The right to fork makes open source software a breeding ground for innovation!?
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While I'm not dissing the explanation, the way this was written makes me think of this:
An explanation of MariaDB makes you think of beating up
prostituteshookers?
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You're buttuming I'm a USian again, aren't you?
I live in Europe: Shitty. The fact I even recognize the guy's face should be surprising.
I think I saw it in a YouTube video, to be exact.
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The topic was updating the kernel. Not "the majority of updates."
So who gives a shit?
Look, they added a feature to enable you to do this thing you very very rarely ever do really easily! WOW!
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What's that?
Some say it's people that live on (almost) the opposite side of the globe from me.
Personally, I think that the whole "Earth is a globe" thing is a conspiracy and that USians are just lizard people.
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Look, they added a feature to enable you to do this thing you very very rarely ever do really easily! WOW!
…in an innovative way, which is why it was originally mentioned.
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You're buttuming I'm a USian again, aren't you?
No, but I am assuming that news got farther than it apparently did...
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So who gives a shit?
Obviously not people who are wrong.
Look, they added a feature
to enable you to do this thing you very very rarely ever do really easilythat I can't understand! WOW!
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But even then, updating a service was functionally identical to a reboot in many, many cases.
Functionally? Perhaps. Practically? Fuck no. You can restart a service in seconds. A rebooting server takes several minutes to come back up. And with Windows, you never really know if it is going to reboot a second time.
Ever reboot a server and then it doesn't come back up because of some silly shit like a BIOS battery has went dead and than you have to drive across town to hit F2 to continue? Yeah, there is a major difference between restarting a service and rebooting a machine...
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I am just here to point out that my Picard image was, sadly, appropriate.
Oh well... better get some more popcorn then.
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I am just here to point out that my Picard image was, sadly, appropriate.
So was my fish.
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I hope his doctorate had like an asterisk next to it or something.
So...I perused a bit of it. How much did you actually read? It's actually from a school of economics. Some of his point was that companies can fork open source and use it for their stuff.
Something tells me you only looked at the title.
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I got busy at work. Then you guys swarmed here and eh whatever.
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Linux kernel version 4 is getting the functionality to be be patched while running.
Which systemd will render moot by requiring restarts on even the most trivial updates.
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Which systemd will render moot by requiring restarts on even the most trivial updates.
@Onyx, do you have anymore memes in your arsenal? Systemd was mentioned, so not another war is about to start. ;)
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...no, the telephone is just an improvement over yelling. Hm....
And yet the iPad is a step backwards...
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I'm kinda trying not to push it too far with the memes. I already use them too much IMHO.
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Nonsense. For a while I used a ton of them with the hope of provoking a blakeyrant...and it never happened.
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Nonsense. For a while I used a ton of them with the hope of provoking a blakeyrant...and it never happened.
Like if that was hard to provoke ;)
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Ever reboot a server and then it doesn't come back up because of some silly shit like a BIOS battery has went dead and than you have to drive across town to hit F2 to continue?
I sense this is the voice experience talking...
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I got busy at work. Then you guys swarmed here and eh whatever.
You are busy rebooting your servers ?
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Nonsense
You really don't want me to post Red Dwarf clips every time I feel tempted to do so.
I'd probably get the spoon.
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Alright, so the fact you have the "right to fork" the code in most cases isn't really that much of a benefit. The source code is a reflection of the people that built it, and unless you somehow fork the development team, then you're pretty much doomed to forever playing catch-up against the original project.
Most of the 'significant' forks, (e.g. LibreOffice), come about because the core team shifts focus from one branch to another.
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Something tells me you only looked at the title.
Of course the title was pure blakeyrant provocation material. It combined the word "open-source" and "innovation" in the same sentence.
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I sense this is the voice experience talking...
You would be correct. It was the only server in the rack without IPM, and that was a pain in the ass. It was freezing outside, ~3AM, snowing and the datacenter had just switched all of their crash carts over to USB only and this was an older server that had defaulted to PS/2 only and had never been changed in the BIOS. The entire thing was a fiasco from start to finish.
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Nonsense. For a while I used a ton of them with the hope of provoking a blakeyrant...and it never happened.
You could switch to posting pictures of Amy Rose… but then that's ma thang
@Onyx said:You really don't want me to post Red Dwarf clips every time I feel tempted to do so.
I'd probably get the spoon.
You could try… I may not want to give it up!
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Of course the title was pure blakeyrant provocation material. It combined the word "open-source" and "innovation" in the same sentence.
Actually, it would work even better if it started with "Actually".
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You could switch to posting pictures of Amy Rose… but then that's ma thang
What about Amy Pond? She is pretty easy on the eyes.
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Linux kernel version 4 is getting the functionality to be be patched while running.
Windows has had that since 1991. Get the hell off my lawn.
On your oh-so-loved windows, every belgium insignificant piece that gets updated forces you to reboot.
Get a new virus scanner, printer driver, or BonziBuddy; yours is obviously broken.That just show you know nothing about Linux. hint :
rmmod
andmodprobe
.Right, those things that almost never work, unlike Windows' driver loading and unloading, which almost always works. Because Microsoft made it a WHQL signing requirement.
What, was I supposed to write a novel here ? blakeyrat can't even be bothered to do some research before he spit on anything open source.
You could have linked to the stupid braindead marketing speech and added your own unique thoughts. You didn't need to just vomit it into the page.
Nope. Ksplice.
RIP Ksplice 2008-2011, killed by Oracle.I know drivers are built-in to the kernal.
Kernel, and they're usually not. The two programs mentioned remove a driver module from a running kernel, and print out an error message about how the module you just removed is still present, respectively.TIL that @blakeyrat doesn't know the difference between libraries and kernels.
Stop being disingenuous. The argument is about updates not being applied until you restart and updates silently not being applied until you restart, which applies equally well to both kernels (which both OSes updaters whine about) and libraries (which only one OS' updaters whine about).
Which systemd will render moot by requiring restarts on even the most trivial updates.
QFT
Of course the title was pure blakeyrant provocation material. It combined the word "open-source" and "innovation" in the same sentence.
Pandering, ad hominem. Go back to high school debate club. Or politics. Somewhere else with a really low level of discourse.
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They're not built in the kernel, they're just in the exact same repo as the kernel and have to be updated along with the kernel. Suuure.
Notepad isn't built into the Core OS of Windows, it's just in the same codebase as the core, and has to be updated with the Core. Therefore you cannot upgrade your text editor without rebooting Windows.
Actually - that sounds more sensible than your pretend ignorance I quoted at the start of this post...
Has the same number of valid arguments/assumptions in it however.
Filed under: Innovatium™®©
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………Sorry, kinda zoned out there; what were we talking about?
This will be used in the future. I have a thing now...
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Pandering, ad hominem. Go back to high school debate club. Or politics. Somewhere else with a really low level of discourse.
HTFY.
Also, are you @blakeyrat's sock puppet?
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This will be used in the future.
I have updated my little black book as well.
Filed under: You wanted references, you got them, I expect maybe 3 people on the forum getting this
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You really don't want me to post Red Dwarf clips every time I feel tempted to do so.
I'd probably get the spoon.
I just watched the first 5 minutes of the "Stoke me a clipper" episode of Red Dwarf... did I just watch? I am fucking lost...
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I would start from the beginning, watch maybe the first 4 or 5 episodes so that the various characters and their dynamics are established...
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You managed to pick one of like 3 episodes that requires specific knowledge of previous episodes.
Also, it's series 7, where they started slipping into "fan-only territory" unfortunately.
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I just watched the first 5 minutes of the "Stoke me a clipper" episode of Red Dwarf
That is probably the worst episode to start with.
I'd say start right at the beginning, but the show really hit its stride in series 3. So you could start with the first episode of that: 'Backwards'.
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I'd say start right at the beginning, but the show really hit its stride in series 3
Queeg is not amused.
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Oh, it's a fine episode, but you have to admit Series 3 really stepped it up ;)
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Ambivalent. I'm one of those assholes who, while I enjoy Kryten, thinks that it might have been the wrong move adding him as a regular character. So I have mixed feelings about that.
Then again, Marooned is arguably my favourite episode...
Should we get this Jeffed to it's own thread?
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Windows has had that since 1991. Get the hell off my lawn.
So windows can live patch the kernel but requires you to restart when it updates some libraries ?
You are joking
@TwelveBaud said:Get a new virus scanner, printer driver, or BonziBuddy; yours is obviously broken.
I didn't know Windows Update was part of BonziBuddy. That may explain some of its behavior
@TwelveBaud said:Right, those things that almost never work, unlike Windows' driver loading and unloading, which almost always works. Because Microsoft made it a WHQL signing requirement.
Learn how to use the tool. I've used rmmod and modprobe very often and it never was a problem.
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Oh, it's a fine episode, but you have to admit Series 3 really stepped it up
Open source is bad because Red Dwarf series 3 got obsessed with monster-of-the-week plots. You heard it here first.
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@TwelveBaud said:
Right, those things that almost never work, unlike Windows' driver loading and unloading, which almost always works. Because Microsoft made it a WHQL signing requirement.
Learn how to use the tool. I've used rmmod and modprobe very often and it never was a problem.I've also not had any problems with rmmod or modprobe. The claim that they "almost never work" is quite odd.
On the other hand I VERY frequently end up installing drivers on Windows that are not signed, but at least the manufacturer has a popup to warn me not to worry about that and to just install them anyway.
On the other other hand I used to use Ksplice and it was awesome (Like really awesome.). I am looking forward to the builtin equivalent.
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I've also not had any problems with rmmod or modprobe. The claim that they "almost never work" is quite odd.
I was having problems with them a few days ago. Then I realized the cable to my DVD drive was disconnected or loose or something so it wasn't connected. Fuck you, open source.
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It's that damned Linux hardware again!
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At least Windows never crashes...