Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...
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Huh, I never thought of this. What a dick move on EU's part.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Huh, I never thought of this. What a dick move on EU's part.
Not a dick move, more like what you get when you absolutely want the default status of a non-EU member without any deal.
Filed under: have your tea and drink it too.
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This isn't the first time Brussels bureaucrats have been messing up the .eu TLD:
IOW, don't use a .eu domain for anything important - you can never know when they'll change the rules and remove it from you.
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@topspin said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Huh, I never thought of this. What a dick move on EU's part.
Not a dick move, more like what you get when you absolutely want the default status of a non-EU member without any deal.
You can be absolutely right in legal sense and still be a dick.
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@ender oh, and : the Cyrillic ban was announced in June, the Brexit thing is from March. So it is indeed the first time they've messed with it.
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@topspin said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Not a dick move, more like what you get when you absolutely want the default status of a non-EU member without any deal.
It's funny because they're (apparently) screwing their own citizens though.
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@boomzilla for daring to do business in soon-to-be-not-EU. Fits their M.O. perfectly.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@topspin said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Huh, I never thought of this. What a dick move on EU's part.
Not a dick move, more like what you get when you absolutely want the default status of a non-EU member without any deal.
You can be absolutely right in legal sense and still be a dick.
No, it's simply reverting back to "no deal" status. Like, for example, the EU will instantly become a no-fly zone for any British aircraft after a Hard Brexit.
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@Rhywden that's not reverting to no deal status, that's reverting to pre-aviation era. Domains are one thing, but banning aircrafts is just insane. It would totally destroy the economy and the lives of millions of immigrants.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden that's not reverting to no deal status, that's reverting to pre-aviation era. Domains are one thing, but banning aircrafts is just insane. It would totally destroy the economy and the lives of millions of immigrants.
It's a legal necessity, actually. Because otherwise all other countries could argue that banning their aircraft for being flying travesties is illegal.
That's the way it works: You are only allowed to fly over other countries if you have signed the proper treaties. Which usually involve a lot of certifications, reciprocal fly-over rights, landing rights, starting rights, who gets which flight routes at which time and a fucking metric ton of other stuff.
It's similar to the reason why "Oh, we'll simply keep the borders open!" doesn't work as a solution for the Irish Border problem - because then every other nation would be allowed to invoke the WTO's most favoured nation clause and demand an open border for themselves as well.
International law is complicated and based on a lot of treaties. A Hard Brexit simply burns a number of those treaties to the ground - and for quite a while there will be nothing to replace them. Because such treaties take time - for instance, certification of airplanes needs a proper certification agency. The UK does not have one.
Another example: They'll crash out of EURATOM. This will spell trouble for their nuclear reactors but will primarily be a huge problem for hospitals. Because a number of diagnostic instruments rely on radioisotopes like Tc-99. Not being a member of EURATOM and not having a proper treaty and certification means that they won't be able to import this isotope - they themselves don't have a reactor capable of producing it (there are only five of those in the world, 2 being in continental Europe) and it only has a half-life of 6 hours. So getting it from somewhere else also isn't really feasible.
That's what "no deal" means. It actually means "No fucking metric-shit-ton of a whole lot of important deals". THAT is why no one sane wants a no-deal-Brexit.
Or why did you think that this is such a big deal? Again, this is the actual reason why "no deal" is such a ghastly perspective.
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@Rhywden is the WTO really responsible for immigration? And as for the isotope stuff I'll bet the US could hook them up.
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@pie_flavor said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden is the WTO really responsible for immigration? And as for the isotope stuff I'll bet the US could hook them up.
Not immigration. Think import/export of goods.
And you did read about this really short half-life?
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@Rhywden If NAFTA worked then there's got to be a way. And no I did not.
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@pie_flavor said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden If NAFTA worked then there's got to be a way. And no I did not.
And how long did it take for NAFTA to be signed?
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@Rhywden Six years, why?
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
That's what "no deal" means. It actually means "No fucking metric-shit-ton of a whole lot of important deals". THAT is why no one sane wants a no-deal-Brexit.
That's also why a literal hard Brexit will never happen.
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@pie_flavor said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden Six years, why?
That's actually what I'm pointing out here: Such treaties take time. The Brits already have a deal on the table which they don't like (shocker!) but which would avoid this whole problem.
But if they don't sign this deal they'll be out on their ears by end of March. And only at that point can they begin to negotiate NAFTA-like deals - the duration of such negotations, as you yourself just stated, is usually measured in years.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
That's what "no deal" means. It actually means "No fucking metric-shit-ton of a whole lot of important deals". THAT is why no one sane wants a no-deal-Brexit.
That's also why a literal hard Brexit will never happen.
There are only two real options on the table right now, given how dysfunction their government is. Did you look at some of the recent proposals? Those guys still have not realized that they're not calling the shots - they're still firmly rooted in cakeism.
As a result: Either the parliament calls the whole thing off (which they have to vote on) or Hard Brexit. Anything else is a pipedream at this point.
I mean, they seriously proposed to vote on changing the deal regarding the backstop without consulting the EU first! That's like wanting to buy a car, the dealer tells you that 25,000€ is the lowest he can go and then you go and demand the car for 12,000€ because he wants to sell cars, after all.
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
As a result: Either the parliament calls the whole thing off (which they have to vote on) or Hard Brexit.
Or postpone. Always remember that they can postpone.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
As a result: Either the parliament calls the whole thing off (which they have to vote on) or Hard Brexit.
Or postpone. Always remember that they can postpone.
Not unilaterally. All EU states have to agree on an extension unanimously - i.e. everyone has a right of veto.
Plus, pretty much everyone with some say has already stated that they'll only extend for a good reason - which is either a second referendum or dissolution of the government and elections. They will not grant an extension for extension's sake - they'll want a concrete and clear goal for an extension.
Plus, there's the matter of the European elections in June - an extension would only be relatively simple up to that point.
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@Rhywden we'll see.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden we'll see.
Well, you may know that the UK has this thing of allowing to bet on any outcome? Currently the odds for a Hard Brexit are quite high if those guys are to be believed. And as they have literally staked their money on it...
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The unholy mess that is the current state of Brexit is why the first thing through my head when I saw the news about the 2016 vote was "Fuck. Time to get cracking on that French naturalisation."
I was convinced, within microseconds, that it would degrade into an unholy mess, but I foresaw neither the details (obviously) nor the depths of moronity to which they would descend along the way.
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
A Hard Brexit simply burns a number of those treaties to the ground - and for quite a while there will be nothing to replace them. Because such treaties take time - for instance, certification of airplanes needs a proper certification agency. The UK does not have one.
Pedantry: it burns the UK's participation in those treaties to the ground. (Some of them are between multiple countries all at once.) And of course some of the multi-participant treaties will be placed onto shaky ground by such at thing, but there are others that will manage to survive intact apart from the lack of the UK as participant.
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@Steve_The_Cynic The whole circlejerk in parliament around the Irish backstop and wanting May to drop it can only be answered with an epic facepalm.
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@PleegWat There are also good arguments, by the way, for us (i.e. EU) not even wanting the UK back. Because we don't really need another unstable partner, we've got already enough on our plate with Orban and those idiots in Italy.
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@Rhywden Ireland absolutely definitely certainly doesn't want a Northern Ireland conflict again. And they've got veto power.
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Right now, I'm convinced that the worst thing about EU is how it's taken over a huge chunk of foreign diplomacy such that all the treaties are between EU and the rest of the world, and not between EU members directly and the rest of the world. Whatever happens, it would be much less horrible if all those treaties weren't inherently tied to EU membership.
I know it's all by design, but still.
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@PleegWat Well, let's see if they indeed pass this moronic amendment.
The EU's refusal to renegotiate that point is already being written.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Right now, I'm convinced that the worst thing about EU is how it's taken over a huge chunk of foreign diplomacy such that all the treaties are between EU and the rest of the world, and not between EU members directly and the rest of the world. Whatever happens, it would be much less horrible if all those treaties weren't inherently tied to EU membership.
I know it's all by design, but still.
If you didn't like it you should not have joined. What the EU was and is supposed to be has always been very clear.
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@Rhywden nope. It changed quite significantly over the years. And since we live in democracy, my opinion doesn't matter.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden nope. It changed quite significantly over the years. And since we live in democracy, my opinion doesn't matter.
Riiiiight. I see that "feels" trump reality once again.
The last change regarding foreign policy was 1992.
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@Rhywden Isn't foreign policy a federal matter in the US as well?
If there's one thing that's an obvious federal matter it's foreign policy. Foreign policy and defence. Defence and foreign policy. If there's two things...
I'll come in again.
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden nope. It changed quite significantly over the years. And since we live in democracy, my opinion doesn't matter.
Riiiiight. I see that "feels" trump reality once again.
U wot m8?
The last change regarding foreign policy was 1992.
Treaty of Lisbon anyone?
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Treaty of Lisbon anyone?
That one was not about primarily about a new foreign policy. Not to mention that it's somewhat idiotic to think that e.g. Poland can get better deals than the EU as a whole.
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@PleegWat said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden Isn't foreign policy a federal matter in the US as well?
Yes, but the difference is, they've made an amendment in 1865 that you can't leave the Union.
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Treaty of Lisbon anyone?
That one was not about foreign policy.
No, it's about internal policy. Of tighter integration and less autonomy. Which is a big change from the initial aim of just making the movement of people, goods and capital between member states easier.
Not to mention that it's somewhat idiotic to think that e.g. Poland can get better deals than the EU as a whole.
What about UK? And I didn't say that there should be no joint negotiations. Just that the text of the treaties should be such that the individual (all at once) member states are the sides, not EU itself. This way, everything would stay the same for member countries, but Brexit wouldn't sign UK out of them.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Treaty of Lisbon anyone?
That one was not about foreign policy.
No, it's about internal policy. Of tighter integration and less autonomy. Which is a big change from the initial aim of just making the movement of people, goods and capital between member states easier.
Actually, Lisboa was about the complete opposite. And again, the EU (and its predecessors) were never thought as a mere trade union. It's right in the founding preamble.
The latter is what quite a number of Brexiteers also don't quite grasp.
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
And again, the EU (and its predecessors) were never thought as a mere trade union.
Sure, the European Coal and Steel Community was so much more than a mere trade union.
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Did you look at some of the recent proposals? Those guys still have not realized that they're not calling the shots - they're still firmly rooted in cakeism.
There was a good article in my local newspaper last week about the people behind this whole debacle, and their motivations. These, according to the article, boil down to the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg (to name just the most prominent one) having been brought up in environment in which the previous generation learned the lesson that Britain could take on the world (by winning the Second World War), but their generation having no achievements of the sort. However, they did get raised on that mentality, so they see Brexit as their opportunity to do the same — and nothing is going to change their minds on that because they simply know they’re in the right. (The lesson learned by the rest of Western Europe during that previous generation is, of course, quite different: if someone tries to take on the world, everybody suffers, so it’s better to work together for mutual benefit.)
I’ve been saying for a couple of decades that the UK has this moat that lets it think it’s somehow separate from the rest of Europe.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
And again, the EU (and its predecessors) were never thought as a mere trade union.
Sure, the European Coal and Steel Community was so much more than a mere trade union.
DETERMINED to lay the foundations of an ever-closer union among the peoples of Europe,
Repeated in Article 2.
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
The last change regarding foreign policy was 1992.
Eh?
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/trade-policy/trade-agreements/
Japan - a Free Trade Agreement (FTA) to enter into force on 1 February 2019; negotiating directives were adopted in 2012 and deal was ratified end of 2018
Singapore - split FTA pending adoption in the Council; negotiating directives were adopted under ASEAN, the Association of South East Asian Nations, in 2007
Vietnam - split FTA in pre-signature phase, with entry into force expected in 2019; negotiating directives were adopted under ASEAN in 2007
Mexico - text for the modernisation of the EU-Mexico Global Agreement to be finalised by end of 2018; negotiating directives were adopted in 1999
MERCOSUR - negotiations are ongoing on a trade agreement, part of the Association Agreement, with the South American trade bloc of Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay; negotiating directives were adopted in 1999
Chile - negotiations to modernise the existing FTA are ongoing; negotiating directives were adopted in 2017
Australia and New Zealand - FTA negotiations are ongoing; negotiating directives were adopted in 2018
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@boomzilla By that I meant "a change to the way foreign policy is enacted".
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@Gurth The best idea I heard last week was that Ireland should leave the EU as well and join the UK.
Presto, solved border problem!
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Not to mention that it's somewhat idiotic to think that e.g. Poland can get better deals than the EU as a whole.
We have a name for the sort of idiot who believes that: Boris Johnson.
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gurth The best idea I heard last week was that Ireland should leave the EU as well and join the UK.
Presto, solved border problem!
That's one of two solutions. The other is NI dropping out of the UK.
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@PleegWat said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gurth The best idea I heard last week was that Ireland should leave the EU as well and join the UK.
Presto, solved border problem!
That's one of two solutions. The other is NI dropping out of the UK.
Yeah, just about as likely.
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@PleegWat said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gurth The best idea I heard last week was that Ireland should leave the EU as well and join the UK.
Presto, solved border problem!
That's one of two solutions. The other is NI dropping out of the UK.
Which is a total red line to the junior partner in the coalition that is the UK government. (They don't have any ministers, but without them the government will lose a confidence vote.) Indeed, it's one of the very few red lines that they have: the DUP categorically refuses to vote in favour of any solution that separates NI from the rest of the UK in any form. They are totally predictable in this too, as it is their party policy for pretty much as many years as the party has existed.