This is the error message you decided to go with? Wait a minute, THIS IS AN ERROR!?



  • Wow. Where to even begin on this one... first of all, the dialog box lies-- it's not designed to be open "all the time" obviously. Secondly, if the log window is so important then why is it even close-able? Windows has a style for windows with no close box (or it could dim the close box, like this very dialog does.) Thirdly, why is this even a separate window if it's so important? Why isn't it part of the main window? Fourthly, why the fuck is the log window so important in the first place? It's not telling me anything important right now. It's a DVD burning program. You put in an ISO and out comes a DVD. Why does that require any more reporting than a single progress bar? Fifth, why does it confirm closing a window I could easily re-open? Sixth, if the error/status messages the window displays are so important, why are they displayed in a window that can be closed? Seventh, why does the dialog box insult me for trying to close it?

    Who the fuck wrote this piece of shit? Who the fuck sat with his finger on the "release this product to the public" trigger and nodded to himself and said, "yes. Yes this is the quality level we want to ship. This product is done."



  • Hey the guy spent a lot of time figuring out how to have icons in the log window, so of course he will strongly advise to keep it open. Now I have to go and install this masterpiece because I have to know what lies under the Tools menu in the log window.



  • @Speakerphone Dude said:

    Hey the guy spent a lot of time figuring out how to have icons in the log window, so of course he will strongly advise to keep it open. Now I have to go and install this masterpiece because I have to know what lies under the Tools menu in the log window.

    Which raises the question of why all the menus in the log window appear to be grayed out/disabled.



  • I've been using ImgBurn for quite a while and I'm perfectly happy with it. It is reasonably small, stable, and "just works". Its interface can a little confusing to those who are not familiar with burning CDs and DVDs, but the basics are there if you just want to burn and ISO or burn file folders directly to a writable media -- the user can ignore the advanced obtions, just click the "write folders" or "write image" button and there are even, hm, progress bars in a window and the work is done. It just works. (the only functionality I actually really miss is a simple copy button, I am forced to create an image of the disc I want to copy and then proceed to burn that image. But that as far as mildly serious issues with the software I acknowledge).



    That said, it is a product where functionality is clearly given priority instead of aesthetics and iterface. You want to use it? Fine, then figure it out. Not an apple-esque approach on the user experience and a pleasant and minimalistic interface, it can be nice and all but obviously the developer disagrees. That, and the (dubious?) sense of humour in the random messages the program displays in the status bar explains the error.



    Are you so irated about the error message, you can use another program. If you are only moderately irated, you can close the status bar and never open it again -- there you have your just-progress-bars. Either way, not a real WTF, just lots of ranting over a minor nuisance (another normal day in the world of blakeyrat?)


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @blakeyrat said:

    Who the fuck wrote this piece of shit? Who the fuck sat with his finger on the "release this product to the public" trigger and nodded to himself and said, "yes. Yes this is the quality level we want to ship. This product is done."

    Someone who thought they were doing a good job. Look how thorough and discoverable the log is! Never mind that you don't care what's in the log unless something goes wrong. The dialog box, on the other hand, is what happens when you put people who think they know what's best for you in prominent positions. It's Nanny-state programming at its worst.



  • @Speakerphone Dude said:

    Now I have to go and install this masterpiece because I have to know what lies under the Tools menu in the log window.

    It has a single menu item, labeled "Count". When selected, is displays a dialog reading:

    @Moron Developer said:

    ---------------------------

    ImgBurn

    ---------------------------

    7 Event(s) Displayed



    0 Event(s) Selected

    ---------------------------

    OK

    ---------------------------



  • @Someone You Know said:

    Which raises the question of why all the menus in the log window appear to be grayed out/disabled.

    Because it's not the active window, the dialog box is. Duh?

    Edit: that said there is some funkiness with the log window focus. If you're in another app, and click on the log window, ImgBurn instead focuses the main window. If the main window is in focus, you can focus the log window. I wonder how many lines of code they had to write to over-ride default Windows functionality and break their application in such a creative way...



  • @atipico said:

    That said, it is a product where functionality is clearly given priority instead of aesthetics and iterface. You want to use it? Fine, then figure it out.

    ALL IT DOES IS BURN CDs/DVDs! THERE'S NOTHING TO FIGURE OUT! The equivalent feature in Windows has one button and one dialog with a progress bar, and that's its entire UI, and it works FINE for the application of BURNING CDs/DVDs! ONE BUTTON!

    @atipico said:

    Are you so irated about the error message, you can use another program.

    That is what I did. In fact, I only opened ImgBurn by accident-- I thought I still had my "mount ISO as virtual drive" software installed, and alas did not.

    @atipico said:

    Either way, not a real WTF, just lots of ranting over a minor nuisance (another normal day in the world of blakeyrat?)

    It's not a "this dialog box keyed my car and kicked my dog" WTF, but it sure makes you think, "while the developer was writing the message in this dialog box, did he ever stop to think 'why is this necessary?'"

    Because, seriously, WTF.



  • I actually like blakeyrat's ranting most of the time. I see him as a sort of Usability Lewis Black.



  • @Zecc said:

    I actually like blakeyrat's ranting most of the time. I see him as a sort of Usability Lewis Black.

    Be careful with praise, otherwise if you inflate his ego he may start posting mildly interesting stuff like that other dude with his 13 tables.



  • Well when ImgBurn was still young it was competing with Nero, which at that time had ceased being a simple easy-to-use disc burning utility and had added in video and photo editing, blogging, word processing, telephony, slideshows, language translation, grocery shopping, child daycare, turn-by-turn directions, and the ability to be an easy date* on Friday nights. It seems overly complex today, but it was a huge improvement over the competition back in the day.



  • @Zecc said:

    I actually like blakeyrat's ranting most of the time. I see him as a sort of Usability Lewis Black.

    This isn't even usability, this is the ability to stop what you're doing and ask yourself, "wait... I'm writing a program to burn DVDs... in what way does creating this dialog box contribute to completing that task?"

    I guess "self-awareness" is the term for that?



  • Who the fuck downloaded this piece of shit? Who the fuck sat there with his finger on the "launch this program" button saying, "Yes, yes this is the quality of software I want to burn DVDs with".

     Jus' sayin'.



  • @rudraigh said:

    Who the fuck downloaded this piece of shit?

    Not me. This is a work computer; I don't control what software it came with.

    @rudraigh said:

    Who the fuck sat there with his finger on the "launch this program" button saying, "Yes, yes this is the quality of software I want to burn DVDs with".

    Not me, as I've already explained. I didn't even want to burn a DVD, I was trying to mount an ISO as a virtual drive.



  • Have you heard the default "I'm done burning" sound yet?  It deserves a spot in the UI hall of shame.



  • @Jaime said:

    Have you heard the default "I'm done burning" sound yet?  It deserves a spot in the UI hall of shame.

    Dear Christ. You made me open up the Settings dialog to look for it... holy shit. Why does a CD/DVD burner have a tab in settings labeled "Registry"? What possible settings could it have regarding the Registry? ... oh they mean "File Associations." Lovely checkboxes-that-act-like-radio-buttons littered all over the thing. Bonus points to anybody who can figure out what the various checkboxes in Device -> Synchronise Selection do.

    The success sound isn't that objectionable, it's just a bit long. The fail sound is... something else. "Oh nooo!"

    Oh and the Status Bar on the launcher screen, if you launch the app without double-clicking a file, reads: "Oompa Loompa doompadee doo."



  • @Jaime said:

    Have you heard the default "I'm done burning" sound yet?  It deserves a spot in the UI hall of shame.

    Can someone share this intriguing sounds? Maybe film yourself burning a dvd at 4x then upload the entire video on youtube?



  • It's just 5 seconds or so of marimba. Not much different than the average ringtone. Unless Jamie's version has a much more shameful sound?



  • @blakeyrat said:

    It's just 5 seconds or so of marimba. Not much different than the average ringtone. Unless Jamie's version has a much more shameful sound?
    Mirimba is to my ears what Hot Dog Stand is to my eyes. This is another example of why programs should use the sounds from the user's current theme instead of making shit up.



  • @mott555 said:

    Well when ImgBurn was still young it was competing with Nero, which at that time had ceased being a simple easy-to-use disc burning utility and had added in video and photo editing, blogging, word processing, telephony, slideshows, language translation, grocery shopping, child daycare, turn-by-turn directions, and the ability to be an easy date* on Friday nights. It seems overly complex today, but it was a huge improvement over the competition back in the day.

    Yeah, Nero became ridiculously bloated.  It got so bad that some of the "warez" sites were posting old copies that were a few versions out of date because they did what was needed (burn CDs / DVDs) but contained a lot less of the crap.  However, it does appear that they have seen the error of their ways and now they have split it into 2 products -- a "Multimedia Suite" that conatins everything plus the kitchen sink, and a program that just burns CDs and DVDs.

    Tio be fair, there was an option to do a custom installation which allowed you to to specify exactly what you wanted to install and you could uncheck the language translation, grocery shopping, child daycare, turn-by-turn directions and satellite telemetry so that those things didn't get installed.  Although Nero always seemed to install some service that didn't seem to serve any puprose other than to crash frequently.

     


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