old that were sold with a floppy drive and a 56k modem new. I think they were Dells?
I think they also had slim 56x CD-ROM drives (the DVD-ROM drives were extra).
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@Tsaukpaetra was that as a standard feature? I could see that as an optional accessory but even in 2009 I don't recall new computers offering that as a default accessory to be included.
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@The_Quiet_One said in Apple stand:
@Tsaukpaetra was that as a standard feature? I could see that as an optional accessory but even in 2009 I don't recall new computers offering that as a default accessory to be included.
I don't have them anymore (for hopefully obvious reasons), but they were the cheapest things on the shelf (again, for hopefully obvious reasons).
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@The_Quiet_One said in Apple stand:
There is literally no good reason Apple and others decided to do away with it, except to force people to buy their overpriced headphone shit.
No-one's forced to buy anything.
Google provide the USB-C to 3.5mm adapter, Apple provided the Lightning to 3.5mm adapter for 3 generations and only removed the adapter in the current generation, Both provide the headphones. Bluetooth is a thing for anyone who has Bluetooth headphones.
Worst case is that you've got a lastest generation iPhone and no adapter (from a previous phone or whatever) and don't want to use the supplied headphones then you need to buy a pretty inexpensive adapter - and Apple make the cheapest such adapter (based on a quick Google search). If a 3.5mm jack is that important there are plenty of phones with them still.
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@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
and Apple make the cheapest such adapter (based on a quick Google search).
My quick google search suggests this is not so, but, natch, I don't have a phone to test compatibility with...
Apple: $9 https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MU7E2AM/A/usb-c-to-35-mm-headphone-jack-adapter
Rando supplier (not a headset hack, it's two different jacks) $6.59: https://www.amazon.com/FD-Izmn-electronic-External-Adapter-Earphone/dp/B07R3KHZSQ
Rando supplier, two pack, $6.50: https://www.amazon.com/Josi-Minea-Adapter-Headphone-Extender/dp/B0719351GF
Another rando supplier, likely doesn't even use USB at all and so won't work: $3.49 https://www.amazon.com/IDS-Home-USB3-1-Headphone-Adapter/dp/B07KW55BWH/
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Apple stand:
My quick google search suggests this is not so, but, natch, I don't have a phone to test compatibility with...
They're USB-C to 3.5mm not Lightning to 3.5mm.
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@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
@The_Quiet_One said in Apple stand:
There is literally no good reason Apple and others decided to do away with it, except to force people to buy their overpriced headphone shit.
No-one's forced to buy anything.
Never said that was the case. I just get irritated at Apple zealots who insist their overpriced garbage is the best.
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@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Apple stand:
My quick google search suggests this is not so, but, natch, I don't have a phone to test compatibility with...
They're USB-C to 3.5mm not Lightning to 3.5mm.
... TIL there's a difference.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Apple stand:
but they were the cheapest things on the shelf (again, for hopefully obvious reasons).
So when you said it was new, I guess you didn't include the decade it sat gathering dust in the back of the store?
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@hungrier said in Apple stand:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Apple stand:
but they were the cheapest things on the shelf (again, for hopefully obvious reasons).
So when you said it was new, I guess you didn't include the decade it sat gathering dust in the back of the store?
I have no idea how long something sits on a shelf. Why would I include details on something I don't know?
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@Grunnen back when floppy drives were dropped, floppy disks were still popular and useful and sometimes necessary too, because you get to interact with older computers that may not even have USB ports (or people who have such computers), burning a CD is stupid for lots of things, etc. I didn't like their reasoning back then and I don't like it now. Especially since Apple were a drop in the ocean at the time.
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@anonymous234 said in Apple stand:
iPhones having only one port does not even begin to compare with the fucking MacBook having only one port. I still can't believe that's real. What the fuck were they thinking. Hell, the $999 stand is a bargain compared to a $1300 laptop that needs a USB hub to connect a mouse to.
I would call buying the MacBook as as it is a shit overpriced laptop for what you get, at least the better MacBooks comes with more than one USB-C port. Also, when I was looking around for accessories for my MacBook Pro I did find a USB-C mouse, saving me getting an adapter for that.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Apple stand:
@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Apple stand:
My quick google search suggests this is not so, but, natch, I don't have a phone to test compatibility with...
They're USB-C to 3.5mm not Lightning to 3.5mm.
... TIL there's a difference.
Lightning:
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Apple stand:
True, but in this case, it was £1500, not $1500, at a time when one £ was about $1.6, so think of it more like $2500 in year 2000 dollars.
Let me bring up the £15k power cord again.
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@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Apple stand:
@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Apple stand:
My quick google search suggests this is not so, but, natch, I don't have a phone to test compatibility with...
They're USB-C to 3.5mm not Lightning to 3.5mm.
... TIL there's a difference.
Lightning:
I may have been thinking of Thunderbolt then? All these chic names for things get aggravating...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Apple stand:
I may have been thinking of Thunderbolt then?
Presumably - Thunderbolt 3 and USB-C are the same connector.
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@ender said in Apple stand:
Let me bring up the £15k power cord again.
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@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
Presumably - Thunderbolt 3 and USB-C are the same connector.
And, if things goes as they seem to be, USB 4 and Thunderbolt 4 will even be the same standard, as Intel actually made the Thunderbolt specification open so the USB consortium can use it for USB 4.
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@ender said in Apple stand:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in Apple stand:
True, but in this case, it was £1500, not $1500, at a time when one £ was about $1.6, so think of it more like $2500 in year 2000 dollars.
Let me bring up the £15k power cord again.
I dunno, there's a certain artistry in the descriptive text.
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@Parody said in Apple stand:
This article proposes that they should have bundled the stand with the display (raising the price) and given a discount for those who don't need one.
There is literally no argument in TFA for the stand not being a ripoff. Just that Apple could have perhaps been slicker in how they go about ripping people off.
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@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
If a 3.5mm jack is that important there are plenty of phones with them still.
They may exist; but if corporate IT doesn't offer them as an option, that doesn't do me any good.
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@Unperverted-Vixen said in Apple stand:
but if corporate IT doesn't offer them as an option
My boss offered me a corporate phone, but it was an iPhone.
I politely declined
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@Grunnen said in Apple stand:
20 years ago Apple was the first to remove the floppy disk drive, and only offered a USB port. Everyone wrote that Apple “went too far”, but other manufacturers followed suit and nowadays no-one misses floppy drives anymore.
Not the same thing.
Floppy drives weren't eliminated because everyone was following Apple. Floppy drives continued to exist after Apple eliminated them on their computers, and they were eventually eliminated simply because nobody had any use for them any more. One megabyte was no longer a useful amount of storage capacity.
People still want/need headphones and the 3.5mm jack makes the most sense.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Apple stand:
@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Apple stand:
@loopback0 said in Apple stand:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Apple stand:
My quick google search suggests this is not so, but, natch, I don't have a phone to test compatibility with...
They're USB-C to 3.5mm not Lightning to 3.5mm.
... TIL there's a difference.
Lightning:
I may have been thinking of Thunderbolt then? All these chic names for things get aggravating...
Thunderbolt:
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@TimeBandit said in Apple stand:
My boss offered me a corporate phone, but it was an iPhone.
My corporate iPhone replaced a Blackberry. I liked BB10 but iOS is mostly better.
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@boomzilla said in Apple stand:
Apple could have perhaps been slicker in how they go about ripping people off.
They generally seem to have quite mastered that.
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@El_Heffe Apple eliminated floppy drives because nobody had any use for them anymore. One megabyte was no longer a useful amount of storage capacity, in an age where you could get a gigabyte flash drive for less than the cost of a floppy drive.
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@Captain The original iMac (the first one without floppy drive) released in 1998, when hard disks were barely into the 10s of GBs and USB flash drives hadn't been invented yet.
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I mostly stopped seeing floppy disks around 2003-ish, when 128 MB flash drives were no longer insanely expensive.
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@hungrier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9Bu3tPaJCA8MB is still faster and better than 1.44. Why buy a Mac if you want a PC experience?