You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...
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You know VoIP introduction has been a success when
- The greeting became "I hear you do you hear me?"
- You have to restart the phone app once a day
- Every third call the window does not paint and you have to guess where the "receive" button is
Disregarding that since they removed desk phones
- The noise level has gone down significantly in our office
- I am able to transfer calls with confidence
- I can see who is available before calling
- Oh and the list of people is right there on the screen instead of on a tiny out-of-date printout
Life is
goodbetter now.
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@gleemonk said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
The greeting became "I hear you do you hear me?"
A.k.a. the Skype-greeting. Best thing about it is that you can have several minutes worth of conversation with just the greeting. Makes dealing with random relatives calling much easier.
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@gleemonk said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
The greeting became "I hear you do you hear me?"
NAT me baby one more time?
@gleemonk said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
You have to restart the phone app once a day
Every third call the window does not paint and you have to guess where the "receive" button isI used some shitty clients, but I never saw this, the fuck are you using?
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@gleemonk said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
"I hear you do you hear me?"
At one point when I was trying to call my sister to do sceenshare tech support, Skype would let me hear her but not her hear me, and Hangouts would let her hear me but not me hear her. If you tried to run both at the same time then they interfered with each other in such a way that it was still a one-way communication. Multiple system restarts from us both, microphone/speaker selection tweaks in Hangouts/Skype, etc to no avail. Tried again another day and there were no issues...
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@Onyx said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
I used some shitty clients, but I never saw this, the fuck are you using?
Hmm, if I google the name of the binary, I get mostly Chinese and Russian results.
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@gleemonk wow, I'm intrigued now, if you feel like it's too doxxy to post it I'd appreciate the name in a PM or something, because I thought I tried everything by now, but something that doesn't seem like it's well known outside China and Russia? That's the depth I never followed a rabbit to.
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We're about to switch to a VoIP soft-phone system. It has been decided that us devs don't need phones so I won't be getting one.
On the one hand, I'm happy that I won't ever have to answer the phone again ("Why the hell does nobody pick this up and what the fuck do you want anyway?! Uh... I mean good afternoon, $COMPANY, how may I help you?"). On the other hand I occasionally do have to call outside and with no actual physical phones I'm essentially going to have to kick somebody off their computer the next time I need to place a call.
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@Onyx said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
I used some shitty clients, but I never saw this, the fuck are you using?
Sounds like Skype to me. I had several weeks where the Skype UI became completely unusable after starting a call. You could still hear and see each other, but none of the UI responded to any keyboard or mouse input, and the only way I could terminate a call was to kill Skype in the Task Manager.
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@Deadfast said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
On the other hand I occasionally do have to call outside and with no actual physical phones I'm essentially going to have to kick somebody off their computer the next time I need to place a call.
Depending on the setup, I see no reason why you couldn't have an app installed on your phone. Hell, unless they firewall it to hell / MAC filter it, Android has a built-in SIP client in the stock dialer these days.
Of course, this is me buttuming it's SIP, not some cockamaney proprietary format...
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@Onyx sorry I checked and it's a local shop building this thing. I won't name the binary on this site even in private.
It seems the combination of acronyms in the binary name confuses Google.
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@gleemonk Fair enough.
It's like a scab at this point, when I hear about such a fuckup I just have to poke at it :P
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@Onyx said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
NAT me baby one more time?
From memory, IAX doesn't have that problem
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@TimeBandit said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
@Onyx said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
NAT me baby one more time?
From memory, IAX doesn't have that problem
True. But almost no one uses it. So.
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@Deadfast said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
We're about to switch to a VoIP soft-phone system. It has been decided that us devs don't need phones so I won't be getting one.
On the one hand, I'm happy that I won't ever have to answer the phone again ("Why the hell does nobody pick this up and what the fuck do you want anyway?! Uh... I mean good afternoon, $COMPANY, how may I help you?"). On the other hand I occasionally do have to call outside and with no actual physical phones I'm essentially going to have to kick somebody off their computer the next time I need to place a call.
My employer happens to outsource the VoIP and phone switching software to some third-party. They have an extra service where you can setup a call in their app and then wait a second or so when they setup a classic phone call between the remote party and your smartphone. Just take the call from the smartphone and you're connected while the call appears to come from your company number on the remote end.
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@Onyx said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
True. But almost no one uses it. So.
I was when working with Asterisk.
I even made my own Softphone because every other IAX phone at that time was crappy
FileUnder: the best motivation for a programmer is an itch.
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@TimeBandit said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
I even made my own Softphone because every other IAX phone at that time was crappy
What is even there? Like, Zoiper used to have IAX in version 3, not sure about 5 (I also think they did a WinAmp and skipped 4?) and... SFLPhone maybe, which is Linux only, is now called Ring and has turned into absolute shit?
I'm pretty sure there was at least one more but fuck if I can remember the name.
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@Onyx said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
I'm pretty sure there was at least one more but fuck if I can remember the name.
Telling you the name is doxxy as hell.
It was Windows only, but it worked REALLY well
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@TimeBandit said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
Telling you the name is doxxy as hell.
I mean one of the more known ones, pretty sure there was at least one more that supported IAX and it worked on Linux as well, so...
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@Onyx said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
I mean one of the more known ones
Kiax maybe
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@TimeBandit no, but that list helped: Yate!
Man, Yate is... yeah, no, it doesn't work that well.
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@Onyx Actually... you know what, I was looking for a thing for ages, it just doesn't exist: a SIP client that works over WebSockets. Because damn it, that solves so many SIP problems so very nicely: no problems with NAT, no opening hundreds of ports for RTP...
It shouldn't be that hard to implement, especially if I cheap out and just go SIP.js and do an Electron or QML thing, but then it's also a question of "should I make it work over regular connections as well"? In which case, I need a full blown SIP library, so either PJSIP or grab that thing from Linphone or something... Hmmm....
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@Onyx said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
no problems with NAT, no opening hundreds of ports for RTP
Sounds like IAX
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@Deadfast said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
We're about to switch to a VoIP soft-phone system. It has been decided that us devs don't need phones so I won't be getting one.
Phones? We're expected to use our own cell phones. Well, you can get a company issued phone, but fuck carrying 2 phones! (luckily as a dev, I don't need to speak to anyone other than via Slack)
Edit: Oh, that made refinancing my home loan, um, interesting. Cause they wanted a phone associated with the company to call for verification. We finally tracked down a fax line - that worked...
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@TimeBandit said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
@Onyx said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
no problems with NAT, no opening hundreds of ports for RTP
Sounds like IAX
It does, yes, but while you can potentially get SIP over WebSockets on multiple platforms, IAX is pretty much Asterisk only. I mean, it works fine and all, but it's limiting to try and use it as a be-all end-all solution. There aren't many desktop phones that support it for example, meaning that you'd have to combine stacks to provide, for example, SIP for desktop phones and IAX for mobile users or some combination thereof.
With SIP you just use the same thing everywhere, you just use it through multiple transports. Makes things easier to manage if they are all as uniform as possible.
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@loopback0 said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
@Onyx said in You know VoIP introduction has been a success when...:
SIP.js
I know, I know... but the library is actually sane, and I'll need to use it anyway because one of the milestones in our software is finally getting a complete phone just built into the webapp so you don't need any additional software or hardware (apart from a headset) to use the damned thing fully. Which is nice, actually.
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