@db2 said:

So what "software business" is HP referring to exactly? Shitty printer drivers? Will that actually pay the bills?

HP has a great software division, mostly built from acquisitions. They are not in the consumer market, mostly they do enterprise stuff, like systems automation or ALM. They also have a big professional services division, especially since they bought EDS a few years ago.

@boomzilla said:

@blakeyrat said:

Only a small subset of bugs can be caught in an automated fashion.

The size is debatable, but in my experience, automated tests are best / most useful for catching regressions.

Typical automated tests will usually tell you if something does not work, not if it works. This is why stuff like executable specifications is great - it's TDD initiated by the SME/BA, not the programmer.

It really creeps me out to see a forum user quoting another forum user in his signature. It's one thing to quote Ronald Reagan or Sun Tzu, but quoting another user just reminds me of Prison Break where T-Bag has his bitches holding on his pockets.

@Sutherlands said:

Which of your replies was supposed to be funny?

IT'S LEARNING! RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!

Sometimes the best thing to do is to write the comments at the end of the code. And make sure the comment contains only a bunch of backspace character.

@Sutherlands said:

@thistooshallpass said:

@Sutherlands said:

@thistooshallpass said:

@Sutherlands said:

@thistooshallpass said:

@Sutherlands said:

Why does it cost so much to install .Net 4.0?

Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate is +10k$.

Visual Studio != .Net

But the Visual Studio 2010 setup wizard will install the .Net framework 4.0, it is very convenient.

You install Visual Studio on your production servers, then?  No?  You just install the framework?

Installing the framework on a server? Nah, I leave that to the rent-a-tech at the hosting company.

So what you're saying is that to install the framework, you don't need Visual Studio.  So to install .Net 4.0 on the hosting servers (from the OP) doesn't cost $10k+ per server.  So you're an idiot and should be banned from using your mommy and daddy's modem.

Based on the depth and wisdom of your replies, I am starting to suspect that you are, in fact, a script. A buggy one that does not include a reference to the humor library. I formally request a Voight-Kampff test.

@blakeyrat said:

If you know of a way to fix a bug in a .net 4 project, compile it, install it in a .net 3.5 project, all without installing VS 2010-- I'm all ears.

It is a well-known fact that real programmers use "COPY CON" and CSC to write .Net software. There no feeling as warm as passing all those references to the compiler in the command-line.

@Sutherlands said:

@thistooshallpass said:

@Sutherlands said:

@thistooshallpass said:

@Sutherlands said:

Why does it cost so much to install .Net 4.0?

Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate is +10k$.

Visual Studio != .Net

But the Visual Studio 2010 setup wizard will install the .Net framework 4.0, it is very convenient.

You install Visual Studio on your production servers, then?  No?  You just install the framework?

Installing the framework on a server? Nah, I leave that to the rent-a-tech at the hosting company.

@Sutherlands said:

@thistooshallpass said:

@Sutherlands said:

Why does it cost so much to install .Net 4.0?

Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate is +10k$.

Visual Studio != .Net

But the Visual Studio 2010 setup wizard will install the .Net framework 4.0, it is very convenient.

@Sutherlands said:

Why does it cost so much to install .Net 4.0?

Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate is +10k$.

@TheCPUWizard said:

A few weeks ago, I picked up a large format (36" wide) inkjet.

Does it come with animated gif ink? I've been looking for one of those so I could print a Harry Potter newspaper for my niece.