I can create my topic. I can't close it.
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That would be a nice feature for topic creators. is this possible at the user level?
I closed the poll on "Its Friday..." but I would also like tho close out the topic.
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Closing topics is a barrier to reading.
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Yes...But its not Friday anymore. Its long-as-fuck Monday.Which requires a Friday poll to die a million Friday deaths.
It's like seeing a girlfriend after you dumped her.
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Or being reminded of her by eleventy-one separate small things.
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I always thought it was a river personally.
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Just like my Friday poll that keeps perking up the convo list...
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I believe that's what you call irony. Someone should tell @codinghorror to fix it.
Other forum systems actually separate this into permissions so that you can give users permission to close their own topics or close any topics. Some communities may not appreciate the whole 'users can close their own topics' though, especially if it's just a case of the owner deciding to take their ball away and go home.
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That would be a nice feature for topic creators. is this possible at the user level?
Mod/admin only it would appear...
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I always thought it was a river personally.
Hey! It's not considered nice to dump an ex in the river…
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TL4, Mod, and Admin.
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(thanks Riking) I need to get my trust level up to 4 then...
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Can't without an admin. TL3 doesn't have autopromote yet, because nobody has any idea how to programmatically figure out who posts quality content.
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People with many likes of course.
http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/the-official-likes-thread/1000
Fuck...
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Mmmm... Then I suggest a scatter gun method of selection against TL2 people. you know, to keep users guessing on why they were trusted or not. It can be like real life...
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@PJH what do the Trust Level 3 Preliminary Eligibility Metrics look like on here?
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@PJH what do the Trust Level 3 Preliminary Eligibility Metrics look like on here?
Given where they are, they look to be hard-coded rather than being able to tweak them in settings.
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Nice. So no TL3 for me due to my own willingness to experiment with flags.
Then again, is there a point to it anyway?
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Nice. So no TL3 for me due to my own willingness to experiment with flags.
Previous experimentation would suggest that figure is 'currently open flags', not 'total flags ever.'
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nobody has any idea how to programmatically figure out who posts quality content
You're joking, right?
Filed under: you must be new here
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Not that I have yet discerned...
You're joking, right?
Filed under: you must be new here
Level 4 - Elder
Level 4 doesn't appear to be (currently) automatically achievable. No one has actually seen one in real life. That cold fear that washes over you at night...Could there be a level 4 in the room? Pull those covers up and sleep with one eye open (just in case the legends are true)...
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Maybe we can just flag it away?
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That could be risky...Flagging things away didn't work too well for these folks.
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I don't know, here I get 'Access Denied (policy_denied)'
Looks pretty flagged away to me!
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We just updated with trust level 3 auto promotion plan:
https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-do-user-trust-levels-do/4924/6?u=codinghorror
Trust level 4 will be manual for a while longer, but TL3 will be in soon, it is the last major bit of V1.
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- of posts created in the last 100 days, must have read 25%
That could maybe be a problem for people who have chosen not to participate in The Official "Likes" Thread and/or the misandry flame war.
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You can guesstimate this by looking at the stats on the categories page, and dividing by 4. That is how much you would have to read every day for 100 days after achieving TL2. These are site level vars so can be tweaked.
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We just updated with trust level 3 auto promotion plan:
Can you confirm my experimental results..
- must not have received more than 5 flags
.. in that this is 'currently outstanding' rather than 'total received'?
And which flags apply? Of the current set:
- Off-Topic
- inappropriate
- Spam
- Notify OP
- Notify moderators
And is it when the flags are applied by the member, or if they're accepted (where available) by staff?
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Well, notify is technically not a flag. So those can be ignored.
Off topic, inappropriate, and spam, I guess we can ignore off topic and count only inappropriate and spam.
So we are saying, no more than 5 inappropriate and spam flags filed against your posts in the last 100 day period. This is ongoing work, proceeding this week.
(we could also make it so that we only count inappropriate and off topic flags that either reached the threshold or staff explicitly agreed with, provided our data model is correct and we know final state of all flags as we should.)
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Well, notify is technically not a flag. So those can be ignored.
It could be. From the wording of the option:
This post requires general moderator attenotion based on the FAQ, TOS, or for another reason not listed above.
So we are saying, no more than 5 inappropriate and spam flags filed against your posts in the last 100 day period.
Hmm...
I think I'd go with:
we could also make it so that we only count inappropriate and off topic flags that [...] staff explicitly agreed with
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Why is the 'trust level' mechanic based on achieving a number of metrics anyway? Is this because the Rep system on SO, arguably an attempt at the same thing, turned into Rep-whoring and generally proved to not work? What's with trying to automate the process of determining how important a user is to the community, as opposed to letting the community decide?
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Actually if anything the rep system at SO works too well, in that users are incentivized to police other people's attempts to get rep in order to demonstrate the value of their own rep. This is why SO trended heavily toward strictness in what they would allow in questions and answers.
And on the whole I would argue increased strictness over time is healthy and necessary.
This is not a rep system based on fact data and science, though, Discourse is a trust system of opinions and participation.
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For some people it is.
Filed under: instantrimshot.com
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Stack Overflow...
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So we are saying, no more than 5 inappropriate and spam flags filed against your posts in the last 100 day period.
Initially we were thinking of counting how many posts were flagged, not how many flags. On a site with a lot of users, it's possible for one post to get more than 5 flags. Someone had a bad day and wrote something that came across as offensive, now they're demoted to trust level 2 for 100 days.
I think we should be counting the number of flagged posts where staff explicitly agreed with the flags.
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Actually if anything the rep system at SO works too well, in that users are incentivized to police other people's attempts to get rep in order to demonstrate the value of their own rep.
[spoiler]I agree here. Reading some of the StackExchange sites can get annoying when people ask legitimate questions only to have mods close the topic because a comma was in the wrong place and they deemed it to have made the question be too broad.
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On a site with a lot of users, it's possible for one post to get more than 5 flags. Someone had a bad day and wrote something that came across as offensive, now they're demoted to trust level 2 for 100 days.
Yes, because around here, people will do stuff just to do it, though the mods generally seem on the up and up.
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Yes, because around here, people will do stuff just to do it, though the mods generally seem on the up and up.
Like me, flagging myself to test stuff. Multiple times.
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Actually if anything the rep system at SO works too well, in that users are incentivized to police other people's attempts to get rep in order to demonstrate the value of their own rep.
That's not working too well, that's unexpected backfire.
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Programmers are pretty good at policing each other on strictness and correctness.
Filed under: isn't that what you do here?
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We generally can't agree on anything as being correct.
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My experience with Stack Overflow:
18 questions asked.
4 without any answers attempted
3 with "answers" but nothing useful enough to accept
3 self-answered
= 44% answer rate (8/18)From my POV, StackOverflow has failed to incentivise helping people like me. But there's a billion "[How][1] [do][2] [I][3] [regex][4]" questions to feed that rep mill!
I give up, I broke links. Just search for "remove special characters string" and observe over 2k results.
[1]: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24438714/remove-spaces-and-special-characters-from-string
[2]: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19521758/removing-special-characters-from-string?rq=1
[3]: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18713337/remove-every-special-character-except-hyphen?rq=1
[4]: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23118731/remove-all-special-characters-from-a-string-not-including-non-latin-characters?rq=1
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Typical troubleshooting workflow:
- Have problem at work
- Search google
- First link goes to stackoverflow
- The top rated answer is obviously incorrect
- So is the answer that was accepted
- The correct answer is ranked 3rd or lower
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I generally find that Stack Overflow's top answer tends to be correct for me, although there's often important supplemental information in the comments attached to that answer and in other high rated answers. I imagine your success rate depends on how popular the tool for which you're seeking help is.
In my experience, Stack Overflow is leaps and bounds ahead of the sources of information that came before.
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I work with java stuff (Jboss / Seam) and whenever I look up something related to a problem with those stinkers, someone is doing something with annotations and shit that I totally have never used or seen. And then they use buzzwords that mean nothing to me. This isn't really limited to SO, however. I think it's just the nature of the beast.
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And on the whole I would argue increased strictness over time is healthy and necessary.
Not for a forum that's supposed to be a relatively open discussion. Some overzealous forum moderators can flat out ruin/kill a community. Seen it time and time again.
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I seem to recall we had overzealous moderation during the early days of moving to DC. Fortunately that appears to have mostly stopped now.