Samsung vs Mac



  • No, not about the lawsuits...

    I am a long time Mac user, not using Mac's exclusively, but the Mac is my main system and I do not own any Windows system. Two years ago I bought a Samsung Galaxy S, today I tried to update it again to the latest firmware. I have done updates before, but they always involved going to a shop and getting my entire device wiped, or running Windows on my Mac which doesn't work since I upgraded to Lion (other long story). However, since about a year Samsung even has a Mac version of Kies, the software to manage your phone. So I download and install this software, running into many WTF:

    1. Kies is called version 2.0 on the web, the downloaded disk image is called 1.3.0.12052_14. The installer is called kies20mac_s8173 and the version installed is 1.3.0.12052_14 again. At least 2 out of 4 are the same.
    2. Directly after running Kies pops up a message that it can import settings from my iPod Touch backup and a message that a new firmware version is available. Both are model dialog and the one having focus is not the top one. Only way to resolve: Force Quit
    3. Second try: only one popup for installing the new firmware, I tell it to go ahead and then get a message to disconnect and reconnect the phone. After that I get a message that I should not disconnect while it is downloading the firmware or it will brick the phone. Firmware download crashes...
    4. Looking into the logs to see if I can find any cause I notice a couple of logging WTF's:
      1. about 500 messages about not being able to open a log file, without specifying which file.
      2. above log message is ignored after the first 500 because it was sent more than 500 times per second.
      3. hundreds of lines saying
        Kies: writestring ====>>> AT+PROF=CONTINUE, timeout = 15.000000
      4. all together Kies logged about 2600 messages in less than an hour of trying, averaging at 1 log message per second, and it would be much worse if logging wasn't throttled
    5. Browsing through the logs I found these interesting messages:
         21-05-12 23:45:33,111 [0x0-0x30030].com.samsung.Kies: objc[325]: Class MDGPBManager is implemented in both /Applications/Kies.app/Contents/MacOS/PIMsManager_10_7.dylib and /Applications/Kies.app/Contents/MacOS//PIMsManager.dylib. One of the two will be used. Which one is undefined.
         21-05-12 23:45:33,121 [0x0-0x30030].com.samsung.Kies: objc[325]: Class BTUIPodcastXMLConverter is implemented in both /Applications/Kies.app/Contents/MacOS//Device.dylib and /Applications/Kies.app/Contents/MacOS//MTPService.dylib. One of the two will be used. Which one is undefined.
         21-05-12 23:45:33,122 [0x0-0x30030].com.samsung.Kies: objc[325]: Class BTUIPodcastXMLConverter is implemented in both /Applications/Kies.app/Contents/MacOS//Device.dylib and /Applications/Kies.app/Contents/MacOS//UMSService.dylib. One of the two will be used. Which one is undefined.
      
      So maybe that explains the crashing...

    In the end I didn't manage to update my phone, so I just did a factory reset in the hope that it would at least fix the worst issues.

    Of course I'm the real WTF for trying to use a Samsung phone as a Mac user...



  •  I'm never getting a smartphone.



  • @dhromed said:

     I'm never getting a smartphone.

    At least not until they put stronger motors in 'em.



  • OP: Wait, so you have an Android phone? Why are you plugging it in for updates? You should be able to get those OTA. This isn't an iPhone.



  • @dhromed said:

     I'm never getting a smartphone.


    I'm never getting a cellphone. It pisses me off when people assume I have/need one



  • @serguey123 said:

    I'm never getting a cellphone. It pisses me off when people assume I have/need one
     

    Cellphones are handy. You should get one. Those pocketputers are not.

    That is to say, not to me.

    That is to say, there's a strong negative outcome of the cost/benefit analysis as I perceive it so far.



  • @dhromed said:

    Cellphones are handy

    How so?

    @dhromed said:

    You should get one

    Let me refer you to my previous post
    @serguey123 said:
    It pisses me off when people assume I have/need one

    @dhromed said:
    Those pocketputers are not.

    I'm guessing pocket computers or something like that, why on earth would I ever own something like that? For the record I don't like gadgets in general, they seem pointless, that is why I never buy them. I like to keep clutter to a minimun so I tend to own very little, it gives a certain spartan air to the place.
    @dhromed said:
    there's a strong negative outcome of the cost/benefit analysis as I perceive it so far

    Why?



  • @serguey123 said:

    Why?
     

    They're handy because I am often (enough) in a position where I need to communicate directly at the present time, and have no other channels available.

    Does that answer your question?

    @serguey123 said:

    Why?

    Because I've seen only one or two apps that I think would benefit me. Notably, a weather app that tells me the rain status with radar images (to decide whether I will bike to work or not), and maybe a map thing. Maybe not even that last one.

    Two apps is not nearly enough to justify the cost of the device and/or the subscription, the incessant charging, the management and the junk software as described in the OP.

    Does that answer your question?

     



  • @dhromed said:

    I am often (enough) in a position where I need to communicate directly at the present time

    I'm almost never in that position
    @dhromed said:
    Does that answer your question?

    I guess.
    @dhromed said:
    a weather app that tells me the rain status with radar images

    I turn the tv on the morning to hear the weather report while I have breakfast.
    @dhromed said:
    Does that answer your question?

    Sure



  • @serguey123 said:

    I'm almost never in that position
     

    You are surprisingly disconnected from people in general.

    @serguey123 said:

    I turn the tv on the morning to hear the weather report while I have breakfast.

    I don't have a TV and my computer is off in the morning. In this case, a tiny always-on device would be cool. But since I have eyes and can probably look out the window, it's fine not to have this luxury.

     



  • @dhromed said:

    You are surprisingly disconnected from people in general

    I have always found odd that people want to know about others all the time, I never understood FB and all the other social network sites and the ability to reach me all the time any place seems more like a curse than convenience
    @dhromed said:
    have eyes and can probably look out the window, it's fine not to have this luxury.

    Weather can be tricky, at least around here it can change at a moment notice. However I watch the weather report more out of custom than convenience, like reading printed newspaper. Hmmm, maybe I'm just an old fart.



  • @serguey123 said:

    I have always found odd that people want to know about others all the time, I never understood FB and all the other social network sites and the ability to reach me all the time any place seems more like a curse than convenience
     

    The frequency of being reached is strictly related to the size of your circle. Having a cellphone doesn't mean suddenly everybody's going to call you and it's not magically going to clutter your life with all kinds of people. So far, today, I've sent and received 0 texts and made 0 phonecalls.

    And it's not about "knowing about others all the time". Shit man, do you think I make extensive phonecalls just to talk to people about "stuff", for "fun"? What a quaint idea! I have things to do! So do the people I know! No, it's a strictly functional apparatus; not a social one.

    While I'm at my computer I can properly discuss things over IM or email, but I'm not always within reach of a communications device in order to synchronize short-term actions, such as buying groceries or meeting up for a band 30 minutes in advance. It's basically star trek communicator badge.

    Oh, it's also my watch.



  • @serguey123 said:

    Weather can be tricky, at least around here it can change at a moment notice.
     

    Yeah, it's a really diverse landscape over there.



  • @dhromed said:

    The frequency of being reached is strictly related to the size of your circle. Having a cellphone doesn't mean suddenly everybody's going to call you and it's not magically going to clutter your life with all kinds of people

    Of course not, but the people I know will pester me more often and in a irregular schedule
    @dhromed said:
    t's a strictly functional apparatus; not a social one.

    Yours maybe but the world is moving in another direction.

    @dhromed said:

    t I'm not always within reach of a communications device in order to synchronize short-term actions,

    This is where we diverge, I find this superflous.
    @dhromed said:
    it's also my watch.

    This is something I don't do either, I don't need a watch or any device to tell time, I stopped using them when I entered college, never looked back.
    @dhromed said:
    It's basically star trek communicator badge

    Yeah, of all the star trek devices, why couldn't they invent a replicator or a universal translator or any of the more useful gadgets?



  • @dhromed said:

    Yeah, it's a really diverse landscape over there.

    Nah, not really but the weather can be odd and all over the place, it is even a recurring joke in tv shows and movies.



  • @serguey123 said:

    @dhromed said:
    It's a strictly functional apparatus; not a social one.

    Yours maybe but the world is moving in another direction.

    I thought it was obvious that dhromed was speaking for himself. I feel similarly about my situation, and in particular, I think that smartphones make sense for poor people who can't afford a computer or for people who don't already sit in front of a computer all the time. I don't fit into either category, and cannot justify the expense of a smartphone or its data plan.



  • @boomzilla said:

    think that smartphones make sense for poor people who can't afford a computer

    You can buy a computer for the prize of a expensive unsubsidized smartphone
    @boomzilla said:
    cannot justify the expense of a smartphone or its data plan.

    Same thing with me and a cellphone, even thought they are cheap, I would hardly use it



  • @serguey123 said:

    You can buy a computer for the prize of a expensive unsubsidized smartphone

    Poor people aren't buying unsubsidized smartphones; they're getting a free smartphone on 2 year contract from Verizon. And they have to buy a data plan, but they'd have to buy Internet for a computer, too.

    I don't use my smartphone for "apps", really. What I do use it for is email, GPS, 3G hotspot, finding something on Google Maps and occasionally looking something up on the web. I guess these activities aren't limited to smartphones only, but the industry does seem to be moving towards them.

    I think the concept is okay, but the execution is flawed. For example, Android is just fucked. Google decided to let OEMs create their own GUIs and pre-load all the undeleteable shitware they want. The result is that UX between Android devices can vary wildly and there are a ton of junk apps on your phone you can't get rid without rooting it. Then the whole thing is written in Java.. I don't know if that's why it's so slow, memory-hungry and crash-prone, but it's probably it. When I bought my phone the Verizon sales girl told me "You really have to download an app called 'Advanced Process Killer' that will let you terminate background applications, otherwise you'll have problems with everything being sluggish due to low memory." And of course requiring a task manager on a phone is a pretty big fail.

    Add in the fact that apps like GMail and the web browser (apps provided by Google themselves) just crash randomly (at least once a week for me) and I can't blame people for buying iPhones instead. The only two things on my phone that work well are Google Navigation (GPS) and the 3G hotspot (so any wifi device can access the Internet--very handy if you run Linux and don't want to screw around trying to get drivers for a 3G USB or Expresscard modem).



  • Have you tried a windows phone?



  • @dhromed said:

    Have you tried a windows phone?

    Was considering it, but I've heard negative things about WP7. WP8 might be much better, assuming anyone sells it. I think most of the manufacturers have ditched M$, which is unfortunate.


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