Youtube - wifi - fail?



  •  This isn't a WTF, just a technical question for y'all.

    I sometimes do fundraising things like work a table in a booth for purebreed dog adoption.  Most of the time I take my own pooches with me as my demo dollies.  They sell themselves.  I chat with people and it's a fun time.

    Now I'm wanting to take one step further into the dog rescue world - I'm going to start fundraising for a similar group, but I don't have that type of dog and sometimes I'll be working the table alone - so no booth babes.  I think it would be great to have a full multi-media demonstration, so along with a banner, brochures, photographs or posters, I would love to have videos playing on my iPad.  Now the trick is that in some cases, I won't have wifi access.

    Short of stealing videos off youtube, which I don't want to do, is there a way to play them with no internet access?  There's a wealth of videos on Youtube, but I don't see any way to download them to a local device.  I have an ipad 1, so is the only alternative to get the 3rd gen with a 3G data plan?

    Oops, just noticed they're up to 4G now.  Still a really good price!



  • @jetcitywoman said:

    Oops, just noticed they're up to 4G now. Still a really good price!

    If you're delusional enough to think that the iPad is a "good price", then you should go ahead and buy one.

    This question only seems relevant to people trying to do it on the cheap. If you're willing to spent $600+, then the answer is: "spend $600+".


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    @jetcitywoman said:

    Short of stealing videos off youtube, which I don't want to do, is there a way
    to play them with no internet access?
    Depending on your definition of 'stealing' the answer is either
    1) No. If you have no internet access, you can't use stuff on the internet or
    2) Yes, you can download the stuff youtube shows and store it locally.



    Firefox has an addon called UnPlug which will allow you to pick and choose which format you want the video downloaded as.



  • @jetcitywoman said:

    I would love to have videos playing on my iPad.  Now the trick is that in some cases, I won't have wifi access.

    Short of stealing videos off youtube, which I don't want to do, is there a way to play them with no internet access?

     

    Problem definition: "I want to play videos on my iPad".

    Constraints: "I may not be internet-connected"

    Two possible options:

    1. make your own video. Most digital cameras have a video option, and there are a few freeware utilities that can crop and edit the captured videos, as well as add branding.
    2. use a downloader to pull down the youtube videos you want and play them off-line (I do this with many youtube videos so that I can play them at a framerate that exceeds my network speed and permits lag-free play).

    In the case of the latter: there are a number of utilities that perform this: some websites (although google has started to go after these), PJH mentioned Firefox's plugin, and there's also the python-based youtube-dl. I don't think this is classified as "stealing" - unless you try to pass them off as your own work, so it's safer to pick videos that are owner-identified (watermarked or bookended with the owner's website)

    If you feel bad about it, ensure you delete the offline copies once you're done, but to the viewer there'll be no difference if you were internet-connected or not

    The only other constraint I can see is "must be of a format playable on the iPad". I'm not sure what formats it supports, so some conversion from FLV to AVI may be required.

     



  •  2nd most popular Firefox addon: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-downloadhelper/

    Download YouTube videos, put them on your iPad, ???, profit!

    And it's not stealing if your intentions are good. :D



  •  The Youtube app on the ipad is pretty good, so that's what I was thinking of using. Just after I posted the OP, I realized, "well, just upgrade the old ipad, duh!"  But you guys are bringing up some good points.  Last night I was at a Steve Miller Band concert and he did one acoustic guitar song that was beautiful and sweet and it occurred to me that I could make a slideshow of the dogs in question with that kind of music ... but of course then that would be stealing SM's tunes.  (I have iMovie which is pretty cool - yes, I'm an Apple household.)

    There is a huge, stupid and very-much-WTF issue with home made videos on Apple equipment:  despite having fantastic tools like iMovie, they haven't integrated video into the iCloud sharing between devices yet.  Photos are automatically shared between your Mac and iPad and iPhone, but videos aren't.  You have to do a song and dance to move a video to another device.  I can overcome that, but it's an irritant.

    I'll ponder it some more.  I will likely be running the booth for an entire day, so having a collection of both youtube and homemade videos ready to play would probably be good.



  • @pbean said:

    And it's not stealing if your intentions are good. :D
     

    Father Ted Image.



  • @jetcitywoman said:

    it occurred to me that I could make a slideshow of the dogs in question with that kind of music ... but of course then that would be stealing SM's tunes.
     

    That's not stealing - it's not depriving them of said product, nor depriving them of revenue. </pedant>

    It may be copyright infringement, but fair use rules may apply where you are - such as using the tune as a background score and acknowledging the song/artist (with a possible link to purchasing it on iTunes). If anything, that's fre advertising for them.

    @jetcitywoman said:

    so having a collection of both youtube and homemade videos ready to play would probably be good.

    Probably having n home-rolled movies in rotation padded out with a few youtubes. At a last stand I didn't calculate the duration of the movies in relation to the day, and I quickly grew sick of the tunes after hearing them for the umpteenth time that morning. I still get a nervous tic when hearing the radio play one of those tunes at random.

     


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    @Cassidy said:

    @pbean said:

    And it's not stealing if your intentions are good. :D
     

    Father Ted Image.

    Puzzles me why that has UB's logo, rather than - say - Natwest's who own them (or, a few weeks later Nationwide's)

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    @Cassidy said:

    @jetcitywoman said:

    it occurred to me that I could make a slideshow of
    the dogs in question with that kind of music ... but of course then that would
    be stealing SM's tunes.
     

    That's not stealing - it's not depriving them of said product, nor depriving them of revenue. </pedant>

    It's depriving them of the sale of said music to satisfy JCW's need for musical accompniment(sp) for her slideshow. Why buy the CD when you can get it from the internet for free? The fact that most, given the proposition of either paying for musical accompinant(sp) or going without, without the option of getting it 'for free from the internet' a vast majority would not actually buy the bollocks that the music indutry is pumping out these days.


    Put simply, "it's there." If it wasn't, people wouldn't pay for it.


  • @PJH said:

    Puzzles me why that has UB's logo, rather than - say - Natwest's who own them (or, a few weeks later Nationwide's)
     

    I'm guessing it was UB at the time of Father Ted, unless there's some satirical reason concerning dodgy practises at UB. I've still got a back stack of Private Eye to wade through.

    @PJH said:

    It's depriving them of the sale of said music to
    satisfy JCW's need for musical accompniment(sp) for her slideshow. Why
    buy the CD when you can get it from the internet for free?

    I was making the assumption that JCW would have bought the CD and wanted to include a track on her home-rolled.. but I know what you mean.

    @PJH said:

    a vast majority would not actually buy the bollocks that the music indutry is pumping out these days.

    For some years, I've felt that mainstream chart bollocks is only ever bought by DJs as floor-fillers. Look how many compilation albums (and soundtracks) fill the Christmas charts - there's very little outside of that.

    The flipside is Radiohead's experiment - proves that even if you give it away, some people will still spend money on it, and pay to attend concerts. A noticable stream of fresh water amongst the MPAA's FUD excrement.



  • @Cassidy said:

    I was making the assumption that JCW would have bought the CD and wanted to include a track on her home-rolled.. but I know what you mean.
     

    Yes, well, not the CD, but I'd buy the song from iTunes, which is about the same, yes?  What I think is confusing is the rule (or is it a wive's tail, I no longer am clear about these things) about playing a work of art in the public or for an audience.  Apparently you need a special license for that or something.



  • @jetcitywoman said:

    What I think is confusing is the rule (or is it a wive's tail, I no longer am clear about these things) about playing a work of art in the public or for an audience.  Apparently you need a special license for that or something.

    You do, but there are some qualifiers on it which is why businesses either have a "this is the approved and licensed music" that they play or they just turn on a radio.  I don't remember what the specifics are that it takes to count as a public performance (how many are reasonably going to be listening to it) and there may be other qualifiers that exempt or partially exempt things (think about a DJ, they aren't going to have special licenses for the box of records they haul around).



  • Wot he said.

    In the UK, you're required to have a broadcast licence if you're using works that haven't "expired" (I think it means the composer's been dead for over 100 years or the artiste has permitted fair use) if the music is used as a means to gain income - a disco, cover band, radio station, etc.

    If it's being used for no commercial/financial gain (elevator muzac, hold music, waiting-room ambient sounds) then you're exempt from licencing and copyright issues, AFAIK.

    I don't know the full ins and outs of it - other than my team leader swapping out Extreme Noise Terror for some classical CD due to broadcast issues. I strongly suspect there are some region-specific laws in USA and the MPAA have a black helecopter crew on standby for such henious infractions as playing some copyrighted CD during a video.

    YMMV...


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    @Cassidy said:

    If it's being used for no commercial/financial gain (elevator muzac, hold music, waiting-room ambient sounds) then you're exempt from licencing and copyright issues, AFAIK.
    I don't think there are exceptions for those. Hold music, for example, certainly isn't.



  • @PJH said:

    I don't think there are exceptions for those. Hold music, for example, certainly isn't.
     

    Weird... I remember wrong, then. I know it was explained to me - or the reasons why we needed/didn't need one - but I didn't pay it much attention at the time, just recall that some CDs were permissible, others weren't.



  • @jetcitywoman said:

    I have an ipad 1, so is the only alternative to get the 3rd gen with a 3G data plan?
     

    The other other alternative is to get a "myfi" type device. It connects to the cellular network and creates a wifi network anything can connect to (with a password of course). That way you could have five iPads with one data plan.

    @jetcitywoman said:

    Oops, just noticed they're up to 4G now.

    Apple got smack-downed in Australia because it isn't compatible with the 4G (LTE) networks here, so it is now called "wifi+cellular". But some of our "3G" networks are faster than some of your "4G" networks so it doesn't really matter.


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