samsung insisting on tizen

Even if it wasn't a piece of crap, there's no room for yet another OS on the market. Maybe it could have a chance if it was significantly better than Android.

Apart from that, your only choice is to make it run Android apps, and settle for people using it as a bad Android clone.

aliceif

@Rhywden said in samsung insisting on tizen:

Doesn't that involve using EFL?

Thanks, but no thanks. The Note disaster put me off Samsung for good.

edit: Yes. Yes, it does:

Custom button style with

This is the code snippet for a button which canges colour on pressing it. Good lord.

Holy fucking shit.
I'm glad that I work with WPF.

Lorne Kates

@aliceif said in samsung insisting on tizen:

Why is this in the trolleybus garage?

Yamikuronue

@Rhywden said in samsung insisting on tizen:

This is the code snippet for a button which canges colour on pressing it. Good lord.

Why is it longer than "How to judge if the device is in vehicle"?

sloosecannon

@Rhywden said in samsung insisting on tizen:

Doesn't that involve using EFL?

Thanks, but no thanks. The Note disaster put me off Samsung for good.

edit: Yes. Yes, it does:

Custom button style with

This is the code snippet for a button which canges colour on pressing it. Good lord.

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What. Why. What.

WHAT.

That's horrible

PleegWat

@Yamikuronue How do you determine if the person trying to operate the phone really should be having their attention on driving their car instead?

LB_

@Rhywden said in samsung insisting on tizen:

Doesn't that involve using EFL?

Thanks, but no thanks. The Note disaster put me off Samsung for good.

edit: Yes. Yes, it does:

Custom button style with

This is the code snippet for a button which canges colour on pressing it. Good lord.

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I don't like C.

ben_lubar

@LB_ said in samsung insisting on tizen:

@Rhywden said in samsung insisting on tizen:

Doesn't that involve using EFL?

Thanks, but no thanks. The Note disaster put me off Samsung for good.

edit: Yes. Yes, it does:

Custom button style with

This is the code snippet for a button which canges colour on pressing it. Good lord.

I don't like C.

Fun fact: PATH_MAX is the maximum length of ONE PATH COMPONENT.

bb36e

Bitch

ben_lubar

@bb36e said in samsung insisting on tizen:

Bitch

COMPLAIN

fbmac

@LB_ said in samsung insisting on tizen:

I don't like C.

I hate C, but I work with it because I hate web development even more. And all others will end there

anonymous234

@bb36e That term is incredibly mysoginistic regardless of context. Mods pls ban.

sloosecannon

@LB_ said in samsung insisting on tizen:

I don't like C.

I like how they're using C for a FKJ()W_u289312ing cell phone app too.

Safe memory management?
Sandboxing?
Secure permissions models?

WHO NEEDS THOSE?
char *path all the way, baby!

Dreikin

@fbmac said in samsung insisting on tizen:

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2477150/samsung-really-really-wants-developers-to-build-tizen-apps

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Oh look, another site to never link to or recommend ever again.

bb36e

@ben_lubar said in samsung insisting on tizen:

@bb36e said in samsung insisting on tizen:

Bitch

COMPLAIN

SPANK SPANK

Adynathos

Tizen is becoming more important for us. It's one of the ways we can sell smartphones at very low cost in emerging markets

Why do they say Tizen phones are cheaper than Android?
Did the newest version of Android get so bloated that its slower than EFL which can't even render "full HD" video in real time?

Zmaster

Holy s*!
You'd think they had enough time to make a C++ wrapper around EL.
Is the entire API plain C? I'm on a phone, can't be bothered to check.
Anyway, they're sooooo doomed.
The Pebble SDK is already painful enough, but this... dreadful.

Maciejasjmj

@Rhywden said in samsung insisting on tizen:

Custom button style with

Really nice code editor THAT DOESN'T FUCKING SCROLL ON MOBILE JESUS CHRIST HOW DO YOU SCREW IT UP

lucas1

@sloosecannon welcome to SCSS nonsense.

accalia

@Dreikin said in samsung insisting on tizen:

Oh look, another site to never link to or recommend ever again.

dude, you just need a better adblocker is all.

also this fight is probably going to go on for a while, and just get all the more annoying for me while it dows.

can we just go back to the days when all i had to do to remove objectionable ads was disable flash and run a "click to play GIF" plugin?

you know.... before popover and popunder and agressive auto playing video/audio ads were a thing? those were better days.....

for advertising i mean, not for ..... wait.... i forgot about the election.... and brexit.... and..... yeah..... fuck.... that too.....

never mind then. Those were better days..... can we go back to them? please?

sloosecannon

@Zmaster said in samsung insisting on tizen:

You'd think they had enough time to make a C++ wrapper around EL.

Oh they do.

They just don't want to.

Because they don't like C++

Deadfast

@Zmaster said in samsung insisting on tizen:

You'd think they had enough time to make a C++ wrapper around EL.

That won't happen considering just how much the EFL developers hate C++. I believe "over my dead body" was the actual statement delivered during a presentation.

Lorne Kates

@bb36e said in samsung insisting on tizen:

@ben_lubar said in samsung insisting on tizen:

@bb36e said in samsung insisting on tizen:

Bitch

COMPLAIN

SPANK SPANK

FAP FAP

anonymous234

@Deadfast said in samsung insisting on tizen:

That won't happen considering just how much the EFL developers hate C++. I believe "over my dead body" was the actual statement delivered during a presentation

And why would Samsung give a flying fuck what they think? Open source doesn't work like that.

Deadfast

@anonymous234 said in samsung insisting on tizen:

@Deadfast said in samsung insisting on tizen:

That won't happen considering just how much the EFL developers hate C++. I believe "over my dead body" was the actual statement delivered during a presentation

And why would Samsung give a flying fuck what they think? Open source doesn't work like that.

Samsung employs, or did at that time, EFL's lead developer. In fact, if I remember correctly, that presentation was done under the Samsung umbrella. So whether intentionally or not, Samsung is/was complicit in this hatred.

ScholRLEA

@LB_ said in samsung insisting on tizen:

I don't like C.

To be fair, they don't either. The way that embedded DSL they use works proves it.

Filed Under: This would be hypocritical of me if it weren't for the fact that Lisp can DSL without some badly-written, non-standard pre-processor (the standard one is more than enough)

Zecc

@Rhywden said in samsung insisting on tizen:

This is the code snippet for a button which canges colour on pressing it. Good lord.

Not "cange".

Code snippet said in developer.tizen.org:

Custom button style with "press" effect and changable color

See, it's "chang". Learn to read.

ChrisH

Paging @NeighborhoodButcher ...

cvi

@ben_lubar said in samsung insisting on tizen:

Fun fact: PATH_MAX is the maximum length of ONE PATH COMPONENT.

Not according to these guys. Whether or not PATH_MAX is usable at all, is debatable.

kt_

@Rhywden said in samsung insisting on tizen:

Doesn't that involve using EFL?

Thanks, but no thanks. The Note disaster put me off Samsung for good.

edit: Yes. Yes, it does:

Custom button style with

This is the code snippet for a button which canges colour on pressing it. Good lord.

By the way, did you manage to get your Note replacement yet, although they haven't sent you a receipt and changed their website so you can't access it?

kt_

@aliceif said in samsung insisting on tizen:

@Rhywden said in samsung insisting on tizen:

Doesn't that involve using EFL?

Thanks, but no thanks. The Note disaster put me off Samsung for good.

edit: Yes. Yes, it does:

Custom button style with

This is the code snippet for a button which canges colour on pressing it. Good lord.

I'm glad that I work with WPF.

I envy you. Heard he's a great dev!

Bulb

@LB_ said in samsung insisting on tizen:

I don't like C.

There are some reasons for using C for core infrastructure—similar level of control over the binary interface is much harder to achieve in C++ and anything else basically becomes its own walled garden. However expecting the application developers to use it is just Silly™. That's what language bindings are for (and Gnome, which also has core in C, has many of them).

@ScholRLEA said in samsung insisting on tizen:

To be fair, they don't either. The way that embedded DSL they use works proves it.

Gnome also has a DSL—two in fact, GOB and Vala—but at least those do work.

Jaloopa

@Adynathos said in samsung insisting on tizen:

Why do they say Tizen phones are cheaper than Android?

Do they still have to pay a royalty to Microsoft for every Android device they sell?

fbmac

@Jaloopa I know they have to follow Google rules to sell Androids

dkf

@Deadfast said in samsung insisting on tizen:

I believe "over my dead body" was the actual statement delivered during a presentation.

“Over your dead body? Sounds like a great deal to me!”

Onyx

Good thing they avoided using Qt for "being too slow" where they could use QML to create custom elements from scratch like this:

http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtsensors-qmlsensorgestures-button-qml.html

Or, you know, just inherit from the existing Button control (this is from source of custom type tutorial, not something you'd need in a typical app). Without touching the C++ bits. And even then, there would be no reason to go as low-level as this does.

Idiots.

Rhywden

@kt_ No. They gave me my money back which I promptly invested in a Pixel.

I mean, the design may be questionable but the phone is solid. And the photos it takes are indeed great.

accalia

@Rhywden said in samsung insisting on tizen:

@kt_ No. They gave me my money back which I promptly invested in a Pixel.

I mean, the design may be questionable but the phone is solid. And the photos it takes are indeed great.

excelent choice.

fantastic phone, though yes the specifics of the design are.... odd

antiquarian

@LB_ said in samsung insisting on tizen:

I don't like C.

Here's a nickel, kid. Go buy yourself a real type system.

accalia

@antiquarian said in samsung insisting on tizen:

@LB_ said in samsung insisting on tizen:

I don't like C.

Here's a nickel, kid. Go buy yourself a real type system.

/me spends the ncikle on Javascript

LB_

@LB_ said in samsung insisting on tizen:

I don't like C.

I just realized... in that code, they use nullptr...which is only in C++... OH GOD WHY ARE THEY WRITING C IF THEY CAN USE C++!?

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sloosecannon

@LB_ said in samsung insisting on tizen:

@LB_ said in samsung insisting on tizen:

I don't like C.

I just realized... in that code, they use nullptr...which is only in C++... OH GOD WHY ARE THEY WRITING C IF THEY CAN USE C++!?

As discussed above, because they don't like C++ (over dead bodies, etc). So C it is.