Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
(From what I've heard about naturalisation processes in general, for ordinary (i.e. non-rich) schmucks like me, that part is much the same everywhere. Native-born citizens in most countries would absolutely fail any "know about your country" test that exists to torment would-be naturalised citizens.)
About ten years ago, I had a fair amount of dealings with asylum seekers and other foreigners. Some of us, all native Dutchmen, amused ourselves for a bit once by taking a sample Inburgeringstest (approximately, “Integration Exam”). Though I don’t recall exact results, I do remember that most of us would’ve failed or only just passed.
Another thing I recall of it is the silliness and uselessness of some of the questions (and thus, the knowledge immigrants are supposed to learn). For example, there was one question that asked what all Dutch homes must have, with four possible answers, including a letterbox and a phone connection, plus two others I’ve forgotten. The correct answer was “letterbox” — but what is the point of knowing this? Most natives people would only arrive at that by elimination or guessing, and if you buy or rent a house it will already have a letterbox.
Or the other gem I remember: If you want to visit a Dutch person, what do you do? Correct answer: “Make an appointment in advance.” ?! Maybe up in the big cities in Holland, where they come up with tests like these, but out in the sticks where I live, you just drop by people’s house if you feel like it — if they’re out or don’t have the time, you’ll find out soon enough.
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@Gurth the cultures diverge enough and integration is weak enough for nation states to be considered as such, in actual reality.
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@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Nothing will happen, stay calm all of youse. The EU doesn't really want to play hard ball with the UK, because that would be extremely counterproductive in this climate (where half of the Union is suspicious or outright despises the Union). The moment the UK is in deep shit is when the Eurosceptics start rallying against the inhumane imperialistic Union (and they would have a point). On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
Actually, it's the other way around: Brexit is the best advertisment for why idiotic Nationalism à la Orban is suicide. And that's why they will play hardball.
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@admiral_p That’s my point: with the mentality that your country comes first, integration is not going to be top of your list. They all refuse to see themselves as a region of Europe, but have no problem with seeing, for example, Catalonia as a region of Spain or Scotland as a region of the UK or Bavaria as a region of Germany. “All” you need to do is extend that last mentality one level up.
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@El_Heffe said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@El_Heffe said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
No, it's simply reverting back to "no deal" status. Like, for example, the EU will instantly become a no-fly zone for any British aircraft after a Hard Brexit.
The EU has only existed since November 1, 1993. I am not aware of any "no fly zone" for British aircraft prior to the existence of the EU. Why would there be one now?
Because since UK's accession, the old treaties have been terminated. And EU looks like they have no intention of signing a new one.
So, the EU is just being a dick about it.
No, again: This is a legal necessity. Such things do not happen in a vacuum and there are rules on how to establish treaties and also when they can be established.
Seriously, you're showing a lot of ignorance here. Please educate yourself on why these things come to pass and then you may come back.
There's an international framework of rules which governs this. And neither the EU nor the UK are completely free to do whatever they want because otherwise non-EU countries will take them to court. Or the treaties will be legally invalid.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
From what I've heard about naturalisation processes in general, for ordinary (i.e. non-rich) schmucks like me, that part is much the same everywhere. Native-born citizens in most countries would absolutely fail any "know about your country" test that exists to torment would-be naturalised citizens
Really?
I've never taken one, but I've seen some time-waster clickbait articles (the correctness of which I cannot judge) along the lines of "could you pass those citizenship test questions" for both Germany and the US, and they were ridiculously easy. Anybody not able to answer them absolutely should not become a citizen.
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@topspin Doesn't the US one include things like naming every president they've ever had, in order?
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@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
The only way such a large and diverse union (especially if we restrict the union to the Eurozone) can really work is if the stronger states prop up the weaker ones, just like within states, the stronger regions prop up the weaker ones (eg. West Germany and East Germany, Northern Italy and Southern Italy, etc.). But the union as it is cannot work, because the union is not tight enough, yet it cannot be tighter than it is, because the nation states are so wide apart.
The problem is the nation-state mentality, especially among the populist right but to a lesser degree also with most other people/parties in governments all over Europe: they see themselves as representing, of even defending, their country rather than their part of Europe.
By "part of Europe", do you mean regions smaller or larger than a country?
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Not unilaterally. All EU states have to agree on an extension unanimously - i.e. everyone has a right of veto.
And some people wander why other people want out of this sort of insanity. </
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@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Another thing I recall of it is the silliness and uselessness of some of the questions (and thus, the knowledge immigrants are supposed to learn). For example, there was one question that asked what all Dutch homes must have, with four possible answers, including a letterbox and a phone connection, plus two others I’ve forgotten. The correct answer was “letterbox” — but what is the point of knowing this? Most natives people would only arrive at that by elimination or guessing, and if you buy or rent a house it will already have a letterbox.
Bitch please. Polish driver's license exams include a question about the proper size of license plates!
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Nothing will happen, stay calm all of youse. The EU doesn't really want to play hard ball with the UK, because that would be extremely counterproductive in this climate (where half of the Union is suspicious or outright despises the Union). The moment the UK is in deep shit is when the Eurosceptics start rallying against the inhumane imperialistic Union (and they would have a point). On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
Actually, it's the other way around: Brexit is the best advertisment for why idiotic Nationalism à la Orban is suicide. And that's why they will play hardball.
Playing hardball has a way of exploding in your face.
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@PJH said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Not unilaterally. All EU states have to agree on an extension unanimously - i.e. everyone has a right of veto.
And some people wander why other people want out of this sort of insanity. </
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>Again: The rules were pretty clear when they joined up.
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@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Nothing will happen, stay calm all of youse. The EU doesn't really want to play hard ball with the UK, because that would be extremely counterproductive in this climate (where half of the Union is suspicious or outright despises the Union). The moment the UK is in deep shit is when the Eurosceptics start rallying against the inhumane imperialistic Union (and they would have a point). On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
Actually, it's the other way around: Brexit is the best advertisment for why idiotic Nationalism à la Orban is suicide. And that's why they will play hardball.
Playing hardball has a way of exploding in your face.
So has placableness. After all, we have also the rest of the EU to consider. And why on Earth should a non-member get a better deal than an actual member?
They already got a number of concessions. And we've always been open about what we want, what our red lines are and how we make deals.
The UK on the other hand has dreamed of unicorns and cakeism for a long time now.Not our fault if their dreams and reality are incompatible.
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@PleegWat said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@topspin Doesn't the US one include things like naming every president they've ever had, in order?
I don't know, but the (possibly not correct) ones I've seen were more like "who's the [first|current] president".
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@PJH said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Not unilaterally. All EU states have to agree on an extension unanimously - i.e. everyone has a right of veto.
And some people wander why other people want out of this sort of insanity. </
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>Again: The rules were pretty clear when they joined up.
The benefits were also pretty clear.
That everyone was eager to join for all the economic and other benefits it brought them doesn't quite fit the narrative of "we'd be so much better off without the evil EU", though, so that's brushed aside.
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
And why on Earth should a non-member get a better deal than an actual member?
What the hell do you mean by better? As far as I know, the current point of reference in negotiations is "not end up in total disaster but still suck a lot". And it's always been that, ever since EU announced that UK cannot pick and choose the freedoms they support.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
And why on Earth should a non-member get a better deal than an actual member?
What the hell do you mean by better? As far as I know, the current point of reference in negotiations is "not end up in total disaster but still suck a lot". And it's always been that, ever since EU announced that UK cannot pick and choose the freedoms they support.
Because members can also not "pick and choose", otherwise they'd choose to receive the subsidies they are getting but not pay for anything. Similarly with everything else.
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@topspin I'm not criticizing the approach. I'm pointing out that @Rhywden's "better than actual member" was never a thing.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@topspin I'm not criticizing the approach. I'm pointing out that @Rhywden's "better than actual member" was never a thing.
It wasn't, but it seems to be the only thing that the UK would actually accept.
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@topspin we'll see. We'll see.
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Nothing will happen, stay calm all of youse. The EU doesn't really want to play hard ball with the UK, because that would be extremely counterproductive in this climate (where half of the Union is suspicious or outright despises the Union). The moment the UK is in deep shit is when the Eurosceptics start rallying against the inhumane imperialistic Union (and they would have a point). On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
Actually, it's the other way around: Brexit is the best advertisment for why idiotic Nationalism à la Orban is suicide. And that's why they will play hardball.
Playing hardball has a way of exploding in your face.
So has placableness. After all, we have also the rest of the EU to consider. And why on Earth should a non-member get a better deal than an actual member?
Why should have England and France imposed easier conditions on Germany after WWI? And being in a union shouldn't bring better conditions, it should bring perks. If you don't see them as perks then you shouldn't be in the union.
They already got a number of concessions. And we've always been open about what we want, what our red lines are and how we make deals.
The UK on the other hand has dreamed of unicorns and cakeism for a long time now.Not our fault if their dreams and reality are incompatible.
What does the EU gain from cutting out the UK from certain things (as in a "no deal" scenario)? The EU should accept that the UK doesn't want to be a part of it any more, but it shouldn't be punitive either. The EU has lax agreements with non-EU states, but in this case, they want to make an example of the UK in order to dissuade others from attempting such an exit. But anyway, is a tight union really desirable? That's the key really. It's all about a balance, and I think things have been pushed too far too soon, or rather, they've been pushed too far in certain directions and not enough in others that would be essential for the former to work (for example the economic coupling between member states would call for fiscal transfers).
For example: why shouldn't Germany prop up weaker member states? Why shouldn't Germany give in to other member states' demands even if it harms them? (Doesn't Bavaria pay somewhat for Saxony-Anhalt? Doesn't North Rhine-Westphalia have to accept that Brandenburg may have it easier on certain things?). Is it a union or not? The whole argument where Germany shouldn't have to pay for others (somewhat) is baseless from the start, if the union is to be, well, a union. Especially in the Eurozone.
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@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
The problem is the nation-state mentality, especially among the populist right but to a lesser degree also with most other people/parties in governments all over Europe: they see themselves as representing, of even defending, their country rather than their part of Europe.
But does anyone really want to get rid of "the nation-state mentality" in Europe? The big problem with the EU is that it wants to be two things at once: a group of nations and a federal system where the nations are more like US states.
As an inhabitant of a former British Colony I'm kind of amused at watching the Brits "fight" for their independence and sovereignty.
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@boomzilla that's the thing. The EU wants to be two incompatible things at once.
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Nothing will happen, stay calm all of youse. The EU doesn't really want to play hard ball with the UK, because that would be extremely counterproductive in this climate (where half of the Union is suspicious or outright despises the Union). The moment the UK is in deep shit is when the Eurosceptics start rallying against the inhumane imperialistic Union (and they would have a point). On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
Actually, it's the other way around: Brexit is the best advertisment for why idiotic Nationalism à la Orban is suicide. And that's why they will play hardball.
That sounds...circular.
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@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Nothing will happen, stay calm all of youse. The EU doesn't really want to play hard ball with the UK, because that would be extremely counterproductive in this climate (where half of the Union is suspicious or outright despises the Union). The moment the UK is in deep shit is when the Eurosceptics start rallying against the inhumane imperialistic Union (and they would have a point). On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
Actually, it's the other way around: Brexit is the best advertisment for why idiotic Nationalism à la Orban is suicide. And that's why they will play hardball.
That sounds...circular.
Exactly. What will happen is that the nationalists will see the EU as a bunch of imperialistic bastards who basically further the big boys' agenda (and their lackeys, or as such they will be perceived to be). And this will bring even more instability because the EU is proving them right.
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@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Nothing will happen, stay calm all of youse. The EU doesn't really want to play hard ball with the UK, because that would be extremely counterproductive in this climate (where half of the Union is suspicious or outright despises the Union). The moment the UK is in deep shit is when the Eurosceptics start rallying against the inhumane imperialistic Union (and they would have a point). On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
Actually, it's the other way around: Brexit is the best advertisment for why idiotic Nationalism à la Orban is suicide. And that's why they will play hardball.
That sounds...circular.
Exactly. What will happen is that the nationalists will see the EU as a bunch of imperialistic bastards who basically further the big boys' agenda (and their lackeys, or as such they will be perceived to be). And this will bring even more instability because the EU is proving them right.
I mean, we all get the pour encourager les autres aspect of this. But it doesn't mean that being outside the union is necessarily so terrible. Otherwise, explain Switzerland. Seems to be doing pretty well. Why not try to be more like them instead of following the EU model?
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@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
The problem is the nation-state mentality, especially among the populist right but to a lesser degree also with most other people/parties in governments all over Europe: they see themselves as representing, of even defending, their country rather than their part of Europe.
But does anyone really want to get rid of "the nation-state mentality" in Europe?
Of course. The globalists.
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@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla that's the thing. The EU wants to be two incompatible things at once.
Congratulations, you've just discovered that different people have different views!
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@Gąska no, it's more like getting into a relationship knowing she won't do anal, believing that she will change her mind, and then act outraged when she won't budge.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
The problem is the nation-state mentality, especially among the populist right but to a lesser degree also with most other people/parties in governments all over Europe: they see themselves as representing, of even defending, their country rather than their part of Europe.
But does anyone really want to get rid of "the nation-state mentality" in Europe?
Of course. The globalists.
I should have added "publicly." I assume these people exist, but it seems like (from my mostly disinterested and apathetic point of view) no one says it out loud and will deny it if explicitly asked. "That's not what the EU was ever meant to be!"
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@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
The problem is the nation-state mentality, especially among the populist right but to a lesser degree also with most other people/parties in governments all over Europe: they see themselves as representing, of even defending, their country rather than their part of Europe.
But does anyone really want to get rid of "the nation-state mentality" in Europe?
Of course. The globalists.
I should have added "publicly."
Yes, they're quite public about it. Though I should've probably mentioned that I don't mean Bilderberg group or any other conspiracy theories, but regular politicians who have been always talking about greater integration and unification and how Europe of nations is a thing of the past.
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@Gąska Fair enough. Like I said, it's not something I follow enough to claim to have a comprehensive understanding of the parties involved.
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@Gąska the thing is that a Greater Europe does make sense. That only works though if there is actually a common mindset, a common culture, etc. And there is to an extent (there are many commonalities among European nations, especially Western European ones, the social structure is more or less similar, the laws are more or less similar, etc.) but not enough to actually integrate these cultures into one. By the way, the way the EU acts goes counter to their long game. For example, the EU shouldn't care if Catalonia breaks out of Spain, or Scotland goes independent, etc. because in the long game borders are like those between New York and New Jersey. Instead it's still managed like a club where spouses are barred if they divorce, because the big boys have to stick together and pick sides. Plus, how can a union work with so much distrust between member states? As it is, Germany thinks it's better than the rest and the others are pathetic junkies.
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@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Inburgeringstest
Sounds delicious
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@ender said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
This isn't the first time Brussels bureaucrats have been messing up the .eu TLD:
IOW, don't use a .eu domain for anything important - you can never know when they'll change the rules and remove it from you.
Oh, how come it I've never heard about the Bulgarians (who use cyrillic alphabet) already having left the EU?
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
And neither the EU nor the UK are completely free to do whatever they want because otherwise non-EU countries will take them to court.
Treaties are only ever binding on nation states if those nation states agree that they are. Formally, they can repudiate them at any time they want, provided they are willing to put up with the consequences. Since the consequences could include nobody else ever trusting those jerkwads again on anything substantive, that's fairly constraining in sane versions of reality, but we appear to be not operating in a world comprised entirely of sanity.
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
The UK on the other hand has dreamed of unicorns and cakeism for a long time now.
Only the stupid extremists. The ones who are running the
asylumgovernment…
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@dkf funny you say that, because the government is the only part of UK ruling structures that has come up with a Brexit agreement of some sort, pre-approved by EU. It was only rejected by the parliament.
I think the queen should now step in and straighten out this whole shitfest. Too bad she lacks the balls to do so. I don't blame her, though - royal authority is a very delicate matter in the UK, and she hasn't done anything important her whole life.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
funny you say that, because the government is the only part of UK ruling structures that has come up with a Brexit agreement of some sort, pre-approved by EU. It was only rejected by the parliament.
Because it was terrible. The problem is in major part that the government has not been talking to those who oppose them. They might have been talking at them, but they sure as hell haven't been listening to anything said in response. What's more, they locked in things that were obviously going to be heavily opposed early on (the red lines that locked out a lot of options that the EU had open) as part of a process of pandering to their own extremists. For their own part, the extremists are rejecting anything with any sort of compromise (including those that might allow food to be imported!) because they're not as perfect as the dream Brexit that they've sort of thought about. They've got a history of doing exactly that going back at least a decade before the referendum, so it's not surprising at all.
The Remainers in Parliament loathe the May plan, and hate a no-deal scenario even more. They'd rather cancel the whole A50 process, but don't have quite enough votes to do so without at least one big party whipping their MPs to vote that way. The Brexit ultras are much more lacking in support; they definitely can't force things their way at this point. The government's official plan is viewed as being terrible by both camps, and failed utterly. Also, the government is desperate to avoid another election at this point. They're not at all sure that they'll win it (even enough to form a coalition).
I don't think the EU has done anything particularly wrong at this point. The problems are 99.9% on the UK side, and are either inherent in the stupid blindness of the factions, or are caused by the total lack of consultation over what Brexit ought to mean prior to sending the A50 notification and commencing negotiations. Which was caused by the PM being too stupid and weak to feel that she could push back her ultras for long enough, possibly encouraged by the fact that her husband is a banker who would really like to avoid the financial scrutiny laws that are coming in within the EU later this year.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
The only way such a large and diverse union (especially if we restrict the union to the Eurozone) can really work is if the stronger states prop up the weaker ones, just like within states, the stronger regions prop up the weaker ones (eg. West Germany and East Germany, Northern Italy and Southern Italy, etc.). But the union as it is cannot work, because the union is not tight enough, yet it cannot be tighter than it is, because the nation states are so wide apart.
The problem is the nation-state mentality, especially among the populist right but to a lesser degree also with most other people/parties in governments all over Europe: they see themselves as representing, of even defending, their country rather than their part of Europe.
By "part of Europe", do you mean regions smaller or larger than a country?
To answer that question, you need to define the proper size for a country vs a region. Several European countries are a lot smaller than many well-established regions. Here a helpful list of European countries by area.
(I guess you could look at the one by population as well, depending on what your intention is)
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@bjolling said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
The only way such a large and diverse union (especially if we restrict the union to the Eurozone) can really work is if the stronger states prop up the weaker ones, just like within states, the stronger regions prop up the weaker ones (eg. West Germany and East Germany, Northern Italy and Southern Italy, etc.). But the union as it is cannot work, because the union is not tight enough, yet it cannot be tighter than it is, because the nation states are so wide apart.
The problem is the nation-state mentality, especially among the populist right but to a lesser degree also with most other people/parties in governments all over Europe: they see themselves as representing, of even defending, their country rather than their part of Europe.
By "part of Europe", do you mean regions smaller or larger than a country?
To answer that question, you need to define the proper size for a country vs a region.
I didn't mean anything particular by regions. It was a synonym for "arbitrary plot of land". I asked whether the problem with "representing their country" is that a country is too small or too big of a unit.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@bjolling said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
The only way such a large and diverse union (especially if we restrict the union to the Eurozone) can really work is if the stronger states prop up the weaker ones, just like within states, the stronger regions prop up the weaker ones (eg. West Germany and East Germany, Northern Italy and Southern Italy, etc.). But the union as it is cannot work, because the union is not tight enough, yet it cannot be tighter than it is, because the nation states are so wide apart.
The problem is the nation-state mentality, especially among the populist right but to a lesser degree also with most other people/parties in governments all over Europe: they see themselves as representing, of even defending, their country rather than their part of Europe.
By "part of Europe", do you mean regions smaller or larger than a country?
To answer that question, you need to define the proper size for a country vs a region.
I didn't mean anything particular by regions. It was a synonym for "arbitrary plot of land". I asked whether the problem with "representing their country" is that a country is too small or too big of a unit.
Now that I started thinking about it (and after reading someone's comment up-thread about cultures and languages), country is in fact fairly irrelevant. We should be talking about culturally homogeneous groups of people. E.g. As a Dutch-speaking (i.e. Flemish) Belgian, I feel a stronger bond with people living in the South of the Netherlands than with people living in the South of Belgium. On that point, Europe as a continent (not especially the EU) is a big mess.
Here in Flanders a fair number of people, dreaming of the cessation of Belgium, are counting on transparently joining Europe as their new direct federal overlord. But when people think in terms of countries, this cannot happen. Same situation in Catalunia, I guess. Europe is not ready for letting go of the notion of nation-states.
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@bjolling are you saying we should dismantle non-homogenous countries, or what?
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@bjolling are you saying we should dismantle non-homogenous countries, or what?
If I could look at the European continent as an IT architect with a license to refactor, I would definitely draw the boundaries very differently from what they are today. For my situation that would make a lot of sense: I personally am affected by way too many governments on all kinds of levels: EU, country, region, community, province, city. I also don't work in the same region as I live so most of those levels, I have to count twice. It's nuts. Nation states here are the result of politics and wars and are not aligned (anymore) with the local people.
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@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Nothing will happen, stay calm all of youse. The EU doesn't really want to play hard ball with the UK, because that would be extremely counterproductive in this climate (where half of the Union is suspicious or outright despises the Union). The moment the UK is in deep shit is when the Eurosceptics start rallying against the inhumane imperialistic Union (and they would have a point). On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
Actually, it's the other way around: Brexit is the best advertisment for why idiotic Nationalism à la Orban is suicide. And that's why they will play hardball.
That sounds...circular.
Not really. Nationalists of all kinds always want their cake and eat it alone. This will show those morons exactly what happens when they get what they want.
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@Rhywden I see that the biggest plus of EU to you is that it pisses off people who are against EU to no end.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden I see that the biggest plus of EU to you is that it pisses off people who are against EU to no end.
No, the biggest plus is that we did not have a war in the EU for several decades now. Considering the history of this continent that's no small achievment.
Also, those morons always want to destroy and have no fucking clue how to actually build something. Case in point: Brexit. Smash things up but no idea what comes afterwards.
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden I see that the biggest plus of EU to you is that it pisses off people who are against EU to no end.
No, the biggest plus is that we did not have a war in the EU for several decades now. Considering the history of this continent that's no small achievment.
EU hasn't been necessary for that.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden EU hasn't been necessary for that.
Right.
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Nothing will happen, stay calm all of youse. The EU doesn't really want to play hard ball with the UK, because that would be extremely counterproductive in this climate (where half of the Union is suspicious or outright despises the Union). The moment the UK is in deep shit is when the Eurosceptics start rallying against the inhumane imperialistic Union (and they would have a point). On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
Actually, it's the other way around: Brexit is the best advertisment for why idiotic Nationalism à la Orban is suicide. And that's why they will play hardball.
That sounds...circular.
Not really. Nationalists of all kinds always want their cake and eat it alone. This will show those morons exactly what happens when they get what they want.
What will show them? You haven't broken the circle at all here. "And that's why they will play hardball" implies that there's something other than the hardball going on.