TIL (about the Dark Arts of HTML)
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when did that ever stop me from doing something fun, mostly ahrmless, and definetly a bad idea?
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Things I learned today while buying on Amazon: you can buy MicroSD cards without an adapter, but they're more expensive than buying them with an adapter. You can buy 4GB USB flash drives but they're more expensive than 16GB.
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ko djuno lo sezna'e
.i fau lo nu palci runmenli.i ko smaji sanli
.i ko tolxanka
.i ko krixa lu na nei li'u
.i ko krixa lu ko cpapro lo nu nei li'u
.i ko krixa lu xu le'i ro zilcmi cu selcmi ri li'u
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TIL jbojevysofkemsuzgugje'ake'eborkemfaipaltrusi'oke'ekemgubyseltru is a word in lojban.
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I'd say TIL, but I've actually known this for a long time: I'm sick of lojban.
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I am not going to add lojban encryption to pleegbot. Though I won't take preventative action if accalia accepts a PR to that end.
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I am not going to add lojban encryption to pleegbot. Though I won't take preventative action if accalia accepts a PR to that end.
that parsed wrong the first time.... I read that as you were going to add it and were not going to do anything about it if i accepted your PR.....
whoopsie.
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TIL: gzip in its default mode is not I/O bound, and although it doesn't hog the CPU like mad, decompression speed is abysmal on an HDD and an SSD all the same.
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TIL that Canadian coins are magnetic.
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TIL that Canadian coins are magnetic.
All of them? We have a mixture of ferromagnetic and non-ferromagnetic ones here.
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All of them? We have a mixture of ferromagnetic and non-ferromagnetic ones here.
All the ones I tried at least. Put my tablet down near some loose change, when I picked it up there was a nickel hanging off from where the keyboard attaches...
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TIL that Canadian coins are magnetic.
Testing on the coins I have to hand, it appears that British coins (silver and copper at least, I don't have any brass at the moment) didn't use to be magnetic, but switched to a magnetic alloy some time between 1992 and 1998. Or at least, 'silver' coins were non-magnetic in 1992 and magnetic in 2012, and 'copper' non-magnetic in 1975 and magnetic in 1998, but I suspect they changed the alloy of both kinds around the same time.
I have a few euros as well, left over from the last time I went on holiday abroad, and it seems that their copper and silver are magnetic and brass isn't. The €1 and €2 coins are both brass and part silver, and seem less strongly attracted to my magnet than the copper, so I'm guessing that the brass is the same non-magnetic alloy as the all-brass coins, and the silver part is magnetic. AFAIK they don't have any all-silver coins.
Edit: Accalia'd all over the place.
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They changed to plated steel alloy when it became more expensive to cast the coin than the coin was worth ;)
They may still cost more than their worth, even now, but the difference is markedly less.
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more expensive to cast the coin than the coin was worth
I thought that was by design, to make coin counterfeiters not go through the trouble.
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Like I said, the coins probably still cost more to make than their value; it's just now the difference means the Royal Mint isn't haemorrhaging money as such a high rate ;)
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You know what I mean
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They make money, but they want to make money from making money too. Since it costs money to make money, they need to be paid to make money otherwise they won't make any money.
Obviously.
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You made my head spin. I don't know if you made any money doing that, though.
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You made my head spin. I don't know if you made any money doing that, though.
http://www.royalmint.com/help/help/cost-of-making-coins
The cost of producing United Kingdom coins varies according to the specification of each denomination. The value of metal in each coin accounts for a large part of the total cost, but it is also necessary to take into consideration the broader costs of the manufacturing process. These vary according to the complexity of the coin.
The Royal Mint does not reveal exactly how much it costs to make specific coins as such information could be used to its competitors' advantage.
Two FOI requests got much the same answer:
- https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/how_much_does_it_cost_to_produce
- https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/cost_to_produce_one_penny
But in summary, it is suspected that
- the cost of raw materials
- the cost of processing that raw material into Legal Tender™ (wages, energy costs etc.)
for certain denominations (1p and 2p especially) exceeds the face value of that legal tender.
A 2014 US report into the cost (and options on how to reduce the cost) of producing coinage reported that it cost 1.7¢ to make a 1¢ coin (down from 2.4¢ in 2011), and there were no viable options to actually get that cost to below the face value of the coin.
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I just... made a joke about the way it was phrased... I underst...
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That's the second time I've seen Fillion forget his lines today...
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Why?
(Presuming the source of your confusion..) The <koff> tender for producing the UK's legal tender isn't automatically given to the Royal Mint - whenever it's up for renewal (no idea without looking when that is, or how often,) other companies can bid for the contract.
De La Rue being one contender that springs immediately to mind.
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no viable options to actually get that cost to below the face value of the coin.
yes there are!
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Explanation accepted.
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yes there are!
There's still a cost there. It's just the consumer who's paying in the shape of increased prices when everything that cost (possibly from $x.95 ->) $x.99 gets rounded up to $(x+1) when (5¢ and) 1¢ coins get scrapped.
I have no doubt CP Grey (not see that video yet) has covered that however.
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yes there are!
And destroy the classic British institution of the 99?…then again, it's not cost 99p for a while now, so…
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And destroy the classic British institution of the 99?
…then again, it's not cost 99p for a while now, so…
It cost 99p for a while, but it started out a lot cheaper than that, I don't know where the name comes from.
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It's just the consumer who's paying in the shape of increased prices when everything that cost (possibly from $x.95 ->) $x.99 gets rounded up to $(x+1) when (5¢ and) 1¢ coins get scrapped.
well
- that would affect cash transactions, not credit/debit
- yeah thanks to rounding you'd tend to lose a couple of pennies more often than you gained them (total or .93p)
- we've done it before, we had the half penny and got rid of it. and when we stopped making the half penny it had more buying power than today's dime.
- yep. covered in the video
:-D
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that would affect cash transactions, not credit/debit
I think what PJH means is things will no longer be priced at x.9[5-9]. When we lost the hapenny and farthing (in the UK - did you have farthings in the US?) things stopped being sold for prices with fractions of pennies.
But these days it's rather more possible to buy without cash, so the same wouldn't necessarily happen. I remember reading someone from some European country or other say somewhere that their smallest coin was 5*(smallest unit of money) and the total of everything you were buying just got rounded if you were paying in cash.
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But these days it's rather more possible to buy without cash, so the same wouldn't necessarily happen. I remember reading someone from some European country or other say somewhere that their smallest coin was 5*(smallest unit of money) and the total of everything you were buying just got rounded if you were paying in cash.
IIRC canada does this. they stopped minting pennies and round to the nearest 5c on cash transactions.
yup. i was right! http://www.mint.ca/store/mint/about-the-mint/phasing-out-the-penny-6900002#.VR1EYlXF9hE
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We don't have 1 and 2 penny equivalents any more for years (as in, not minted, you can still find some around though).
Most of the prices are still
\d+\.99
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We
Canada? Or whatever Euro country does this (if so which)? Or get-lost-you-nosy-bugger?
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Canada? Or whatever Euro country does this (if so which)?
You know what I love about Discourse? That it removes information from screens, constantly. I'd swear it was showing in usercards before.
In any case, Croatia.
Or get-lost-you-nosy-bugger?
Yes! Grr, angry! No, I can't be more creative, I just spent two hours swearing loudly, I'm out of colorful metaphors.
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No, I can't be more creative, I just spent two hours swearing loudly, I'm out of colorful metaphors.
Lemme guess, asterisk again it was, was it?
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The Netherlands had this in guilders - things were sold in cents, and digital transactions once they arose were in cents, but physical cents were discontinued before I was born. The smallest physical denomination was 5 cents. I read production costs once, I think 5 cents didn't quite break even but 10 cents did, possibly because that was a very small coin.
When the euro was introduced initially the 1 and 2 cent coins were used, but nowadays many places have returned to rounding to 5 cents for cash transactions, even though 1 and 2 cent coins are still legal tender. I believe one common reason for this is that the euro has 8 coins, but cash registers typically only have room for 6.
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Lemme guess, asterisk again it was, was it?
No, Asterisk is just annoying, mostly. Windows + improper procedures + ignorant users is infuriating.
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They make money, but they want to make money from making money too. Since it costs money to make money, they need to be paid to make money otherwise they won't make any money.
Obviously.
When you say "making money", do you mean in the informal sense, as in "turning a profit" or do you mean "making money" in the literal sense of "manufacturing notes and coins"?
INB4: "Yes".
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did you have farthings in the US?
Parts of Alaska are relatively far away from the continental US. Hawaii as whole is even farther away—do they qualify as 'farthings'?
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And destroy the classic British institution of the 99?
…then again, it's not cost 99p for a while now, so…
That's not why it's called a 99, though.
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That's not why it's called a 99, though.
No, I guess not. But it cost 99p when I was a wee hoglet, so it's kinda stuck with me since ;)
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But it cost 99p when I was a wee hoglet, so it's kinda stuck with me since
Same. I suspect that they kept it at 99p for longer than the ordinary progression of inflation.