Microsoft seems desperate
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Microsoft tests ‘warning’ Windows 10 users not to install Chrome or Firefox
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Yet another annoying prompt
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Have you ever been to google or youtube in anything other than chrome?
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@Magus said in Microsoft seems desperate:
Have you ever been to google or youtube in anything other than chrome?
Yes. I use edge on my work laptop because raisins (although I've never been to YT on it). I know what browsers are available. Neither MS nor Google are going to change my decision of which to use with their annoying "but our browser is better" messages.
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@Magus said in Microsoft seems desperate:
Have you ever been to google or youtube in anything other than chrome?
Google and YouTube work just fine with Palemoon. Never had a problem, other than having to fiddle around a bit to get the "dark theme" working on YouTube.
Edge is so completely useless I am amazed that it even exists. As bad as Internet Explorer is, its still better than Edge.
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@El_Heffe said in Microsoft seems desperate:
As bad as Internet Explorer is, its still better than Edge.
That's an amazing achievement
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@TimeBandit I'd dispute it.
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The times I have used Edge, it doesn't seem too bad really. What are your issues? FWIW, I use Firefox, I use just a couple of extensions (uBlock Origin? It has been "set and forget" for me, can't remember which I use; and maybe a couple of othe extensions but the only one I care about is the adblocker). I don't do web development (and I hope I never will have to).
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@sockpuppet7 said in Microsoft seems desperate:
Microsoft tests ‘warning’ Windows 10 users not to install Chrome or Firefox
Yet another annoying prompt
Has the IE anti-monopoly lawsuit settlement expired or something? Shouldn't they encourage alternative browsers instead of discouraging them?
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@TimeBandit They do have some study that shows it blocks more malware, thus "safer". As for faster, I'm guessing you could tweak the test parameters to show any browser is faster than any other browser.
The real problem with Edge is that Microsoft released it a FULL YEAR before it was ready to be released to the public, when it was a buggy piece of shit. Now everybody just thinks it's a buggy piece of shit. Teams has the same issue.
The brilliance of "release early, release often!" It should actually read, "release your broken unfinished garbage, everybody hates your product".
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@blakeyrat said in Microsoft seems desperate:
The brilliance of "release early, release often!" It should actually read, "release your broken unfinished garbage, everybody hates your product".
Hey! We resemble that remark!
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@blakeyrat said in Microsoft seems desperate:
They do have some study that shows it blocks more malware, thus "safer"
Microsoft paid for a study that showed Edge is safer.
Color me surprised
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@TimeBandit Meh. I mean at least it's based on something. And Microsoft does own one of the best anti-virus products, so it's not outside the realm of possibility.
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@admiral_p said in Microsoft seems desperate:
The times I have used Edge, it doesn't seem too bad really. What are your issues? FWIW, I use Firefox, I use just a couple of extensions (uBlock Origin? It has been "set and forget" for me, can't remember which I use; and maybe a couple of othe extensions but the only one I care about is the adblocker). I don't do web development (and I hope I never will have to).
I use it on a daily basis and the instances where a page doesn't work are rare. Usually due to some asshat developing for Chrome only.
How easily people forget about IE6 and its stranglehold, now they're willingly submitting to Chrome.
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@Rhywden At least when Microsoft had a monopoly in this space the worst thing they did with it was "rolled out updates kind of slowly". Google's been far more disruptive and controlling.
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@El_Heffe said in Microsoft seems desperate:
Google and YouTube work just fine with Palemoon. Never had a problem, other than having to fiddle around a bit to get the "dark theme" working on YouTube.
I think what he was referring to is
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@El_Heffe said in Microsoft seems desperate:
As bad as Internet Explorer is, its still better than Edge.
I think it's more or less reached release state now, from what I've seen. This obviously wasn't the case when it was first...released.
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@Magus said in Microsoft seems desperate:
Have you ever been to google or youtube in anything other than chrome?
Ugh...even in Chrome you still get youtube spamming you about trying premium or whatever service they're pushing that week.
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@boomzilla said in Microsoft seems desperate:
@Magus said in Microsoft seems desperate:
Have you ever been to google or youtube in anything other than chrome?
Ugh...even in Chrome you still get youtube spamming you about trying premium or whatever service they're pushing that week.
Yeah, I'm sick of seeing them every time I open the YouTube application on my phone. For a while they were full screen pop-up ads. >:(
On my desktop the blockers do a good job of preventing them, thankfully.
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@admiral_p said in Microsoft seems desperate:
The times I have used Edge, it doesn't seem too bad really. What are your issues?
Why does Microsoft Edge open some local websites, but not others, where the domain name is routed to 127.0.0.1 in hosts file
Like a lot of programmers, I test sites locally. I use the hosts file to map domain names to my local ip (127.0.0.1). I use qualified domain names, usually with a "d" subdomain (for "development"...
Suggested solutions that used to work but don't anymore:
- changing Edge configuration in about:flags
- running official and documented Powershell incantations
- removing problematic sites from Trusted Sites list
Solutions that do work:
- running a proxy like Fiddler
(FWIW, my dev VMs use the 192.168/16 IP range, not loopback, but the same shitty behaviour happens.)
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I bought a touch screen laptop. Biggest surprise: Chrome and to lesser extent Firefox are kind of shit on touchscreen, while Edge is fantastic.
But then when I use Edge, google keeps pestering me to switch to Chrome. You just can't win.
I wish US and/or EU governments would slap both of these corps a bit, this is becoming ridiculous.
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@anonymous234 said in Microsoft seems desperate:
@El_Heffe said in Microsoft seems desperate:
Google and YouTube work just fine with Palemoon. Never had a problem, other than having to fiddle around a bit to get the "dark theme" working on YouTube.
I think what he was referring to is
I didn't know the Acid3 test received a new design...
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@Magus said in Microsoft seems desperate:
Have you ever been to google or youtube in anything other than chrome?
Has Google Chrome ever popped up while you were installing Firefox to say that you're a dumb idiot?
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@boomzilla said in Microsoft seems desperate:
@Magus said in Microsoft seems desperate:
Have you ever been to google or youtube in anything other than chrome?
Ugh...even in Chrome you still get youtube spamming you about trying premium or whatever service they're pushing that week.
I think they're calling it RedTube now.
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@ben_lubar said in Microsoft seems desperate:
I think they're calling it RedTube now.
I'm still calling it "Fuck off Google"
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@ben_lubar On their platform, can you even?
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@TimeBandit said in Microsoft seems desperate:
@ben_lubar said in Microsoft seems desperate:
I think they're calling it RedTube now.
I'm still calling it "Fuck off Google"
I think you might be able to find a video with a title similar to that on there.
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@Magus said in Microsoft seems desperate:
@ben_lubar On their platform, can you even?
I'm pretty sure there are Android apps for Firefox and Edge, and I've never had my Chromebook intervene when I tried to install an Android app.
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@JBert said in Microsoft seems desperate:
@anonymous234 said in Microsoft seems desperate:
@El_Heffe said in Microsoft seems desperate:
Google and YouTube work just fine with Palemoon. Never had a problem, other than having to fiddle around a bit to get the "dark theme" working on YouTube.
I think what he was referring to is
I didn't know the Acid3 test received a new design...
I'm perfectly fine with a website showing content controlled by the owner of that website.
Here's another example:
However, when your software interrupts other software's installers to display an ad for your competing product, that's not normal advertising. That's malice.
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@Magus said in Microsoft seems desperate:
@ben_lubar On their platform, can you even?
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@Gąska said in Microsoft seems desperate:
Has the IE anti-monopoly lawsuit settlement expired or something? Shouldn't they encourage alternative browsers instead of discouraging them?
Due to the large mobile market, Microsoft no longer has a quasi-monopoly. The browser market shares are also somewhat balanced. Therefore, it's questionable whether they can still be the target of antitrust lawsuits - their own lawyers certainly seem to be confident that the threat is gone.
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@Parody said in Microsoft seems desperate:
YouTube application
Don't get me started again. I already have enough material for another rant. I'm now running the version that came with Android 8.0 and not planning to ever upgrade again.
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@TimeBandit K, so a platform that is in a completely different category does it. You so smart!
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@cartman82 Edge isn't bad at everything. Apparently it has the most accurate CSS renderer too (not that that matters really).
If Microsoft released it as a new browser today, it might even be well-received. It just went so long being shit that its name is in the gutter and it's going to be a long crawl to get out of the gutter and MS will likely rebrand it 27 times before that happens anyway.
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@ben_lubar said in Microsoft seems desperate:
I'm pretty sure there are Android apps for Firefox and Edge
And Firefox for Android is surprisingly good. Plus, it definitely doesn't unnecessarily send shit to Google and supports adblockers.
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@blakeyrat said in Microsoft seems desperate:
@cartman82 Edge isn't bad at everything. Apparently it has the most accurate CSS renderer too (not that that matters really).
If Microsoft released it as a new browser today, it might even be well-received. It just went so long being shit that its name is in the gutter and it's going to be a long crawl to get out of the gutter and MS will likely rebrand it 27 times before that happens anyway.
Time to rebrand. We already have a Microsoft Surface, so get ready for...
Microsoft Vertex!
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@Magus said in Microsoft seems desperate:
@TimeBandit K, so a platform that is in a completely different category does it. You so smart!
The Google Play store is available on Google phones, Google laptops, and Google desktop PCs.
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@boomzilla said in Microsoft seems desperate:
@Magus said in Microsoft seems desperate:
Have you ever been to google or youtube in anything other than chrome?
Ugh...even in Chrome you still get youtube spamming you about trying premium or whatever service they're pushing that week.
It's an old marketing strategy
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@blakeyrat said in Microsoft seems desperate:
and MS will likely rebrand it 27 times before that happens anyway.
Edge
Edge 365
Azure Edge
Azure Edge .NET
Edge Live
Edge Live .NET
Xbox Web
Xbox Live Web
Xbox Live Web with Bing
Groove Web
Xbox Groove Web
Edge 365 (they like to go back to old names sometimes)
Cortana web (by this point I estimate they'll be pushing it on everything)
Cortana web 365
Cortana X-plore 2000!
git linux docker container node python kubernetes html5 ubuntu (a last ditch effort to appeal to the open source crowd)
Internet Explorer (because fuck it)
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@dfdub said in Microsoft seems desperate:
@ben_lubar said in Microsoft seems desperate:
I'm pretty sure there are Android apps for Firefox and Edge
And Firefox for Android is surprisingly good. Plus, it definitely doesn't unnecessarily send shit to Google and supports adblockers.
But Google serves it a "basic HTML from 2006" version of search. Of course, you can simply change the user agent to iOS Safari, but then you get those stupid AMP pages that you can't scroll through. But that's just a minor inconvenience compared to ADS EVERYWHERE.
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@blakeyrat said in Microsoft seems desperate:
If Microsoft released it as a new browser today, it might even be well-received.
As long as they release it through a subsidiary and no one ever mentions in any promotional materials and press interviews that it's Microsoft's browser.
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@anonymous234 said in Microsoft seems desperate:
@blakeyrat said in Microsoft seems desperate:
and MS will likely rebrand it 27 times before that happens anyway.
Edge
Edge 365
Azure Edge
Azure Edge .NET
Edge Live
Edge Live .NET
Xbox Web
Xbox Live Web
Xbox Live Web with Bing
Groove Web
Xbox Groove Web
Edge 365 (they like to go back to old names sometimes)
Cortana web (by this point I estimate they'll be pushing it on everything)
Cortana web 365
Cortana X-plore 2000!
git linux docker container node python kubernetes html5 ubuntu (a last ditch effort to appeal to the open source crowd)
Internet Explorer (because fuck it)You forgot Azure Explorer
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@JBert said in Microsoft seems desperate:
You forgot Azure Explorer
Please, no. I already get sick of telling people to open Windows Explorer in order to find a file or locate a network share or whatever, and then having to explain the difference when they open Internet Explorer instead. No more (.+) Explorer.
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@ben_lubar said in Microsoft seems desperate:
Google phones, Google laptops, and Google desktop PCs.
Do not want.
@blakeyrat said in Microsoft seems desperate:
The real problem with Edge is that Microsoft released it a FULL YEAR before it was ready to be released to the public, when it was a buggy piece of shit. Now everybody just thinks it's a buggy piece of shit. Teams has the same issue.
They did the same thing with Windows Phone 10. They never learn. Never.
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@MrL Windows Phone was already practically dead by the time 10 even came out.
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@Rhywden said in Microsoft seems desperate:
@admiral_p said in Microsoft seems desperate:
The times I have used Edge, it doesn't seem too bad really. What are your issues? FWIW, I use Firefox, I use just a couple of extensions (uBlock Origin? It has been "set and forget" for me, can't remember which I use; and maybe a couple of othe extensions but the only one I care about is the adblocker). I don't do web development (and I hope I never will have to).
I use it on a daily basis and the instances where a page doesn't work are rare. Usually due to some asshat developing for Chrome only.
How easily people forget about IE6 and its stranglehold, now they're willingly submitting to Chrome.
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@ben_lubar said in Microsoft seems desperate:
@Magus said in Microsoft seems desperate:
@TimeBandit K, so a platform that is in a completely different category does it. You so smart!
The Google Play store is available on Google phones, Google laptops, and Google desktop PCs.
Eh, if they can support a dual-boot installation without requiring 50 partitions I might try it again. As I last tried it some time ago, all I really remember was Windows trying to mount all of them and complaining that they don't have Windows-able filesystems on them.
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@mott555 said in Microsoft seems desperate:
@JBert said in Microsoft seems desperate:
You forgot Azure Explorer
Please, no. I already get sick of telling people to open Windows Explorer in order to find a file or locate a network share or whatever, and then having to explain the difference when they open Internet Explorer instead. No more (.+) Explorer.
This problem is somewhat less prominent here in Dutchland where Internet Explorer is Internet Explorer but Windows Explorer has been translated literally to Verkenner.
