Windows 10 can-of-worms
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The universal version must, because it does on my phone.
That's probably not enough reason to convince my company to upgrade from Office 2010.
Even my good reason (testing compatibility) wasn't good enough for them to buy me a copy.
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I don't think you ever even tried text search.
I find it highly amusing that the CLI IS EVIL guy thinks that's even an argument.
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I dont think they'll be charging for the universal version of Outlook. Could be wrong. Outlook and Calendar come in a package that isn't the full office package.
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Oh look, now not only does
< == >
, butsearch == memory + tradition
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I assume you're probably not using most of the live tiles. Unpin them and now you can live in a staticy world.
You're also assuming that when I use Windows 8+, it's on my own machine. Which it isn't. Customers complain, and with good reason, if the technician fucks with their muscle memory.
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I must admit that I haven't run into those "flashy" Live tiles yet.
You probably spend less time working with other people's computers than I do.
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are you just going by your incredibly wrong and misleading gut feelings on the matter?
OK, so now you're presuming to tell me that I'm doing my own subjective experience wrong? What are you, my shrink? FOAD, YDIW.
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OK, so now you're presuming to tell my that I'm doing my own subjective experience wrong?
Your subjective experience is whatever it is.
But you can't tell me that a piece of software is doing something wrong unless you have some evidence to back it up.
You subjectively disliking the software, well, ok. You dislike it. Fine. People dislike a lot of things. But that has nothing to do with whether the feature is good or bad.
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why would I have done that?
Weird. First time I sat down in front of my new Windows 8 desktop, I ended up clicking around the start page trying to find the customization options and figure out how to put stuff I'd actually use on it. I found the resize and live-tile toggles right away.
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From what I can tell, there are a couple responses people have to a new system:
- Freeze in terror
- Learn to deal with it
- Try things, and figure out how it works
But most people seem to go for 1 and 2. It's pretty much like that tech support flowchart: some of us just do that immediately when we encounter something new.
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You need to put parens around those operators if you're going to use them in infix position or pass them as an argument:
(<) == (>)
. You could also write:(==) (<) (>)
.
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K,
(= < >)
Apparently Discourse thinks that isn't sufficiently 'descriptive' ...which leads me to:
'<' == '>'
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I'm only pinning tiles to apps I actually use
News is pinned by default in 8. I don't know OTTOMH if that's different in 10.
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I believe so, but it feels like less of a waste to leave it there for some reason.
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I dont think they'll be charging for the universal version of Outlook.
That might be worth looking into, if it works with an Exchange server and isn't some kind of POP/IMAP-only version like Outlook Express.
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Weird. First time I sat down in front of my new Windows 8 desktop, I ended up clicking around the start page trying to find the customization options and figure out how to put stuff I'd actually use on it. I found the resize and live-tile toggles right away.
I looked for stuff like pin/unpin and "Open File Location" so I could put a couple of things on the desktop. I didn't look at every menu option. Also, specifically for live tiles, you only get the turn off option for those, and any live tiles I touched, was only to unpin completely, so I just never noticed the turn off.
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The options when adding an account on my phone:
- Exchange
- Exchange, Office 365
- iCloud
- IBM Notes Traveler
- Other Account
- POP, IMAP
- Advanced Setup
The phone's File Explorer is pretty cool too.
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You need to put parens around those operators if you're going to use them in infix position or pass them as an argument: (<) == (>). You could also write: (==) (<) (>).
Nice pendantry, but it was more piquant than dickweedy, so I didn't it.
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Apparently Discourse thinks that isn't sufficiently 'descriptive'
Yeah, descriptive means you have to have at least one lowercase letter in the post.
It's a shitty error.
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That's nice, but I don't have a Windows phone, and I don't want my work email on my personal phone unless the company buys one for me and pays the monthly bill.
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It's a Universal app. It's the same one as Win10. That's the point of Win10.
Still, I didn't know iCloud was a type of email provider, and seeing Notes is vaguely interesting.
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If you're just going to knee-jerk against the ribbon without even considering the ways it's superior to the previous
Well, in Explorer, the ribbon is a mess. It's a fine concept overall, but this particular one makes really little sense as to where the functions ended up.
Other than that, yep, that's pure ludditism. Win10 is somewhat of a confused mess, but that's because of millions and millions of people bitching about how Win8 was so bad, instead of just learning the one simple thing - don't fuck around with Modern UI when you're using a PC.
End result is that it's shitty on tablets, and it's the same old shit that we had since Win7 on desktop. But wheeeeeee, Start Menu!
When MS trolled people with "oh, you guys want Start back? Here's a Start button, it takes you right to the Start screen, you ain't getting the menu back, deal with it", they did the right thing and shouldn't have caved in.
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I quite like the stuff they're doing with 10. The new styling is a little more to my taste, for one. I'm looking forward to trying it on my tablet once it's released. I still don't know what I'll do with the multiple desktops bit, but linux people seem to universally agree that it's a good idea, so maybe I'll figure something out. Still, I'm mostly looking forward to Hololens, and rather impressed by the promise that any Universal app can just be a floating window placeable in your surroundings.
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Hololens is cool, I'm personally looking forward to the Raspberry Pi edition too. On a tablet, though, when it didn't keep bugging out, it was just confusing - the Start screen seems more obvious to me.
I could probably get used to it, but I just see no benefit moving from 8.1 so far.
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You can use the start screen. You're supposed to on a tablet. It's a setting, but the current version probably doesn't have continuum yet, because they didn't have that ready for //build, so it won't be automatic. They've made it pretty clear how they want it to end up.
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It has this weird tablet mode where you get no icons on the desktop and the Start menu takes up all of your screen.
Feels meh. Too desktop-y. I have a tablet, I want to use it like a tablet when I don't have to drop down to desktop, dammit!
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but the current version probably doesn't have continuum yet, because they didn't have that ready for //build
They intend to have several styles. I'm hoping tablet mode is more like my phone than what you describe, but I'm not confident it's done yet.
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Well, it's a TP, so let's give them those few months.
Win8 TP totally borked my PC, so things are getting better it seems...
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The new styling is a little more to my taste, for one.
I'm not sold on borderless windows, because muscle memory wants me to use the inside of the border for resizing, but you need to grip the outside.
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The new styling is a little more to my taste, for one
I strongly dislike the virtually nonexistent window borders. I work a lot with windows full of text, and with the new thin borders the left hand edge of that ends up all smashed against whatever is in the next window back. It's harder to read that way.
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Honestly, the only reason I'd switch from W8 to W10 is so I can find the shutdown button easier.
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Solution?
Easy: You make sure the list of items in the start meny is located in a file under
%USERPROFILE%
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disabling important security features makes me feel all sorts of queezy, mad, and sad
At my work,, everybody has UAC disabled by default. The guy who manages things like imaging new PCs doesn't like it, so it gets turned off for everyone
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The guy who manages things like imaging new PCs doesn't like it, so it gets turned off for everyone
First thing I'd do if I got a machine set up like that? Turn UAC back on. Seriously, it's one of the best additions to Windows in recent years, and since being refined in Windows 7, is about as annoying as dropping a penny on the street.
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I copied a file from a zip directly into a subdir under Program files, from an app that was installed as Administrator. I got a UAC prompt (and a little top-right-corner toaster), and the file failed to copy even though I put in admin credentials.
Indeed, just like notepad will complain when you try to edit a config file and refuses to save in Windows 7 ...
I keep my non-installer applications (thinks that need tinkering/config/unzip to install) in a different folder. Most are own or company software in any case. Since you are unzipping to install it's not like there are shortcuts or registry settings or anything. There a 3 second solution.
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Honestly, the only reason I'd switch from W8 to W10 is so I can find the shutdown button easier.
D then ALT F4
brings up this dialog on all versions of windows i'm aware of: (confirmed on 7, 8, 8.1 and 10. believe true of Vista and XP as well)
you can hit Enter to shut down or use the arrow keys to select reboot/logout/sleep/hibernate (if enabled) then hit enter
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Or press the power button on the case; on most machines, it defaults to shutdown.
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that also works.
Unless you've fiddled with your power settings so it doesn't (like i did with my previous desktop. the power button protruded from the case and was at knee height...)
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Interesting. I went from a Core 2 @ 2.13GHz to an OC i5-3590K, and saw a HUGE perf increase.
What about memory / motherboard / disk? Any of those can be huge for user experience.
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But the problem is: even when the change is actual, measurable, obvious improvement (like adding the Ribbon concept to Office), people like Mike_Hunt bitch and moan over it for years and years afterward.
But the measured improvement is most likely an aggregate and doesn't mean that some people won't be losers WRT the change. Dismissing these people as clueless is just you being a dick.
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Yes, Windows 10 is Windows 8 with the bullshit removed.
Exactly what I predicted would happen back in 2012. I also predicted smartwatches were the future in 2008 and now Apple agrees with me. I am so proud of myself.
No, I don't have proof, but it's true, shut up.
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The guy who manages things like imaging new PCs doesn't like it, so it gets turned off for everyone
What @RaceProUK said. Also it sounds like he shouldn't be doing things like that :P
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But the measured improvement is most likely an aggregate and doesn't mean that some people won't be losers WRT the change.
That's true, but...
Dismissing these people as clueless is just you being a dick.
Dude, he's still bitching about the Ribbon. The Ribbon from 2007. This guy's hopeless.
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Also it sounds like he shouldn't be doing things like that
This place is full of luddites. There's a developer who's proud that he still runs XP at home, and loudly espouses to anyone who'll listen that Microsoft did literally everything wrong with Windows 8
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There's a developer who's proud that he still runs XP at home
Just wait; one day he'll be hit by Sasser or Blaster or whatever ;)
Yes, I know MS patched those vulnerabilities
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It's the Whatever Worm! Hide your children! Flee!
(Or use any newer OS that has it all fixed…)
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But you can't tell me that a piece of software is doing something wrong unless you have some evidence to back it up.
So you're claiming a monopoly on that privilege?
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he quite happily explains what's wrong with things
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he quite happily explains what's wrong with things
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that at least one other person has that confused with evidence.