The Official Status Thread
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that boiler would have needed replacing either way.
Point of order: If your water heater is boiling water, it's broken."Boiler" generally refers to a heating appliance feeding radiators.
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RaceProUK likes Smart cars, he's obviously a little soft in the noggin.
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Point of order: water heaters are colloquially (and incorrectly) called 'boilers' in the United Kingdom of Anglo-Saxons et al
@blakeyrat said:RaceProUK likes Smart cars
Smart Roadster; the ForTwo can go fuck a donkey in the arse. And the ForFour's just a fucking Mitsubishi Generic Small Box in a shitty frock.
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.... I found the underlying problem.
I've been trying to debug this for FIVE MONTHS. I've had four developers, three support specialists, an SA and, for what it's worth, a manager, look at it in addition to myself. Because of the total fucked up pile of mess this the codebase is, nobody's been able to debug it (the original dev actually died in the middle of major changes and revisiting it hasn't been a priority).
So. Here it is.
Do you see it? Hint: This bug only affects client #1, which went live on day 1, in a massive hail of chaos, and was installed by hand because management insisted it be done by hand for quality purposes.
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Status: Earlier I went to the grocery. I soon realized that eggs and milk (bread I later realized) were very low in stock. I checked the weather and of course we are expecting severe winter weather tomorrow. It seems that there is an American tradition to have French Toast when you are snowed in, and I did not get the memo.
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Exceptionally poopy french toast, at that. You should take a look at the toilet paper section.
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My wife makes the best Taiwanese* dumplings :<yum>)
* Chinese? How dare you!
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Exceptionally poopy french toast, at that. You should take a look at the toilet paper section.
Not sure exactly where you were going with that, regardless I agree. When I make French Toast: I make it with Challah bread, I cut it and let it sit out overnight to get good and stale, I mix up my custard mixture the night before, and I never make it with shitty store-bought white bread.
Addendum: Holy fuck, I just hit Tab+Enter out of habit and it just now worked again. Thank you to @sam, that had been really annoying.
Second Addendum: Nevermind @sam, you get no kudos. I have been drinking and apparently fat-fingered Ctrl+Enter. This shit still sucks.
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Dang. That's an impressive one.
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Status: http://yellow.bikeshed.com/. Wait, no, http://blue.bikeshed.com/! Hang on, http://green.bikeshed.com/...
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Ok right now I'm eating shrimp spring rolls. Am I eating them as an intelligent person or as an idiot? I MUST KNOW.
Isn't asking the question, answering the question?
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It didn't occur to either of us, since the old boiler was 20 years old (with a 6-year warranty) and it being stone-dead was pretty believable.
Still...first thing you always check..Is it on?
It needed replacing in any case.
True.
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If we had known, the end-result would have been the same.
Though you would have had hot water sooner if you'd known and just put a new breaker in there.
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I thought about writing it in
pseudocodejQuery, but was afraid some SO asshole would see it and copy paste it in to production.SOTFY
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Unless blakey's a trained plumber/electrician/whatever, I wouldn't expect him to necessarily think about checking the breaker, because I wouldn't expect any layman to think about it
I wouldn't have explicitly checked the breaker, but I would have checked power at the heater. Then I would have checked the breaker.
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I wouldn't have explicitly checked the breaker,
thats actually what i would check first, or nearly first, personally.
"it's not working.... okay well let's see if it should be getting power before i try and figure out where he put his tools this time. i swear he loves annoying me by making sure i can never find his tools, he hides them so well even he can't find them! i mean i put them back where i find them but that's not good enough.... oh the breaker tripped. ok. well that's solved then."
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We're supposed to get rain tomorrow. Maybe that will melt the global warming in my yard.
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Status: Feeling a bit tired at work after a weekend trip to this...
Darts match in Melbourne halted by brawling fans in fancy dress
The final of the Invitational Darts Challenge at Melbourne’s Etihad Stadium was disrupted by fans throwing chairs and brawling, with up to 40 spectators removed before play continued
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<smalll>Sourced from cracked.com's The 5 Circles of Baffling Web Comic Hell
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hey you should watch my Sonic 2006 stream. It's full of all kinds of new technological innovations like: audio.
Including much swearing at the game and complaints that you weren't drunk enough to be playing it.
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I have 5 breaker boxes. 4 of those, all full, are feeding through one 100A main breaker (the 5th panel is in the garage 50 yards away and wired sanely with its own 200A main).
I'm not sure what my service is; there doesn't seem to be a single main breaker in the box in the utility room, nor does there seem to be any sort of breaker or disconnect outside at the meter. All I can say with any semblance of certainty is that the utility room box has a section for up to six service disconnects, and all the individual circuits are fed from a 60A breaker in the service disconnect section.
The garage has its own box full of 20A breakers. All of the garage, along with the outlets in kitchen and dining room, is fed from a single 20A breaker in the utility room. (If I can believe the labels on the box, which are generally B*****med.) It may not surprise you to learn that this is the only breaker I've ever tripped, nor that I've tripped it multiple times. (No tea while I'm working on projects in the garage.)
The line came in to the house via a zig-zag: a line from the street to a pole well behind the house, that went on and fed several other houses behind mine. A line from that pole came forwards to my house, went directly over a tree. Over time, the tree grew up and the line sagged, until one fine day I saw an orange glow through a window. Yup, the two met, and the line caught fire, so I called 911. The next day it turned out the rest of the line, as it fed the other houses, was draped across most of the next-door neighbor's garage roof.
My service comes directly from the main pole to my house — directly through the branches of about three trees. It's about 4 - 6 inches from the trunk of a small - medium fir tree. I'm surprised bad things haven't already happened with the winds we get here.If I owned the house, upgrading the electrical system would be #1 on the list of things to do. I strongly suspect that's just the tip of the iceberg, though; the place is full of 2-prong outlets, and I'm not convinced that the ground is actually connected to the outlets that have 3 prongs.
And 3 of those were hunting for a screw I dropped.
Not into the box, I hope.
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Morning. Dark. Need tea.
Went to bed early-ish for me. Had weird dream. (Went to outdoor mall for lunch with cow-orkers. Walking around looking for a restaurant that suited our fancy. Found one that only served lawyers. Walking between two buildings looking for another, cow-orker started singing — so loudly that chunks started falling off the building.) Woke up multiple times during the night feeling wide awake enough that it must be time to get up. No. When alarm finally went off, feel draggy and half-asleep.
Need tea.
Filed under: Why does an alarm "go off" when it is activated?
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I'm not sure what my service is; there doesn't seem to be a single main breaker in the box in the utility room, nor does there seem to be any sort of breaker or disconnect outside at the meter. All I can say with any semblance of certainty is that the utility room box has a section for up to six service disconnects, and all the individual circuits are fed from a 60A breaker in the service disconnect section.
Oh, joy -- a rule-of-six panel! What do the other five 240VAC breakers feed?
The garage has its own box full of 20A breakers. All of the garage, along with the outlets in kitchen and dining room, is fed from a single 20A breaker in the utility room.
Wow. Double-tapping is a hazard to one's health -- I seriously doubt Section 215 allows you to do that to a feeder, but I'd have to double-check this when I get home.If I owned the house, upgrading the electrical system would be #1 on the list of things to do. I strongly suspect that's just the tip of the iceberg, though; the place is full of 2-prong outlets, and I'm not convinced that the ground is actually connected to the outlets that have 3 prongs.
Same with my place -- we still have the house's original (1950s) fuse panel in service, and the wiring itself appears to be original, as well (cloth-covered NM). Thankfully, there are no subpanels roaming around to haunt us, nor do we have outlets that are missing a quarter of their insulator; I have only found one properly grounded three-prong outlet in the place though.At least there hasn't been a blundering idiot going through and making a mess of things, as far as I can tell.
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Oh, joy -- a rule-of-six panel! What do the other five 240VAC breakers feed?
Good question, because the labels are B*****med and don't match reality. Two blanks, two breakers, and a hole I could stick my fingers in and electrocute myself (if I were stupid enough to do that).
The water heater appears to use a 30A breaker.
The dryer may, depending on which label you believe and how you attempt the match the numbering on the label to the numbering on the panel, be fed from the empty space; a breaker that, if it existed, would be in the space between the two sections of the panel; two breakers in the lower section that are not bonded together; or, most likely, the bonded pair whose lower half forms the upper half of the previously mentioned unbonded pair.
The stove/oven is apparently fed from pixie dust, because it isn't even mentioned on the label. In reality, it probably uses the other, 50A breaker that is not labeled.
There is also a second bonded pair in the lower section which is either, again depending on how you try to map labels to reality, only half used, or "heater" without specifying which of the six electric wall heaters in the house it might be (at least a couple of which have labeled individual breakers, if you believe the labels).
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Two blanks, two breakers, and a hole I could stick my fingers in and electrocute myself
And just what in all of Belgium has your landlord been doing all this time? (Not that we're doing much better -- the 40A breaker for our air conditioner was mounted in a junction box with no faceplate because the A/C installer had some sort of electrical brain damage. At least that box is above our fuse box, which puts it high enough up on the wall that we'd have to use a fiberglass hookstick just to actuate it.)
The dryer may, depending on which label you believe and how you attempt the match the numbering on the label to the numbering on the panel, be fed from the empty space; a breaker that, if it existed, would be in the space between the two sections of the panel; two breakers in the lower section that are not bonded together; or, most likely, the bonded pair whose lower half forms the upper half of the previously mentioned unbonded pair.
Wow. Tapping the busbars directly? What sort of pyromaniac was doing electrical work in your house!? Not that the idea of having a 240VAC appliance fed by two unbonded single pole breakers is any better...is that bonded pair a pair of 30A breakers, per chance?The stove/oven is apparently fed from pixie dust, because it isn't even mentioned on the label. In reality, it probably uses the other, 50A breaker that is not labeled.
Yep, it's the 50A breaker -- no other single appliance draws that much current in most homes.
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is that bonded pair a pair of 30A breakers, per chance?
Yes.
And just what in all of ■■■■■■■ has your landlord been doing all this time?
What sort of pyromaniac was doing electrical work in your house!?
I'm not sure, but I suspect the landlord himself.Did I mention that the wiring coming out of the box uses an interesting mix of rigid conduit, flexible conduit and a couple of pieces of Romex that dangle free in space before disappearing through a hole in the ceiling? Or that the ground wire is bonded to both the cold and hot water pipes at the washing machine faucets (one of which uses the black pipe mentioned in another post)?
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I'm not sure, but I suspect the landlord himself.
Sheesh. Somebody needs to pay to have a competent, licensed electrician come in and clean up the mess your landlord made -- right now, he's probably running illegal housing, given how egregrious some of the Code violations are...just when was your house built, by the way?
Did I mention that the wiring coming out of the box uses an interesting mix of rigid conduit, flexible conduit and a couple of pieces of Romex that dangle free in space before disappearing through a hole in the ceiling?
Exposed Romex? Yuk, yuk. Mixing rigid and flex conduit is legal AIUI though, as long as you use the right fittings for each.Or that the ground wire is bonded to both the cold and hot water pipes at the washing machine faucets (one of which uses the black pipe mentioned in another post)?
Thankfully, that's just mildly goofy, compared to the display of utter incompetence that the rest of your house has shown us.
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no other single appliance draws that much current in most homes
... except for whole-house A/C units or heat pumps, which sometimes require a time-delay 60A breaker.
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... except for whole-house A/C units or heat pumps, which usually require a time-delay 60A breaker
Our A/C is on a 40A -- now if you have one of those infernal 'electric furnaces', you'll really need a 60A breaker for it, or something larger yet...
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The train operator had two ways they could sell that seat for the leg (e.g. $50 each for two different people or $75 for both for one person). They lost the opportunity cost to sell that seat to two people (in this instance $25). Don't be dumb now, this is basic economics.
This is why airlines will cancel your ticket when you aren't on the first leg as well. You agree to it in the rules.
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just when was your house built, by the way?
I'm not sure. I'm guessing 1940's, either during the wartime West Coast shipbuilding boom, or the post-war housing boom, but I could be off by 20 years. It's not a cookie-cutter house, but it doesn't have a distinctive architectural style, either.
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Status: internet died last night so I killed the 60+ hour fort. I started a much smaller fort and it finished overnight. Here's the video: http://www.hitbox.tv/video/380675
For some reason, the beginning of the video didn't record. Strange. I'll try it again today.
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We're concerned that after updating a particular component of our stack, we may have a case of server cooties.
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We're concerned that after updating a particular component of our stack, we may have a case of server cooties.
When doesn't WTDWTF have server cooties?
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When doesn't WTDWTF have server cooties?
When it's down.
I was referring to work, however, not WTDWTF.
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I was referring to work, however, not WTDWTF.
Ah. Better not allow contact with WTDWTF servers then. Keep work servers strictly quarantined to avoid possible contamination.
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Better not allow contact with WTDWTF servers then. Keep work servers strictly quarantined to avoid possible contamination.
These cooties are of a very different sort. More enterprisey for sure. IBM is involved.
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These cooties are of a very different sort. More enterprisey for sure. IBM is involved.
Ugh. I feel your pain. We have an AS400 which most of our user base interacts with. Those that do use specialized IBM software. Not only that, but we have another corporate entity that we communicate with using IBM's WebSphere software, mainly because most of their data is on a CICS mainframe.
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Ugh. I feel your pain.
I'm mostly a spectator. This is more of a sysadmin issue. Though I have a task to explore some alternatives, which is usually a little more fun than normal development, so it all works out for me!
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Status: At work. Working. A little bit ahead of my estimates. Woo.
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Reading some really old unread topics during lunch. (How the heck did I manage to go three months without either getting caught up or just marking them read?) Found a link to a website with over 40000 webcomics indexed. This does not bode well for getting useful work done.
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So it's more of a ... permanent, incurable condition ?
We upgraded something, and some configuration stuff changed. I suspect we're just misconfigured currently, but who fuckin' knows.
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Hey - I remember someone very recently posted somewhere on this forum a youtube clip of a moderately funny exchange between a man and a woman in front of an ATM machine, after the man couldn't find his PIN#. (I think as promo for some TV show?)
Anyone knows where that post is, or knows what show this was? Since I watched the clip embedded, it wasn't recorded in my history...
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@created_just_to_disl said:
his PIN#
His Personal Identification Number Number?
@created_just_to_disl said:
Since I watched the clip embedded, it wasn't recorded in my history...
I remember this one but oddly despite everything else I watch here being in my YouTube history, this isn't.
