I Just Installed Windows 8



  • It's pretty cool, you guys should try it!



  • Now you're just being ridiculous.



  • @Bardiches said:

    It's pretty cool, you guys should try it!

    Are you a bot?



  • @Someone You Know said:

    @Bardiches said:
    It's pretty cool, you guys should try it!

    Are you a bot?

    TDWTF::initialize(MSG_RESPONSE_LOADER, GENERIC_RESPONSE);



  • Tell us about it. In your opinion, is Metro Windows 8-style as goofy as feared?



  • Did you receive an email instructing you to do so?

    If not, you had better uninstall it.

    Now!



  • @Xyro said:

    Tell us about it. In your opinion, is Metro Windows 8-style as goofy as feared?

    To be perfectly honest, it isn't bad. I only have the consumer preview but it's actually pretty neat. I'm hoping that with the actual release that there will be more customization for Metro because I feel it could become a VERY powerful tool in the future for Windows application developers.



  • @Bardiches said:

    No



  • @Bardiches said:

    It's pretty cool, you guys should try it!

    I've had it on my personal laptop since the developer preview ... I'm not sold on it for non-touch devices. Although all of the "actions" are still there, they're significantly less intuitive than they might be on a touch device. I think the coloring looks like someone vomited skittles all over my screen, but I get why they made the contrasting tiles design choice. I really wish could change a tiles color, although I have to admit I haven't tried to find a way to do that yet.

    I'm also not a big fan of them locking out other OS on ARM devices - I get why they did it (to reduce rootkits), but it makes dual booting Android impossible (not that I want to do this, but others do). I'm also concerned with the browser limiting going on in ARM, but that's, again, a product of the security model; it's both good and bad for the consumer.

    All this said, I am hoping that I can get my hands on a copy of WinRT so I can install it on an Asus tablet I've had my eye on - as long as Office 15 has OneNote I think I might finally be able to without paper notebooks at conferences and around the office. That would be a true revolution for me, and is enough to justify the touch centric push MS is doing. I know they've ruffled a lot of feathers, but I feel like so many of the complaints are "dang you kids, get off my lawn" kind of stuff. I plan to downgrade my laptop back to Win7; it's just not working for me there. That's the thing though - if you don't like 8 you can always downgrade to 7 and have the classic experience which is pretty good in 7 IMO.



  •  Oh boy, just what we need-- another troll and/or person so abjectly stupid they genuinely believe they're being clever.



  • @Zylon said:

     Oh boy, just what we need-- another troll and/or person so abjectly stupid they genuinely believe they're being clever.

    No need to bring your mom into this thread. The doctor told you: she is not stupid, she is special.



  • Like I was saying.



  • @Zylon said:

    Like I was saying.

    I'm no doctor but when you have to quote yourself while replying to yourself things don't look too healthy.



  •  What, you simply downloaded it and installed? Out of your own volution?

     

    I mean, there was nobody pointing a gun to your head?





  • @Bardiches said:

    …I feel it could become a VERY powerful tool in the future for Windows application developers.
     

    In my (admittedly limited) experience, Metro already is a powerful tool for smartphone developers. It is, however, a shitty tool for desktop developers. Metro is gods-awful with a keyboard and a mouse and a monitor with more than 2 million screls.



  • @havokk said:

    screls
     

    You need to stop inventing bullshit words.



  • @havokk said:

    Metro is gods-awful with a keyboard and a mouse and a monitor with more than 2 million screls.
    What's a good number of screls for Windows 8?



  •  How many screls does it take to change a lightbulb?

     

    Installing the Release Preview into a virtualbox as I type. Let's if this baby can purr.



  • @dhromed said:

     How many screls does it take to change a lightbulb?

     

    Installing the Release Preview into a virtualbox as I type. Let's if this baby can purr.

    Meow



  • Oh look, it's asking for an email address, and I can't proceed until I do.

    The previous page was about using express settings. Could that be related?

    Edit:

    There's an utterly unobtrusive link at the bottom that allows you to proceed without an email. Ok. Got that.



  •  Okay, apart from the email 'nans, the installation user experience is smooth like a snooker game.



  •  Windows 7 users will be pleased to know that the folder-expand-scroll bug has been fixed.



  • dhromed Live-Forum

    I like this.

    dhromed cragon is live-foruming his installation experience of something a troll told him to install.



  • The hand pointer is the ugliest thing. God I hate this OS.

    Also performance went to shit after I installed the virtualbox guest thingies, but apparently that's needed to have shared folders. Maybe I can rollback the graphics driver.



  • @Ben L. said:

    a troll told him to install.
     

    It was, in fact, my coworker, several weeks ago. He was all, "pretty good".



  • @dhromed said:

    @Ben L. said:

    a troll told him to install.
     

    It was, in fact, my coworker

    Like I said



  • @dhromed said:

    Maybe I can rollback the graphics driver.
    Do that, or uninstall everything, then install without the graphic driver. VirtualBox's WDDM driver isn't quite there yet.



  • @dhromed said:

    The hand pointer is the ugliest thing. God I hate this OS.

    Also performance went to shit after I installed the virtualbox guest thingies, but apparently that's needed to have shared folders. Maybe I can rollback the graphics driver.

    Vmware Workstation is far superior for graphic performance. It's not free (unless you are one of those bittorrent terrorists) but it is much, much better. I use it to play games that are not working well on Windows 7, also to watch specialized p0rn.



  • @ender said:

    install without the graphic driver.
     

    Any idea how to do that without also not-having shared folders? There was just the one button: click to install Guest Additions, which included something called "Direct2D support (experimental)", but I couldn't uncheck any of it.

    Oh, and ofr the record, it was perfectly fine before I installed the guest additions. Smooth Metro. Now it's a 4-second lag whenever I move the mouse.The Aero desktop is stil good, though. It's just the Metro bit.



  • @Speakerphone Dude said:

    Vmware Workstation is far superior for graphic performance. It's not free (unless you are one of those bittorrent terrorists) but it is much, much better.

    No, but VMWare Player is free. And is just as good if you're just running VMs on your desktop. You miss some bells and whistles, but you get basically the same thing as far as actually running VMs.



  • @dhromed said:

    Oh look, it's asking for an email address, and I can't proceed until I do.

    The previous page was about using express settings. Could that be related?

    Edit:

    There's an utterly unobtrusive link at the bottom that allows you to proceed without an email. Ok. Got that.

    I have deja-vu; I'm sure I mentioned this last time last time someone suggested installing Windows 8 and I tried it in a VM, and I was told that 99 steps previously I could have chosen options that made it unnecessary, but there was no way of continuing the install at that particular point without entering an email address (beyond restarting the install.)


  • @boomzilla said:

    @Speakerphone Dude said:
    Vmware Workstation is far superior for graphic performance. It's not free (unless you are one of those bittorrent terrorists) but it is much, much better.

    No, but VMWare Player is free. And is just as good if you're just running VMs on your desktop. You miss some bells and whistles, but you get basically the same thing as far as actually running VMs.

    Thanks for the info. I was under the impression that it was not possible to create VMs with the Player but it appears this is now possible, and the same video features are available. Pretty cool.



  • @Speakerphone Dude said:

    Thanks for the info. I was under the impression that it was not possible to create VMs with the Player but it appears this is now possible, and the same video features are available. Pretty cool.

    Video hardware acceleration passthrough is available in the Player edition now? Nice!



  • @Ragnax said:

    Video hardware acceleration passthrough is available in the Player edition now? Nice!
     

    I saw an option for that. Hmm. Maybe I'll go check that out.

     

    I also found a little tool that gives you 4000% control over the taskbar. Let's see if it's 8-compatible.



  • @Speakerphone Dude said:

    specialized p0rn.

    Tell me more



  • @serguey123 said:

    @Speakerphone Dude said:
    specialized p0rn.

    Tell me more

    If you don't like this one* check the category drop-down.

    * nsfw



  • Oh, in case anyone's interested, I gave the VM 1 or 2 GB of ram, 128MB video memory, and a single core of the host's quad-core, that I have set to Cool & Quiet and thus runs at 800MHz by default (switching up under load).

    Performance of Aero is perfect for a VM. I might try giving it more juice and see if the Metro bits want to play nice as well.

     

    What's that?

    You're not interested anymore?

    Oh ok.

    Oh.

    I'll go.

    Play with myself or something.



  • @dhromed said:

    Oh, in case anyone's interested, I gave the VM 1 or 2 GB of ram, 128MB video memory, and a single core of the host's quad-core, that I have set to Cool & Quiet and thus runs at 800MHz by default (switching up under load).

    Performance of Aero is perfect for a VM. I might try giving it more juice and see if the Metro bits want to play nice as well.

     

    What's that?

    You're not interested anymore?

    Oh ok.

    Oh.

    I'll go.

    Play with myself or something.

    that's a bold statement right there



  • @dhromed said:

    Performance of Aero is perfect for a VM. I might try giving it more juice and see if the Metro bits want to play nice as well.

    They're supposedly yoinking out all of Aero in the final/RTM version. No more transparency effects.



  • I installed a windows 8 server up in the clouds

     



  • Can you peeps who installed W8 confirm if this still happens? Just curious...



  • Do you really have a password longer than 16 characters or is this a bug?



  • @Speakerphone Dude said:

    Do you really have a password longer than 16 characters or is this a bug?
    Maximum password length = stored as plaintext



  • @Ben L. said:

    @Speakerphone Dude said:
    Do you really have a password longer than 16 characters or is this a bug?
    Maximum password length = stored as plaintext
    Not always. phpass restricts them to 72 characters.



  • @PJH said:

    @Ben L. said:
    @Speakerphone Dude said:
    Do you really have a password longer than 16 characters or is this a bug?
    Maximum password length = stored as plaintext
    Not always. phpass restricts them to 72 characters.
    Some people who USE phpass might restrict it, but phpass itself has no such restriction.



  • @Ben L. said:

    @PJH said:
    @Ben L. said:
    @Speakerphone Dude said:
    Do you really have a password longer than 16 characters or is this a bug?
    Maximum password length = stored as plaintext
    Not always. phpass restricts them to 72 characters.
    Some people who USE phpass might restrict it, but phpass itself has no such restriction.
    You may want to actually read the documentation on it sometime.@Alexander Peslyak said:
    /* Don't let them spend more of our CPU time than we were willing to.

    • Besides, bcrypt happens to use the first 72 characters only anyway. */

    Unless of course you're going to be pedantic about the use of the phrase "phpass restricts them to 72 characters" when it's more technically correct to say "allowing passwords of greater than 72 characters with phpass can result in unexpected behaviour?"



  • @PJH said:

    @Ben L. said:
    @PJH said:
    @Ben L. said:
    @Speakerphone Dude said:
    Do you really have a password longer than 16 characters or is this a bug?
    Maximum password length = stored as plaintext
    Not always. phpass restricts them to 72 characters.
    Some people who USE phpass might restrict it, but phpass itself has no such restriction.
    You may want to actually read the documentation on it sometime.@Alexander Peslyak said:
    /* Don't let them spend more of our CPU time than we were willing to.

    • Besides, bcrypt happens to use the first 72 characters only anyway. */

    Unless of course you're going to be pedantic about the use of the phrase "phpass restricts them to 72 characters" when it's more technically correct to say "allowing passwords of greater than 72 characters with phpass can result in unexpected behaviour?"

    I see no reason why it's hard to sha256 the password before feeding it to whatever slower hash you use. Bonus points if you salt the sha256 as well to prevent rainbow table attacks should someone crack a bcrypt hash.



  • @Ben L. said:

    I see no reason why it's hard to sha256 the password before feeding it to whatever slower hash you use.
    Put that goalpost back where it was.



  • One could also substring the password into 72-character chunks, pass them through the algo, and xor them together at the end or something. Why wouldn't the algo just do that for you anyway?


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