From the Department of ReDUHndancy Department



  • "Expect surprise inspections without advance notice."



  • This isn't redundant, it is simply a lie.  This was the advance notice of a surprise inspection.



  •  And if the inspections find any problems, you will receive a written verbal warning.



  • @zelmak said:

    "Expect surprise inspections without advance notice."

    It's a case of operator precedence:

    You understand this: (Expect) (surprise inspections without advance notice)
    instead of this: (Expect surprise inspections )(without advance notice)

    Unfortunately in English extra parentheses cannot be added for clarity. So in a nutshell, what is meant is that you should not wait for a notice before starting to expect a surprise inspection.



  • @Speakerphone Dude said:

    @zelmak said:

    "Expect surprise inspections without advance notice."

    It's a case of operator precedence:

    You understand this: (Expect) (surprise inspections without advance notice)
    instead of this: (Expect surprise inspections )(without advance notice)

    Unfortunately in English extra parentheses cannot be added for clarity. So in a nutshell, what is meant is that you should not wait for a notice before starting to expect a surprise inspection.

    So, you're saying its my fault? That I'm ascribing different, WTF-y meaning to a quote? I see.

    Communications requires the sender of the message to develop that message in such a way as to ensure that the recipient of said message will understand the meaning of the message. They could have simply said "We are starting surprise inspections soon" and that would have been clear, concise and not in the least bit WTF-y.

    To tell me to (a) expect a surprise and that (b) the surprise would also be no-notice, no matter where you put the parentheses, is WTF-y. Further, (c) you're giving me notice that there are going to be surprise inspections. So they are, therefore, no longer surprise inspections as you've told me about them, so they should no longer come as a surprise, but, perhaps, an "Oh, shit!" moment when you realize your "ducks aren't all in a row."

    Thanks ever so much for the troll so I could explain myself.



  • @zelmak said:

    So, you're saying its my fault?

    Where does that come from? All I did was to provide an alternate interpretation of a poorly written sentence. It's the first thing to do when you come across a potential WTF: see if there is a logical explanations - in other words, playing the Devil's advocate. This is not trolling.

    Your reaction reminds me of a quote from the book Generation X:

    @Douglas Coupland said:

    Accidental eye contact with 7-Eleven grocery clerks became charged with vile meaning.



  • @Speakerphone Dude said:

    Unfortunately in English extra parentheses cannot be added for clarity. So in a nutshell, what is meant is that you should not wait for a notice before starting to expect a surprise inspection.

    So basically what I said, the statement is a lie because this IS the advance notice of the surprise inspection; of course it does not imply timing of the inspection, only that there will be one, you have been notified in advance.



  • @El_Heffe said:

     And if the inspections find any problems, you will receive a written verbal warning.

    To be a pedantic dickweed, verbal can mean "in words" instead of a synonym for "oral". Most people use it to mean the latter, though.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    To be a pedantic dickweed

    I think he was taking the piss....

    .. well, I read it that way. But I'm slightly ale-d up at the moment.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @El_Heffe said:
    And if the inspections find any problems, you will receive a written verbal warning.

    To be a pedantic dickweed, verbal can mean "in words" instead of a synonym for "oral". Most people use it to mean the latter, though.

     

    And how do people communicate orally if not in words? Like in the good old days? Hmmppfff. Grrrrrr! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!

    But in your hasty dickweedery you committed two errors

    1 "Written verbal" is  by your own definition either a contradictio in terminis, or a tautology, so therefor in style of the posting

    2 The phrase "to be a pedantic dickweed" modifies the subject of the sentence, i.e. "verbal"; you should have said something along the lines of "If you allow me to be ..."

    3 A dickweed is always pedantic; more idiomatic usage would be "a fucking dickweed"

    Three errors! You've committed three errors!



  • @TGV said:

    And how do people communicate orally if not in words? Like in the good old days? Hmmppfff. Grrrrrr! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!

    No.. what I said was that verbal can mean "in words" not only "oral". The implication isn't that oral communication can't be verbal, but that verbal communication isn't always oral. Where the hell did you get that idea?

    @TGV said:

    1 "Written verbal" is  by your own definition either a contradictio in terminis, or a tautology, so therefor in style of the posting

    No, it's not. "Written verbal" is perfectly acceptable. You could have non-verbal written communication or non-written verbal communication.



  • @El_Heffe said:

    you will receive a written verbal warning.
     

    That is not a problem.

    A written vocal warning, however...



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    You could have non-verbal written communication or non-written verbal communication

     What would an example of a non-verbal written communication be?

     I can think of Non-verbal elements of a written verbal communication (Say, font, bold, underline, bricktext), but nothing that I could call "a written non-verbal warning". Symbols such as a skull and crossbones or Biohazard symbol are certainly Non-verbal, Non-oral warnings, but I wouldn't typical refer to them as written.

     



  • @cdosrun said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    You could have non-verbal written communication or non-written verbal communication

     What would an example of a non-verbal written communication be?

     I can think of Non-verbal elements of a written verbal communication (Say, font, bold, underline, bricktext), but nothing that I could call "a written non-verbal warning". Symbols such as a skull and crossbones or Biohazard symbol are certainly Non-verbal, Non-oral warnings, but I wouldn't typical refer to them as written.

     

    A written message that consists entirely of numbers (phone number, IP address, etc.) is not really verbal.



  • Do you people really think conversations like this are clever?



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Do you people really think conversations like this are clever?

    Of course not, talking like this makes you a douche, on the other hand posting like this: fucking brilliant!



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Do you people really think conversations like this are clever?

    Is that what we're supposed to be doing? Why didn't you tell us how to behave sooner?! Here, take a look at this for a while. It should help ease the suffering...



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Do you people really think conversations like this are clever?
    The pedantic dickweedery in this thread has reached a new high (or low, depending on your point of view).



  • @El_Heffe said:

     And if the inspections find any problems, you will receive a written verbal warning.

    In writing? Oh noes!!11!



  • @Someone You Know said:

    @cdosrun said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    You could have non-verbal written communication or non-written verbal communication

     What would an example of a non-verbal written communication be?

     I can think of Non-verbal elements of a written verbal communication (Say, font, bold, underline, bricktext), but nothing that I could call "a written non-verbal warning". Symbols such as a skull and crossbones or Biohazard symbol are certainly Non-verbal, Non-oral warnings, but I wouldn't typical refer to them as written.

     

    A written message that consists entirely of numbers (phone number, IP address, etc.) is not really verbal.

     

    Excellent point! A truck with a DOT warning placard could have 1.1 or 1.2 written on it- Would be a written, non-verbal warning.

    (As I recall, such placards always or almost always also have a picture on them, and usually have a word on them, but 1.1 not only tells you that it contains explosives, but a general idea of how dangerous they are- 1.1 and 1.2 would have the same words and pictures, but 1.1 is more dangerous.)

     

     



  • @boomzilla said:

    take a look at this for a while. It should help ease the suffering...

     

    sweet.

     



  • @El_Heffe said:

    @blakeyrat said:

    Do you people really think conversations like this are clever?
    The pedantic dickweedery in this thread has reached a new high (or low, depending on your point of view).

    (Singing): The dickweed's as high as an elephant's eye....

     



  • @da Doctah said:

    (Singing): The dickweed's as high as an elephant's eye....

    African or Indian?



  • @boomzilla said:

    @blakeyrat said:
    Do you people really think conversations like this are clever?

    Is that what we're supposed to be doing? Why didn't you tell us how to behave sooner?! Here, take a look at this for a while. It should help ease the suffering...

    I don't know what is creepier, that photo or all the videos made by Bronies



  • @Scarlet Manuka said:

    @da Doctah said:
    (Singing): The dickweed's as high as an elephant's eye....

    African or Indian?
     

    If you use a native man, it doesn't matter.



  • @cdosrun said:

     What would an example of a non-verbal written communication be?

     

     IKEA instructions

     



  • @JoeCool said:

    @cdosrun said:

     What would an example of a non-verbal written communication be?

     

     IKEA instructions

     

    That's non-communication. Sutble difference, but still.

     



  • @dhromed said:

    @JoeCool said:

    @cdosrun said:

     What would an example of a non-verbal written communication be?

     

     IKEA instructions

     

    That's non-communication. Sutble difference, but still.

     

    "Enjoy your affordable Swedish crap!"



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @dhromed said:

    @JoeCool said:

    @cdosrun said:

     What would an example of a non-verbal written communication be?

     

     IKEA instructions

     

    That's non-communication. Sutble difference, but still.

     

    "Enjoy your affordable Swedish crap!"

     

    TRWTF is a business model headed "knockdown furniture and meatballs".

     



  • @da Doctah said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    @dhromed said:

    @JoeCool said:

    @cdosrun said:

     What would an example of a non-verbal written communication be?

     

     IKEA instructions

     

    That's non-communication. Sutble difference, but still.

     

    "Enjoy your affordable Swedish crap!"

     

    TRWTF is a business model headed "knockdown furniture and meatballs".

     

    Going to IKEA reminds me of being a little kid. Back then most department stores still had little restaurants inside them (I think even, like, Sears did). Also, the sparse design and simple text and diagrams remind me of elementary school.


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