Can you even escape from Hades?
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Hades Status: I'm in the middle of a run where I've been fisting everything and got a ton of max life powerups, including one that increases max life whenever I pick up nectar. However I haven't seen any nectar since getting the powerup.
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FWIW, I've escaped 7 times and the story is still going somehow.
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I could really take over this thread with my own strategies... All of this is my own original research and observations, I've never actually looked for strats online,
As far as max HP goes, it's kind of like how wealth influences happiness (if you don't have enough, it's a big problem, but if you do, then having more doesn't change much). Weapon upgrades and boons are more important once you have at least 150 or so.
For boons, there seem to be slots (like equipment slots) for them, and I have definite favorites for each slot. Also, there are boons that enhance other boons, and those can get really powerful.
Attack & Special - S Tier - Artemis
Take this with an upgraded bow and her other crit-enhancing abilities and her seeking arrows - so many crit.
Attack & Special - A Tier - Aries
Doom! Doom! Doom! You need to grab all the support boons to stack up damage.
Attack & Special - A Tier - Zeus
Chain lightning, enhance with Jolted, good for crowd control.
Dash - S Tier - Athena
Fuck yes, whenever you dash you deflect projectiles. ABD. Always be dashing.
Dash - A Tier - Poseidon
Bash stuff into walls.
Call - S Tier - Poseidon
There are other boons that make this more powerful with Rupture and bonus boss damage and bonus damage for knocking foes into walls. Fill up the gauge and just bash circles into enemies - does massive damage.
Cast - S Tier - Demeter
You need to grab several support boons to make this worthwhile, but if you can get to the point where you're using 3 or 4 frost beams with Chilled, it does major damage and slows foes. You can use it to kite bosses, just set up your beams and take cover. One time I got a Duo with Artemis that made it track targets and that was epic.
Special & Cast - A Tier - Athena
It's handy to be able to deflect stuff.
Hermes - buff run speed and attack speed, and side hustle is nice; dodge and dash to heal are good too
Dionysus has some really good support stuff that doesn't fit into a slot exactly, like healing up to a certain minimum after each fight. Hangover is OK damage over time but Aries has better DPS.
Aphrodite... Well, at least she's hot. I don't really like her Weakness and Charm stuff. What's the message here - love is weak?
Chaos - a lot of risk/reward debuffs+buffs, nothing that really slots
There's a slot for revenge damage. I don't like to use it. Getting hit a lot is not a good plan. I guess I'd use either Demeter (to slow enemies dealing damage) or Athena (to prevent repeated hits).
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Writing that, I just realized that I'm getting more enjoyment from planning my final assault than the actual fights. That's also why I haven't looked up a strategy guide - I'm enjoying developing my own.
Looking up the best way would rob me of that experience, though I'm OK with collaborating with other players here (as long as they're similarly unspoiled).
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At my current point in the story, I'm starting to think that
Spoilery conjecture
the real villain is actually Demeter.
It would be so cool if she was a hidden boss. (I doubt it.)
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@error I don't have much to add right now, aside from the HP recovery boon I mentioned
(fake edit: Cursed Slash, I forget who it's from). It's quite helpful if you get hit a lot, even good enough to offset the -60% max HP.
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@hungrier said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
@error I don't have much to add right now, aside from the HP recovery boon I mentioned
(fake edit: Cursed Slash, I forget who it's from). It's quite helpful if you get hit a lot, even good enough to offset the -60% max HP.I believe it's a weapon upgrade for the sword, not a boon at all. I haven't managed to escape with the sword yet. The final fight is hard at close range.
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@error Maybe it doesn't count as a boon, but whatever it was I got it right at the start of a run, same as I've gotten boons on other runs.
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@hungrier It comes from the hammer, which has specific upgrades for the weapon you're using. Boons technically are gifts from the Olympus gods. Certain events in the story make me wonder if it's possible to escape without boons, or if it could affect the story somehow.
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@hungrier said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
I've been fisting everything
Lifestyle thread is
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Dear Diary, today I got owned by: Some shield dudes in Elysium
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@error said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
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HTH HAND
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@izzion said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
@error said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
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HTH HANDI already made my WTF Bites post about how painful it is to export a screenshot from Switch.
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@hungrier said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
I took the picture in landscape. I blame Samsung.
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@error said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
@izzion said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
@error said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
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HTH HANDI already made my WTF Bites post about how painful it is to export a screenshot from Switch.
You can transfer screenshots with a USBC cable. It's still a bit of a pain in the ass (you have to go into settings to connect) but at least it's better than the Rube Goldberg-ish "Send to smartphone" feature.
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@boomzilla said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
No wonder you keep losing.
Is it because I play in handheld mode?
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@error it's all tipped over.
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2 streak, all weapons done.
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This time credits rolled!
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@hungrier said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
@error said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
@izzion said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
@error said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
Filed under: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screenshot
HTH HANDI already made my WTF Bites post about how painful it is to export a screenshot from Switch.
You can transfer screenshots with a USBC cable. It's still a bit of a pain in the ass (you have to go into settings to connect) but at least it's better than the Rube Goldberg-ish "Send to smartphone" feature.
Even that one is workable and a huge improvement to "post to your twatter account and download from there".
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I'm really impressed that after twelve escapes and seeing the "real" ending, there's still fresh voice-acted context-sensitive dialogue!
This game has by far the most written/spoken content I've ever seen in a game. It manages to be very witty throughout, and it never gets stale.
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@error AIUI, Driver San Francisco has a ton of spoken dialogue. In that game, you can jump from car to car, replacing the driver. If there's a passenger in the car, you'll jump into the middle of their conversation, and they also react to whatever you're doing.
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The fifth door had the sack.
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@error Fake! The screenshot is right side up.
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The game has hinted at an even-more-real ending. For real.
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Status: Now that I've unlocked the last (?) weapon and defeated the first fury with it, I see what the titan blood is used for. Will it help me stop losing and get any farther in the game? :who_nose:
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@hungrier said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
Status: Now that I've unlocked the last (?) weapon and defeated the first fury with it, I see what the titan blood is used for. Will it help me stop losing and get any farther in the game? :who_nose:
For whatever reason (see screenshots) I'm finding the bow to be much easier to win with, and ranged weapons in general.
The only fight I still struggle with is the last one, and the problem is avoiding damage in particular, so I guess it makes sense to keep my distance.
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@error For me it's the opposite, I'm really bad with the bow. The other day I used it (firstly because it had the +20% darkness bonus, but also because it was the last weapon that I had unlocked but hadn't completed Tartarus with yet), and I was feeling pretty good after winning the first handful of rooms without taking damage, but I ended up just barely making it out of the fury fight, and got owned pretty quick after that.
I still have a long way to go before I git gud
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It really feels like I'm just mashing the face buttons and moving the stick around sometimes. Just spam all your attacks as fast as you can and keep moving away from damage sources.
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This part refers to "heat level", which are optional additional challenges you can add to a run. Like give all enemies +15%hp or give them all buffs or have a time limit.
The fury fight for me is all 3 furies. Each boss has an upgraded version. I haven't fought the other harder boss fights yet. The last boss is hard enough already.
You get the reward items for each boss fight you win with a distinct weapon + heat level.
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@error I haven't unlocked that yet (or if I have, it's not obvious how to turn it on), but the game did upgrade one of my boss fights all on its own: The first few times I reached the minotaur, it was just him (and he pwned me every time), now it's both the minotaur and Theseus
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@hungrier said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
@error I haven't unlocked that yet (or if I have, it's not obvious how to turn it on), but the game did upgrade one of my boss fights all on its own: The first few times I reached the minotaur, it was just him (and he pwned me every time), now it's both the minotaur and Theseus
It's unlocked after your first escape. Minotaur solo is the mid-level boss fight, and is optional. You can and will fight both in one run.
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@error OIC.
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@error said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
This game has by far the most written/spoken content I've ever seen in a game.
You haven't played many games, have you.
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@Gąska said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
@error said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
This game has by far the most written/spoken content I've ever seen in a game.
You haven't played many games, have you.
More than most people, I would think...
I've put over 60 hours into this one, very conservatively (probably twice that) and there's still barely any repetition of dialogue.
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On a given run I talk to:
- Hypnos
- Persephone
- Cerberus
- Hades
- Dusa
- Achilles
- Meg
- Nyx
- Thanatos
- Orpheus
- Sisyphus
- Patroclus
- Skelly
- Eurydice
- Charon
- 4 different bosses (there's banter before and after each fight)
- Chaos
- Zeus
- Ares
- Athena
- Hermes
- Poseidon
- Demeter
- Dionysus
- Aphrodite
- Artemis
Each person I talk to or object I interact with or level I advance, there's new dialogue. I have done over 100 runs (completion rate of 10-12%). I'm still hearing more new content than old content. Nearly every screen has some flavor text, often times very context-sensitive (your health bar state, which gods you've spoken to previously, what killed you last run, which items you have equipped, etc). All of it is voice acted.
Every named person on that list also has a relationship rank bar and a unique item. There are unique dialogue lines for each step in the relationship bar.
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@Gąska said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
@error said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
This game has by far the most written/spoken content I've ever seen in a game.
You haven't played many games, have you.
Seriously, I've played games that were entirely centered around talking that had less talking than this game.
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@error don't think I haven't noticed the subtle switch from "no game I played had more dialogue" to "some games I played had less dialogue even though they feel like they should have more".
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@Gąska said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
@error don't think I haven't noticed the subtle switch from "no game I played had more dialogue" to "some games I played had less dialogue even though they feel like they should have more".
I'm really trying to come up with a game that has more talk but honestly... Even Hideo Kojima titles with 20 minute cinematic scenes are coming up short.
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@error said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
@Gąska said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
@error don't think I haven't noticed the subtle switch from "no game I played had more dialogue" to "some games I played had less dialogue even though they feel like they should have more".
I'm really trying to come up with a game that has more talk
Skyrim. IIRC you played Skyrim.
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@Gąska said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
@error said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
@Gąska said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
@error don't think I haven't noticed the subtle switch from "no game I played had more dialogue" to "some games I played had less dialogue even though they feel like they should have more".
I'm really trying to come up with a game that has more talk
Skyrim. IIRC you played Skyrim.
Yeah, I would say Skyrim doesn't come close.
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@error and I would say you're wrong. Skyrim has nearly a thousand named NPCs, and most of them have at least a couple unique lines. The intro alone is 5 minutes of nothing but voiced dialogues, and there are several other scenes like that, e.g. the armistice negotiations or the Nocturnal Temple part. It's just physically impossible for a game that doesn't have extended talk-only cutscenes to have that many voiced lines. There's just nowhere to put them in.
Now, if you were to say it Hades feels like it has more unique dialogue lines, that's different. 99% of Skyrim is very bland and generic; I don't blame you for forgetting most of its dialogue lines even exist.
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@Gąska I'd say I've put nearly comparable time into both games by now. I had the Skyrim strategy guide and I was about 80% complete with going through the entire guide. I swear I heard the same lines over and over and over (arrow to the knee, ugh), and the lines were often hilariously inappropriate to the situation.
The Hades writing on the other hand, always feels fresh. The 20th or so time I fought the bone hydra, Zagreus said "Can I call you Lernie?" and the bosses name permanently changed to Lernie the Bone Hydra, and he called him Lernie every encounter after that. If I barely survived an encounter, I can expect the next god to remark about how I'm bleeding everywhere. I equipped the item to talk to Zeus, and Hermes showed up and said ~"I know you were looking for Zeus but I'm faster and got here first." It's fucking startling how many extremely specific lines there are, and that after literally a hundred runs it's still got new ones I've never heard before. I've completed the game 12 times now and there are fresh plot developments happening.
I don't know, maybe it's just a feeling, I have no data to go on here, but at this point they've effectively created the impression that the dialogue is infinite, in that it's so specific and seldom repeats.
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@Gąska said in Can you even escape from Hades?:
99% of Skyrim is very bland and generic; I don't blame you for forgetting most of its dialogue lines even exist.
I'm sure part of the problem is because the world is so sprawling, the NPC and talky scenes are spread far apart, and if you spend any amount of time in one place you'll inevitably just get the same handful of NPCs saying the same handful of things.
