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RE: Overheard at Work
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RE: IOS devices (iPods, iPads, iPhones) have no JavaScript debugger
@nonpartisan said:
But we shall need to agree to disagree, unless you want to disagree with that, then we'll disagree about agreeing to disagree, and . . .
I disagree - you just don't end a 10-page iOS-javascript-debugger-derailed-to-ad-blocking-derailed-to-religion discussion without rounding it out to 500 comments.
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RE: IOS devices (iPods, iPads, iPhones) have no JavaScript debugger
@boomzilla said:
You were saying stuff that's very similar to what a particular group of people say. I labeled those people with the obvious moniker, "asshole atheists." There are many assholes, but you were acting like an "asshole atheist."
So I'm supposed to keep track of the shit spewed by assholes in your life? Look, I said a lot of things, and I don't consider any of the things I said to be atheist; skepticism and atheism are far from the same thing.@boomzilla said:
Either you've been lucky enough to have not been exposed to any asshole atheists...
Or maybe I care so little about what assholes (atheist or otherwise) say that I don't even bother memorizing any of it.@boomzilla said:
...or your communication abilities do not include such literary devices as simile, analogy or metaphor.
That I don't understand your awkward reasoning of how some things are like other things when they're really not (like calling me an asshole atheist because at some point I said something that apparently asshole atheists sometimes say even though it had nothing to do with atheism in particular) doesn't mean that I don't know what a simile is. It just means you suck at writing them.@boomzilla said:
I suppose you could simply be trolling.
I could easily say the same to you. :)
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RE: IOS devices (iPods, iPads, iPhones) have no JavaScript debugger
@boomzilla said:
@boog said:
Care to explain why not? Or would that, too, conveniently be too tedious for words?My point still stands.
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RE: IOS devices (iPods, iPads, iPhones) have no JavaScript debugger
@boomzilla said:
@boog said:
My point still stands.Why else use the word "atheist"; as members of every religion are known for "putting up" arguments contrary to others' faith (or as you so gracefully call them, "dumb arguments"), and considering that this apparently was the behavior on which you wanted to call me out, you could have just as easily told me to stop acting like an asshole Christian, or asshole Hinduist, or asshole Wica, or asshole Vodouisant. I'm sure you can understand my confusion, but do not concern yourself; it is clear to me now that you simply chose your words without putting any real thought into them.
The way I used my words, "asshole" and "atheist" were a package deal.
@boomzilla said:
The bottom line is that trying to apply logic to faith is TRWTF, and that's what you've been doing.
Quite the contrary, actually. I don't suspect you've read any of my comments in their entirety (I know I haven't), but I've been employing logic as a means to argue for the removal of logic from discussions of faith, particularly because it is often flawed. I've said multiple times that having faith by reason of choice is fine, as nobody can really argue with personal preference. But if someone suggests that their faith is the result of logical conclusion or proven by statistical improbability (like a given set of coincidences or lack thereof), you can expect jerks like myself to chime in and point out the flaws in such logic. Which is exactly what happened.@boomzilla said:
Don't assume that we're all as dumb as you act.
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RE: IOS devices (iPods, iPads, iPhones) have no JavaScript debugger
@nonpartisan said:
...thank you for the conversation...
Likewise. While you may not realize it, I do respect your choice of religion, I do understand your position, and I have found the discussion to be most interesting. -
RE: IOS devices (iPods, iPads, iPhones) have no JavaScript debugger
@boomzilla said:
I'm sure that I could, but it would be too tedious for words, so I'll just ask you, what if you're wrong about this?
Meh.@boomzilla said:
Where did I say you were denying the existence of God?
Well, the primary characteristic of atheists is rejecting the belief in the existence of God. Here's a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism]reference[/url].@boomzilla said:
I just said you were acting like an asshole atheist, in this case by putting up dumb arguments about someone's faith.
Being that the objective of a simile is to highlight a similarity, I could only assume your choice of the word "atheist" was intended to compare my religious beliefs to those of atheists. Why else use the word "atheist"; as members of every religion are known for "putting up" arguments contrary to others' faith (or as you so gracefully call them, "dumb arguments"), and considering that this apparently was the behavior on which you wanted to call me out, you could have just as easily told me to stop acting like an asshole Christian, or asshole Hinduist, or asshole Wica, or asshole Vodouisant. I'm sure you can understand my confusion, but do not concern yourself; it is clear to me now that you simply chose your words without putting any real thought into them.@boomzilla said:
Perhaps this link will help.
I'm not sure there's any link that will help, but thanks for trying.
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RE: IOS devices (iPods, iPads, iPhones) have no JavaScript debugger
@nonpartisan said:
Then I think you're reading too much into the question. The idea that I would believe there is no God, die, and find out I was wrong scares the snot out of me.
Then I'm not reading too much into the question - that's the very issue I have with it. I feel like it's a scare tactic, not an argument. I don't think any benevolent god (as you assert God to be) would want people to believe simply out of fear of punishment. Then again:@nonpartisan said:
That's not a basis for why I believe...
Good for you, like I said, it shouldn't be.@nonpartisan said:
If you hear "What if you're wrong?" and you say "I don't give a flying fuck", well, then fine.
In my case, it's not about apathy. I'm open to the idea of a god and I find spirituality to be inspiring, but I constantly question the subject. I figure if there's a god, one who made me this way even, then it'd be quite a bit of douchebaggery to punish me for not blindly believing. -
RE: IOS devices (iPods, iPads, iPhones) have no JavaScript debugger
@boomzilla said:
You said this: @boog said:
That's awfully awkward logic. I'd like to highlight a couple differences between arguing by asking "what if you're wrong?" and the quote you've shown above:I think the question that folks like ASheridan and blakarino are trying to get across (and apparently failing, but not for a lack of effort) is why you can say with such certainty, with no evidence, that he put you in the right place at the right time? Because it seems awfully convenient to believe one positive thing without evidence, but disbelieve one negative thing for the same reason.
Which is pretty much the same thing, except more passively aggressive.
- I wasn't arguing for any belief. That you might think I was would be nothing more than a lousy assumption on your part.
- I was suggesting the notion that
nonpartisan's faith is merely a matter of personal preference by questioning his reasoning: why believe one unproven idea but not another - that's not the same as asking him to consider the consequences of his choice in light of the opposition being true.
But perhaps you could elaborate on how the two comments were "pretty much the same thing".
@boomzilla said:
I should have said, "Stop acting like an asshole atheist, please.
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RE: IOS devices (iPods, iPads, iPhones) have no JavaScript debugger
@boomzilla said:
@boog said:
No it isn't. Not once did I ask him to consider if he was wrong.I'm not asking for proof of anything; you missed the point. I'm saying that "arguing" for your beliefs by saying "what if you're wrong" is bullshit and it pisses me off.
Good god, but this is pretty much what you're doing!@boomzilla said:
Stop being an asshole atheist, please.
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RE: IOS devices (iPods, iPads, iPhones) have no JavaScript debugger
@nonpartisan said:
But we shall need to agree to disagree, unless you want to disagree with that, then we'll disagree about agreeing to disagree, and . . .
I disagree - you just don't end a 10-page iOS-javascript-debugger-derailed-to-ad-blocking-derailed-to-religion discussion without rounding it out to 500 comments. -
RE: IOS devices (iPods, iPads, iPhones) have no JavaScript debugger
@nonpartisan said:
It's the same as...
No it's not. Your analogy presumes that the benevolence is a given, that the subject's good standing has already been established and has gone unquestioned until now. The point of my comment (and so many others') was "why believe idea A instead of idea B, when there is no evidence supporting either?" Whereas your analogy asks "why believe conflicting idea B when I've had 'evidence' of idea A all my life?" Not the same thing. Not even kind of.@nonpartisan said:
@boog said:
I'm not asking for proof of anything; you missed the point. I'm saying that "arguing" for your beliefs by saying "what if you're wrong" is bullshit and it pisses me off.@nonpartisan said:
I can't point down the street...and say "See over there? He's God..." In terms of physical...the only real argument I can give would be: what if you're wrong?
I'm pretty sure that whatever part of that might be considered an argument is most definitely fallacious, which offends me as someone who thinks logically.
evidence that would qualify as true, irrefutable proof to the most
skeptical critic here on Earth, I have none.@nonpartisan said:
Again, I'm explaining my experiences.
And again, I appreciate that. There are a lot of unanswered questions in the universe, and it's fine if you feel the need to choose answers for yourself. You're entitled to your beliefs, and I won't tell you to believe otherwise. But please please don't try to explain how you arrived to your answer by applying "logic" or "reason".@nonpartisan said:
If you've got an answer for the question "what if you're wrong", and if that answer satisfies you, then fine.
My point is: I don't need one.