Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :fire:
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It's been a really slow week, so I've spent an excessive amount of time online, including hanging out on this site way too much.
Which brings me to: has anybody actually tried to use this on a mobile browser? Because it sucks. I know that, before the switch to , everybody was complaining about Community Server. Because apparently its editor sucked, or something, and #fuckinghellwhydoesitdeletetwocharacterswhenihitbackspaceonce... But at least it served static pages. And aside from people intentionally breaking it with HTML injection, it kinda almost worked.I'm trying to use this on an iPhone 6S, which should be more than able to render a website, as it's much faster than my previous 4S, which already could do that seamlessly. And boy is it slow here sometimes. And awkward to use.
I'm not a robot, so when I try to swipe down to scroll, I might sometimes swipe a few hundred pixels down and 5 to the left. Which this website interprets as "oh, he swiped to the left, let's show the stupid hamburger menu". And zooming is also just horrific. Same thing happens, I try to pinch zoom and it decides it must interpret the gestures in a different way.This is what I end up with after trying to zoom into a picture. (Not touching the screen anymore, this is the end result)
Actually, I guess at least the last part is true for many sites: stop hijacking my navigation gestures.
Bonus WTF: the stupid notification "looks like your connection to What the Daily WTF? was lost, please wait while we try to reconnect" that shows up every second when you switch tabs/apps.
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@topspin said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
I'm not a robot, so when I try to swipe down to scroll, I might sometimes swipe a few hundred pixels down and 5 to the left. Which this website interprets as "oh, he swiped to the left, let's show the stupid hamburger menu". And zooming is also just horrific. Same thing happens, I try to pinch zoom and it decides it must interpret the gestures in a different way.
Never seen that happen before. It's probably your linux hardware being buggy.
@topspin said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
This is what I end up with after trying to zoom into a picture. (Not touching the screen anymore, this is the end result)
And that is why NodeBB by default disables zoom... not sure why we turned that on in our version. It's easier to click (tap) the picture though - that opens it in a new tab and works much better than trying to zoom in to the page.
I use it on mobile all the time, though, and it works pretty well. My only issue is when it occasionally gets stuck (probably because of that zoom thing), and I have to refresh the page.
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@topspin yeah, shit's broken and this place is a pain in the ass to use on mobile.
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@sloosecannon said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
Never seen that happen before. It's probably your linux hardware being buggy.
You either missed "iphone" or forgot to include a
Anyways, I didn't know tapping the picture would open it, but I don't see why I'd want to open it in a new tab. On a static site that leaves the navigation to the browser where it belongs, I can pinch zoom totally fine.
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@topspin said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
You either missed "iphone" or forgot to include a
I did, but your buggy linux hardware can't see it.
@topspin said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
Anyways, I didn't know tapping the picture would open it, but I don't see why I'd want to open it in a new tab. On a static site that leaves the navigation to the browser where it belongs, I can pinch zoom totally fine.
Well, pinch zooming breaks CSS in fun and interesting ways, so....
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@sloosecannon said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
Well, pinch zooming breaks CSS in fun and interesting ways, so....
I'm too ignorant to know who to blame for that, but I guess that's why I pre-emptively tagged this #you'reholdingitwrong.
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@sloosecannon said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
NodeBB by default disables zoom
One can still override this in a setting in Chrome.
I too cannot reproduce problems on my cheap Android phone. I scrolled up and down then wiggled left and right: no hamburger menu unless the motion was initially left/right. Scrolling is smooth. Zooming seems to work. It doesn't lose connection unless the whole phone does (flaky WiFi at home, switching to/from cellular, going through a tunnel, etc).
Are my expectations just suitably set?
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@zemm I'm not seeing the pinch issue on my android, but zooming out seems to trigger the side menu sometimes. I guess it's recognizing the gesture incorrectly.
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@zemm said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
Android
@bb36e said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
android
See, I told you guys, it's his cheap Linux hardware.
(Non response)
@topspin are you scrolling to the side before up or down? That might be why it's recognizing it as a menu-swipe not an up-down one
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@bb36e ok I've tried zooming in and out a few times and do get the hamburger occasionally. I guess it depends on what finger is removed first, by microseconds! I am on a train at the moment so getting bumped around a little bit.
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@sloosecannon
I don't know, I'm not intentionally moving to the side at all, but obviously I am. So the "5px to the left" might as well come before the hundreds down.
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@sloosecannon said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
his cheap Linux hardware
Plus Apple tax, which these days is very hefty!
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@zemm said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
@sloosecannon said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
his cheap Linux hardware
Plus Apple tax, which these days is very hefty!
I've opted to not pay for the removal of headphone jack, so I saved some money there.
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I use it on my Android phone and tablet sometimes, and occasionally I get an unintentional burger-menu activation, but most of the time it works ok.
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I use it on mobile (Android, Nexus 6) more than on desktop. Only real complaint is typing, but that's obvious. Oh, and can't easily mark all notifications read at once from mobile. Other than that,
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It's pretty stupid for me too. One of the worst offenders is when I use Puffin (this doesn't happen on Chrome) - scrolling in the post creation screen actually scrolls extremely slowly, with it jumping back just a bit less than it actually moved forward every fractionth of a second. So it looks like it's vibrating while moving incredibly slowly.
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@topspin said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
has anybody actually tried to use this on a mobile browser?
Greater than 78% of my site usage is on mobile.
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@topspin said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
zooming is also just horrific
What is that?
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@topspin said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
trying to zoom into a picture.
You tap the picture which opens in a new tab. Duh.
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@sloosecannon said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
Never seen that happen before. It's probably your linux hardware being buggy.
I have. If you're moving your finger so fast the OS sees > 180 pixel delta between frames. Also if your "downward swipe" looks more like you're trying to draw a boomerang.
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@sloosecannon said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
My only issue is when it occasionally gets stuck (probably because of that zoom thing), and I have to refresh the page.
Yes, often happens when you pull the drawer partially and zoom at the same time. BTDT.
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@topspin said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
5px to the left
I'm going to make this a new meme. Someone remind me later.
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@pie_flavor said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
Puffin
Isn't this the browser that's basically a remote desktop session to a browser running in the cloud?
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@tsaukpaetra said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
Isn't this the browser that's basically a remote desktop session to a browser running in the cloud?
seems like it works the same way opera turbo does -- they render the page serverside and compress it using some application-specific codec that gets decoded by the browser
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@benjamin-hall said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
I use it on mobile (Android, Nexus 6) more than on desktop. Only real complaint is typing, but that's obvious. Oh, and can't easily mark all notifications read at once from mobile. Other than that,
Same here.
I miss not having the column with the numbers of posts in a thread on the topics list though.
I can't make my tablet 3px wider. :(Edit: hmm, mental note: make a CSS override in settings.
Edit 2: ah, much better.
Edit 3: can't see the right side of the video when inside a <details> tag :/
Edit 4: or out. Just click here then, if you're interested.
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@zecc said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
CSS override in settings.
One of the best features after IMHO
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@tsaukpaetra I think you a word.
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@topspin You are on mobile? Well that's different!
We only support devices from the future (~8 years from now)Filed Under: Longer welcome here
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@codinghorror said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
Longer welcome
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@tsaukpaetra said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
@pie_flavor said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
Puffin
Isn't this the browser that's basically a remote desktop session to a browser running in the cloud?
Compressed pages sent from a browser running in the cloud, but yes. Saves a shit-load of data and is extremely fast. Even WTDWTF pages load in six seconds instead of eight. It's quite nice.
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@sloosecannon said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
Never seen that happen before. It's probably your linux hardware being buggy.
I have. It's even more annoying when it decides to actually freeze like that with about 50px of hamburger menu on the right hand side of the screen forcing me to manually refresh of the tab just so I can interact with the page again.
My own gripe with mobile is creating posts. I can type faster than the letters appear on the screen to the point where - if I'm trying for whole sentences - whatever's remembering what I've typed decides to have a senior moment and decides to forget that I've typed stuff in and possibly delete stuff it's already shown. Basically, in order to ensure what I type appears, I have to type a word, wait for it to appear (seconds) then type the next word, wait, type the next word...
Can't imagine what's going on in the background, but it smells a bit of rendering delays - only the preview pane isn't actually visible on mobile (ISTR some mention of it still being there however.)
Samsung S5, Chrome 62.0.numbers, Andround 6.0.1.
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@pjh said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
@sloosecannon said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
Never seen that happen before. It's probably your linux hardware being buggy.
I have. It's even more annoying when it decides to actually freeze like that with about 50px of hamburger menu on the right hand side of the screen forcing me to manually refresh of the tab just so I can interact with the page again.
My own gripe with mobile is creating posts. I can type faster than the letters appear on the screen to the point where - if I'm trying for whole sentences - whatever's remembering what I've typed decides to have a senior moment and decides to forget that I've typed stuff in and possibly delete stuff it's already shown. Basically, in order to ensure what I type appears, I have to type a word, wait for it to appear (seconds) then type the next word, wait, type the next word...
Can't imagine what's going on in the background, but it smells a bit of rendering delays - only the preview pane isn't actually visible on mobile (ISTR some mention of it still being there however.)
Samsung S5, Chrome 62.0.numbers, Andround 6.0.1.
ISTR it was Chrome and weird handling of onupdate or some shit like that. Happens to me every so often since I'm on the beta channel.
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@pjh said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
I can type faster than the letters appear on the screen
At least you can see what you're typing... :/
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@erufael cue @Tsaukpaetra posting screenshot of his fucked up on-screen keyboard
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@bb36e said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
@erufael cue @Tsaukpaetra posting screenshot of his fucked up on-screen keyboard
I mean, I can if you want, but... why? He's not complaining about seeing the keyboard, or seeing elements on the screen. He's talking about laggy delays between interaction and result.
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@tsaukpaetra Actually I was complaining about not being able to see the posting dialog at all because its under the keyboard (best as I can figure), so that post would have been perfectly cromulent after all. :D
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@erufael said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
@tsaukpaetra Actually I was complaining about not being able to see the posting dialog at all because its under the keyboard (best as I can figure), so that post would have been perfectly cromulent after all. :D
Oh? Then, by all means.
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@tsaukpaetra Remind me again what's called. The name I'm thinking about is Continuum, which is an entirely different kind of keyboard.
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@zecc said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
@tsaukpaetra Remind me again what's called. The name I'm thinking about is Continuum, which is an entirely different kind of keyboard.
Minuum.
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Goddamn. I don't know what's worse.
That it requires network permissions and says in the license that "You may not monitor data that is received by or sent from the Application. Any attempts to do any of the foregoing acts is a violation of the rights of Licensor."
Or that I'm still willing to give the free version a try anyway.
Edit: and now I'm stuck in the tutorial because it wants to me to type "great" but it's coming out as "gfeat".
It's also already have only 29 days of the 30-day trial period, for some reason.
Great experience so far, guys!
Edit: managed to type "great". What changed? Dunno.
Ok, finished the tutorial. I don't know why "great" was so problematic. First, I guess it was because they didn't expect me to have change the default language from English, but after I changed back?
Edit 2: ok, after this initial hiccup, it's actual not bad at all.
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@zecc said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
Edit: and now I'm stuck in the tutorial because it wants to me to type "great" but it's coming out as "gfeat".
Huh. Were you perhaps tapping and holding?
Either way, kinda odd they didn't let you skip the tuto...
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I haven't made the slightest attempt to use this site on mobile in months, because the only part of it I used in mobile was chat, and all those chats have moved elsewhere, to less awful places.
Seriously, the chat here was usable for maybe a week or two on my phone, and since then has been completely impossible. Not to mention the stupid sidebar behavior, which can't be dismissed on W10M, because that kind of swipe has a 70% chance to take me back instead.
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@zecc said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
That it requires network permissions and says in the license that "You may not monitor data that is received by or sent from the Application. Any attempts to do any of the foregoing acts is a violation of the rights of Licensor."
Fuck that. What do they have to hide? I'll monitor whatever data I God damn feel like that's traversing my own networks.
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@pie_flavor said in Can Firefox make a comeback?:
I'm delusional if I think the word 'fast' describes it?
I click the button, it goes to the page. It does it in half a second, which is impressive given my shit internet connection. does the same thing in no less than two seconds. This expands to a truly slow-ass load when I need to wait for all the images to load, because every time an image loads it'll scroll in a random direction (or twitter embeds, or iFramely nonsense, etc.), unlike scroll staying where it is unless I tell it to move. Slow-ass loading is compounded by the fact that I can't use infinite scroll because it's a broken piece of shit, so I need to do a slow-ass load every fifty read posts, whereas infinite scroll is fantastic. I don't care who rips on it, I have literally never had a problem with infinite scroll, whereas after five minutes with 's I disabled it due to incredible bugginessI'm actually glad there's no infini-scroll, and definitely sucked worse (at least the version this site had running). But I definitely do see this jumping around when the forum loads an image and it makes scrolling really annoying on mobile. Even when I scroll all the way from the top down the page and then up again, it'll show the first post without an image and then dynamically load it, although it had loaded that image once before. It must be unloading them again once they're no longer visible.
Again, I think if all of this stuff was static instead of "smartly" loading everything dynamically, this would run much smoother.
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@topspin said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
unloading them again once they're no longer visible.
Yes, that's a key feature of infiniscroll.
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@topspin Discourse isn't faster in every case, but it's much, much less janky. Image loading doesn't move the scroll, nor does oneboxing. If you manage to scroll to a post that's not loaded yet, it puts in a placeholder post until it can load the full thing. When you go to another page, the minimum amount of the UI unloads, the minimum amount of space changes, and a proper loading thing appears. I've mentioned this before, but despite it still being an SPA, NodeBB feels like navigating a collection of static pages off a slow server, whereas Discourse feels like a proper SPA, a proper forum. There are times where NodeBB feels jankier than even XenForo, which isn't an SPA so that's really an accomplishment..
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@pie_flavor said in Does anybody actually use this site on mobile :
There are times where NodeBB feels jankier than even XenForo, which isn't an SPA so that's really an accomplishment..
I dunno. I just did a spit test against Meta.D's site and the difference is barely more than half a second... And that's discounting that Meta.D's servers are probably six times beefier than what we're running on. And that it seems infiniscroll is disabled by default for not-logged-in-users....
(Sorry for the poor quality, we're limited to 8mb uploads here)
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I didn't see this topic... in any case I raised this issue with the team because I've experienced similar issues here.
If I scroll on my android phone, occasionally I'll accidentally trigger the sidebar and if I let go, the site becomes unresponsive for about 5s... annoying.
We're testing a replacement version (not using slideout.js) on our community forum right now, so rest assured we're looking into this
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I'm curious to know where @pie_flavour is located... or whether he's accessing the web via a vpn... or tor... or something. It's really odd that his experience doesn't jive with everybody elses'
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@julianlam Good old university WiFi, in the California Gay Area. Nothing weird or extreme here.