Diablo 3 launch



  • @Severity One said:

    But if you report sick, the company doctor comes to visit...

    O_o

    @Severity One said:

    Most countries have a national holiday, such as the 4th of July in the USA, or the 14th of July in France. Malta has FIVE.

    Arguably, Memorial Day, Labor Day, Independence Day (July 4) and Veteran's Day are all national holidays in the US.

    @Severity One said:

    Heck, until a few years ago, you would actually get extra leave days for public and national holidays that fell in the weekend.

    Almost everywhere I've worked has given the following Monday off if a holiday falls on the weekend.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @dhromed said:

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    This is nothing but Nethack with graphics.
     

    Pf, you can extend that argument indefinitely and end up with a nihilistic conception of an "essential" RPG where you have a set of numbers slowly growing larger. That is to say, that link has ground it almost to nothing.

    I dunno - it still seems as if you actually have to do something in that one. Have you come across Progress Quest? Edit: Bugger - seems Lorne beat me to it.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @Severity One said:
    Most countries have a national holiday, such as the 4th of July in the USA, or the 14th of July in France. Malta has FIVE.

    Arguably, Memorial Day, Labor Day, Independence Day (July 4) and Veteran's Day are all national holidays in the US.

    Well, we have Victory Day (celebrating the victory over both the Turks in 1565 and the fascists in WW2), Sette Giugno (7th June, commemorating four people that got killed by the British during riots in 1919), Independence Day (when the country became independent, with the British monarch as the head of state), Republic Day (when Lizzy was sent packing) and Freedom Day (when the last British troops left).

    But then there's New Year's Day, Saint Paul's Shipwreck, Saint Joseph, Good Friday, Worker's Day (1st May), Saint Peter & Saint Paul, Assumption of Our Lady, Immaculate Conception, and last but not least, Christmas Day.

    @morbiuswilters said:

    @Severity One said:
    Heck, until a few years ago, you would actually get extra leave days for public and national holidays that fell in the weekend.

    Almost everywhere I've worked has given the following Monday off if a holiday falls on the weekend.

    By law?



  • @Anketam said:

    I have learned never to get hyped up over a game just because its prequals were good.  Just because a game follows in the series of good games does not increase its chances of being a good game, only its chances of being a more expensive game.  There is also something about the third game in the series, if the first and second games both rock in your opinion, the third one will likely suck to you (and the bigger the gap between 2 & 3 the greater the potential suckness).

     

    I wouldn't say that. Might & Magic's best release was 7; and they ruined it all when they switched to a non-sprite engine in 9 :-/

     



  • @Severity One said:

    @morbiuswilters said:
    @Severity One said:
    Heck, until a few years ago, you would actually get extra leave days for public and national holidays that fell in the weekend.

    Almost everywhere I've worked has given the following Monday off if a holiday falls on the weekend.

    By law?

    Sort of. There are 10 Federal Holidays. When one of them falls on the weekend, then the work holiday will usually be defined as the following Monday (though sometimes the preceding Friday is given). Most firms follow this schedule. Of course, it's not mandatory, and stuff like retail is often open.

    Part time workers generally don't get paid holidays (though it's not terribly uncommon for them to get overtime rates or better for holiday work). Full time workers at businesses who need people working each day (e.g., retail, restaurants, etc) typically allow workers to shift the holidays they work to other days off.

    But fortunately, we haven't gone full on nanny state, so this isn't mandated by law. At least, not federally, and not in any state that I'm familiar with.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @blakeyrat said:

    @Weng said:

    @lettucemode said:

    I was considering taking a sick day off work to play, but after seeing the aftermath I'm glad I didn't. Was anyone else excited for the release?
    About a quarter of my group went farther than sick days - they scheduled vacations for the remainder of this week.

    For Diablo 3? Seriously? Diablo games are boring as shit.

    Please tell me they secretly planned a camping trip or something.

    Nope. Diablo 3.

    We had a big network outage awhile back and some serious attempts to play Diablo 2 were made.

    I don't get it, either. Terrible taste in games. I've gotta hand it to Blizzard, though - they've got their minions so well trained that they can just say "This is the most anticipated game ever" and some people will make like they've been anticipating it the whole time.



  • @Severity One said:

    They're pretty good at engineering, though
    I will give you that... the government bought eight trams from Spain that are of French origin, and they're better than the Canadian ones in pretty much every way. That said, they're not good for much else though.



  • @Douglasac said:

    @Severity One said:
    They're pretty good at engineering, though
    I will give you that... the government bought eight trams from Spain that are of French origin, and they're better than the Canadian ones in pretty much every way. That said, they're not good for much else though.

    They also named a car company, "Lemon," so I guess it's a real crap shoot.



  • @lettucemode said:

    In case you don't know about Diablo 3, its prequels basically invented the action-RPG genre.

    Hahaha, under which stone have you been living? Sorry to burst your bubble, but hundreds of action-RPG games were released before Diablo (released in 1996). Just some examples: Crystalis (1990), Legend of Zelda (1987), Ys (1988), and friggin Atari 2600's Adventure (1979).

    Besides, Diablo is actually what we call a Rogue-like, which is a genre that spanned from the concept of a 80's computer game called Rogue.



  • @PJH said:

    I dunno - it still seems as if you actually have to do something in that one.
     

    That's why I said "almost".

     I'm currently... running... Progress Quest.



  • @Weng said:

    I don't get it, either. Terrible taste in games.
     

    I asked some players what was special about Diablo III, and the reply was that  yes, it has everything you've seen before, but it does it all better.

    That's a valid argument.



  • Blizzard really is TRWTF here.

    Blizzard have never, and I mean never, had a successful launch of a multiplayer game. Despite the billions that WoW makes, every new expansion is plagued with issues like this, and all their other releases in the last 10 years or so have been the same.

    The problem is this - the amount of hardware you need to sustain the game servers under 'normal' load is much less than what you need on launch day. D3 had 2 million pre-orders alone, the actual number of day 1 sales are expected to be about 5 million. A month from now, a quarter of those will still be playing, 2 months, a tenth of them.

    And that hardware is EXPENSIVE, the folks running the servers are faced with the problem that if they put in the hardware to cope with launch, 2 months later most of it is going to be gathering dust.

    Most companies work something out, they either rent the servers, or they 'borrow' from other games they run where they can trim some hardware off temporarily, or they buy hardware that they can redeploy to other uses when the launch spike is over.

    But Blizzard, they seem to just go 'Well, this is what we think is needed to run it once the spike is over, so we'll put it in at that level and have a shitty launch. By the point they discover they can't log in and play we already have their cash so what does it matter?'



  • @Zadkiel said:

    Blizzard really is TRWTF here.

    But Blizzard, they seem to just go 'Well, this is what we think is needed to run it once the spike is over, so we'll put it in at that level and have a shitty launch. By the point they discover they can't log in and play we already have their cash so what does it matter?'

    Hmm. Well this is totally anecdotal, but all the gamers I know think that Blizzard walks on water. EA, on the other hand, seems to be universally despised.



  • @rstinejr said:

    Hmm. Well this is totally anecdotal, but all the gamers I know think that Blizzard walks on water. EA, on the other hand, seems to be universally despised.

    EA is the worst. Blizzard's parent company Activision is the second-worst. Blizzard is the most over-rated company I know. Diablo games are boring. Warcraft III stunk, and the only thing that kept anybody playing was a non-Blizzard mod. Diablo III, a brand new game, looks like shit. Development of their games takes like 3 years longer than it should, so they always release with ancient out-of-date engines.

    In addition to having over-rated games, Blizzard pulls shit like... oh gee, what's happening now: requiring online presence for playing a single-player game of Diablo III. Or requiring that you associate your real name with your WOW account. And God knows they wouldn't put a game on Steam, Steam is actually convenient.



  • @rstinejr said:

    all the gamers I know think that Blizzard walks on water

    Not only that, they can even create a time bubble

    @rstinejr said:

    . EA, on the other hand, seems to be universally despised.

    Yeah, I personally blame them for ME 2



  • @lettucemode said:

    You can play solo if you want to, but you still have to connect to their servers to do so. So the servers are overloaded with login requests and almost no one can get in. Nice work, Blizzard.


    I will never, EVER buy a game that does this. Know why? A few months ago, I was reading a story on Freelancer, one of my favorite old games. Reading the article about how Freelancer 2 died in dev, and the subsequent reminiscing about coming home from school when I was a kid and hitting the multiplayer with friends got me nostalgic. So, I went down to the basement, dug up my boxes and found my copy. Popped it in, installed a patch someone made to make it play nice with Windows 7, and boom. Nostalgic gameplay from the 90's.

    Think 5 years down the road. Will Blizzard have maintained those servers? Probably. Another 5 years. Doubtful. Another 5 years: I'd be amazed if they were still running. And say you get nostalgic for Diablo III, boot it up, and woops! We can't verify your copy.



  • @rstinejr said:

    @Zadkiel said:

    Blizzard really is TRWTF here.

    But Blizzard, they seem to just go 'Well, this is what we think is needed to run it once the spike is over, so we'll put it in at that level and have a shitty launch. By the point they discover they can't log in and play we already have their cash so what does it matter?'

    Hmm. Well this is totally anecdotal, but all the gamers I know think that Blizzard walks on water. EA, on the other hand, seems to be universally despised.

    Not saying they're angels, but most of the "scandals" from EA are nothing more than entitled nerds whining about X, Y, or Z. Take the Day One DLC fiasco with Mass Effect 3 where zomg, you had to pay more for content already on the disc!
    • Initially, the From Ashes DLC was ONLY for people who pre-ordered Collectors or Limited editions. It was later added in the shop as a buyable DLC for $5 (cheaper than Limited).
    • Yes it was on the disc, because people who aren't retarded wouldn't print different versions of the game disc for the different releases.


  • @Master Chief said:

    Not saying they're angels, but most of the "scandals" from EA are nothing more than entitled nerds whining about X, Y, or Z. Take the Day One DLC fiasco with Mass Effect 3 where zomg, you had to pay more for content already on the disc!

  • Initially, the From Ashes DLC was ONLY for people who pre-ordered Collectors or Limited editions. It was later added in the shop as a buyable DLC for $5 (cheaper than Limited).
  • Yes it was on the disc, because people who aren't retarded wouldn't print different versions of the game disc for the different releases.
  • I agree that that "controversy" was stupid.

    The reason I (somewhat) boycott EA is due to their signing an exclusive license with the NFL, back when Sega was starting to kick their ass at football games, because paying the NFL to shut-out Sega was cheaper than actually *gasp* improving Madden to not suck. (That said, Madden has improved a lot now, but it was still a dick move at the time.)

    I have to admit, I still buy DICE games (Battlefield series), but I at least feel guilty about it.



  • So I'm thinking of buying Diablo III, because the mage as this awesome icy deathray, and I have a raging boner for bright ray weapons.

    Weirdly enough, I watched several videos of the first few areas as played by different classes and they all felt like the character was overpowered except the mage.



  • @serguey123 said:

    @rstinejr said:
    all the gamers I know think that Blizzard walks on water

    Not only that, they can even create a time bubble

    Hmm...



  • @pkmnfrk said:

    @serguey123 said:
    @rstinejr said:
    all the gamers I know think that Blizzard walks on water

    Not only that, they can even create a time bubble

    Hmm...

    That list reminds me of how awesome the Half-Life demo was. It was its own self-contained little story line and was beautifully executed, with attention to detail that would be impressive in a retail game, let alone a demo. I played it all the way through several times as I was saving up the cash to buy the real game.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    That list reminds me of how awesome the Half-Life demo was. It was its own self-contained little story line and was beautifully executed, with attention to detail that would be impressive in a retail game, let alone a demo. I played it all the way through several times as I was saving up the cash to buy the real game.

    You played a demo several times because you needed to save cash to buy a video game... For now on I think I'll call you Tiny Tim.

    I guess this occurred before you started your immensely successful career in IT, but come on, what kind of work were you doing? Selling matches in Copenhagen?



  • @dhromed said:

    So I'm thinking of buying Diablo III, because the mage as this awesome icy deathray, and I have a raging boner for bright ray weapons.
    Here, knock yourself out.

     



  • @Speakerphone Dude said:

    You played a demo several times because you needed to save cash to buy a video game... For now on I think I'll call you Tiny Tim.

    I guess this occurred before you started your immensely successful career in IT, but come on, what kind of work were you doing? Selling matches in Copenhagen?

    I was fourteen when it came out, you fucking retard.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @Speakerphone Dude said:

    You played a demo several times because you needed to save cash to buy a video game... For now on I think I'll call you Tiny Tim.

    I guess this occurred before you started your immensely successful career in IT, but come on, what kind of work were you doing? Selling matches in Copenhagen?

    I was fourteen when it came out, you fucking retard.

    Interesting. When I was fourteen, I was saving up for a motocross, not for a 50$ video game. Of course at that age I was working part time (I had two newspaper runs and I was spending my summers doing yard work); in your case maybe it took a long time to get 50$ because you had to save the 5$ weekly stipend your parents were giving you for cleaning your room and taking out the garbage on Wednesdays.

    If you were 14 when Half-Life came out (98?) it means you are now around 28. This surprises me because most people figure out in the early 20s at the latest that a foul language is not the proper way to communicate. Maybe this is something you could discuss with your mom when you go drop your dirty laundry (or should I say: when you come up from the basement to give her your dirty laundry - unless she picks it directly from your room?).

    See, this is how you tell someone how childish they are. No need for dirty words.



  • Wow your a condescending asshole, ain't you?



  • @Douglasac said:

    @Severity One said:
    They're pretty good at engineering, though
    I will give you that... the government bought eight trams from Spain that are of French origin, and they're better than the Canadian ones in pretty much every way. That said, they're not good for much else though.
    Canadian = Bombardier? Those guys have bought about half of the train manufacturers in Europe.

    TRWTF when it comes to rolling stock is AnsaldoBreda. Suffice to say is that they're Italian, and apart from the fact that their products have more issues than an anorexic LGBT with post-traumatic stress disorder, they are ugly. Can you imagine that? An Italian designing something that does not look good?

    Not to stray too far from the subject matter: I want Episode 3. No, I demand it. The bastards were even teasing us about it in Portal 2.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Wow your a condescending asshole, ain't you?

    It depends. I've been reading this forum for a while before taking the time to create an account, and I've noticed that there are two kinds of people that use strong language: the brutally honest and the immature. I can't stand immature people. They remind me of the young king in Game of Thrones; entitled, nasty, pissy, insecure, with no valid claim to greatness. The exact same people that, when you talk with them, you know they don't listen, they think about what they will reply. It makes me even less patient when it is obvious that they have average skills and they make fun of people with less than average skills, like wannabe bullies.

    I know I should ignore them, it's my own jihad inner struggle...





  • @Severity One said:

    Canadian = Bombardier? Those guys have bought about half of the train manufacturers in Europe.
    Indeedy doo. Considering they're Canadians, I expect better than what they made... the seats feel like upholstered wood, they're uglier than the French things and they're louder than the French trams. They're also supplying the new trains, so it will be interesting to see what they're like.



  • @Speakerphone Dude said:

    I can't stand immature people. They remind me of the young king in Game of Thrones
     

    You-- ah-- do know that show is what use grownups call "fiction", right? Or are you delusional?

    @Speakerphone Dude said:

    I know I should ignore them, it's my own jihad inner struggle...

    Ah, there's my answer.

     



  • @blakeyrat said:

    I agree that that "controversy" was stupid.

    The reason I (somewhat) boycott EA is due to their signing an exclusive license with the NFL, back when Sega was starting to kick their ass at football games, because paying the NFL to shut-out Sega was cheaper than actually *gasp* improving Madden to not suck. (That said, Madden has improved a lot now, but it was still a dick move at the time.)

    I have to admit, I still buy DICE games (Battlefield series), but I at least feel guilty about it.

    I buy EA games because if I don't, there are plenty of other people who will anyway. Boycotts don't work because your average person is either completely unaware, or completely apathetic (like me).

    Also, buying games I like slightly skews the trends toward my tastes, meaning publishers will be more likely to make more games I like.



  • @Speakerphone Dude said:

    Interesting. When I was fourteen, I was saving up for a motocross, not for a 50$ video game. Of course at that age I was working part time (I had two newspaper runs and I was spending my summers doing yard work); in your case maybe it took a long time to get 50$ because you had to save the 5$ weekly stipend your parents were giving you for cleaning your room and taking out the garbage on Wednesdays.

    If you were 14 when Half-Life came out (98?) it means you are now around 28. This surprises me because most people figure out in the early 20s at the latest that a foul language is not the proper way to communicate. Maybe this is something you could discuss with your mom when you go drop your dirty laundry (or should I say: when you come up from the basement to give her your dirty laundry - unless she picks it directly from your room?).

    See, this is how you tell someone how childish they are. No need for dirty words.

    Do you feel bigger now? That whole "basement dweller gamer" stereotype has pretty much died. Also, it's kind of dickish to judge somebody because their parents have disposable income and like to be generous with it. Though judging from the combination of low age employment and motocross interest, I'm betting you grew up in an area with a lot of wheeled homes.


  • @Speakerphone Dude said:

    @blakeyrat said:
    Wow your a condescending asshole, ain't you?

    It depends. I've been reading this forum for a while before taking the time to create an account, and I've noticed that there are two kinds of people that use strong language: the brutally honest and the immature. I can't stand immature people. They remind me of the young king in Game of Thrones; entitled, nasty, pissy, insecure, with no valid claim to greatness. The exact same people that, when you talk with them, you know they don't listen, they think about what they will reply. It makes me even less patient when it is obvious that they have average skills and they make fun of people with less than average skills, like wannabe bullies.

    I know I should ignore them, it's my own jihad inner struggle...

    A bully is a bully is a bully. Doesn't matter your motive or position in the overall charts of life, you're still just one dude, being a dick to another dude, in ways I highly doubt you would attempt without that monitor/keyboard shield.


  • @Master Chief said:

    Boycotts don't work because your average person is either completely unaware, or completely apathetic (like me).

    @Master Chief said:

    Also, buying games I like slightly skews the trends toward my tastes, meaning publishers will be more likely to make more games I like.
     

    So now I'm confused. Does your one purchase have or not have a "slight" but mounting effect against a company?



  • @Lorne Kates said:

    @Master Chief said:

    Boycotts don't work because your average person is either completely unaware, or completely apathetic (like me).

    @Master Chief said:

    Also, buying games I like slightly skews the trends toward my tastes, meaning publishers will be more likely to make more games I like.
     

    So now I'm confused. Does your one purchase have or not have a "slight" but mounting effect against a company?


    Contributing to purchase statistics does impact (albeit very little) what publishers will sign onto in the future. Boycotts, however, are by their nature extremely hard to measure, if the target company even attempts to do so, or take it seriously at all. Basically, as a paying customer, you carry more weight in their decisions than if you're not. At least, that's how I look at it.



  • @Lorne Kates said:

    @Speakerphone Dude said:
    I can't stand immature people. They remind me of the young king in Game of Thrones

    You-- ah-- do know that show is what use grownups call "fiction", right? Or are you delusional?

    Lorne, please tell us more about your psychopathological inability to empathize.



  • @boomzilla said:

    @Lorne Kates said:
    @Speakerphone Dude said:
    I can't stand immature people. They remind me of the young king in Game of Thrones

    You-- ah-- do know that show is what use grownups call "fiction", right? Or are you delusional?

    Lorne, please tell us more about your psychopathological inability to empathize.

     

    I don't empathize much with pop-culture, two-dimensional strawmen, nor those who use them as "evidence".

    And now to round out this argument, I shall use a blatant and profane insult:

    You are a mouse-fucker-- which can be doubly insulting because it either means your genitals are very tiny (in reference to a biological mouse), or you are socially maladjusted and derive sexual pleasure from inanimate object, with the added bonus of implying you have an unhealthy obsession with computer.

    ...

    I apologize. I'll be more blatant next time, whore-hair.



  • @Master Chief said:

    I buy EA games because if I don't, there are plenty of other people who will anyway. Boycotts don't work

    How do you know my boycott isn't working when you don't know its goals? It's enough that I don't give money to EA. Other people can do what they want.



  • @Lorne Kates said:

    You are a mouse-fucker-- which can be doubly insulting because it either means your genitals are very tiny (in reference to a biological mouse), or you are socially maladjusted and derive sexual pleasure from inanimate object, with the added bonus of implying you have an unhealthy obsession with computer.

    ...

    I apologize. I'll be more blatant next time, whore-hair.

    Wow. Don't insult people until you come up with at least one good insult. Or for God's sake, just copy one from pop culture. Because those were fucking pathetic insults.



  • @Master Chief said:

    [Boycotts don't work because your average person is either completely unaware, or completely apathetic
     

    They are also completely weak willed.

    Back when Modern Warfare 2 was anounced in 2009 with the news that they would not be running any dedicated servers or allow players to run their own, gamers got their nerd-rage on. They made a Steam group called 'Boycott Modern Warfare 2'  and hundres of thousands of Steam users joined it.

    MW2 came out... with no dedicated servers.

    a few days later, someone wrote a script to poll the Steam API and get a list of steam IDs of the group members and then check each of those IDs to see if they owned MW2.

    I believe the ownership figure was somewhere around 60%

     



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Wow. Don't insult people until you come up with at least one good insult. Or for God's sake, just copy one from pop culture. Because those were fucking pathetic insults.
     

    I feel sad just knowing this book exists:

    [url="http://www.amazon.com/The-Encyclopedia-Movie-Insults-Television/dp/0979413303"]The Encyclopedia of TV & Movie Insults: A pop culture guide to put-downs, paybacks and other foul phrases from Television and the Cinema[/url]

     


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Lorne Kates said:

    I feel sad just knowing this book exists:
    Dead-tree version of part of TV-Tropes perhaps?



  • @Lorne Kates said:

    @boomzilla said:

    Lorne, please tell us more about your psychopathological inability to empathize.
     

    I don't empathize much with pop-culture, two-dimensional strawmen, nor those who use them as "evidence"

     

    Thank you, that was kind of you to indulge boomzilla with a straightforward answer. Do you have more you wish to add?

     



  • NA servers are back up and working, I didn't have any problems yesterday besides a few lag spikes, which were frustrating as hell (ho!). While playing solo no less.

    @dhromed said:

    So I'm thinking of buying Diablo III, because the mage as this awesome icy deathray, and I have a raging boner for bright ray weapons.

    I can confirm that the ice ray is awesome. After a while you get Disintegrate which is a huge red death ray - also awesome.

    @dhromed said:

    Weirdly enough, I watched several videos of the first few areas as played by different classes and they all felt like the character was overpowered except the mage.

    Having played the game I feel that way too, but I think it's a matter of how each class plays rather than a balancing issue. The Demon Hunter has traps for when enemies approach and can quickly dodge away to his preferred fighting range. The Monk and Barbarian don't care about close combat, have ways of healing themselves, and actually have more spirit/rage to spend as the fight goes on. The Witch Doctor's resource is limited, but you can just summon tons of stuff and let them do the killing for you. Which leaves the Wizard (or mage, as you call it) who becomes less capable of doing damage the more damage he does (due to his limited resource), but unlike the Witch Doctor has little to no indirect damage early on. So you're left doing a lot of kiting and careful management of defensive abilities while you wait for your arcane power to regenerate.



  • @dhromed said:

    @Lorne Kates said:

    @boomzilla said:

    Lorne, please tell us more about your psychopathological inability to empathize.
     

    I don't empathize much with pop-culture, two-dimensional strawmen, nor those who use them as "evidence"

     

    Thank you, that was kind of you to indulge boomzilla with a straightforward answer. Do you have more you wish to add?

     

     

    WellPict strawberries are better than Driscol Farms strawberries.

     



  • @Lorne Kates said:

    WellPict strawberries are better than Driscol Farms strawberries.

    Fuck those WellPict strawberries. They remind me of that new Strawberry Shortcake cartoon.



  • @Master Chief said:

    Though judging from the combination of low age employment and motocross interest, I'm betting you grew up in an area with a lot of wheeled homes.

    Anthropology 101: little girls want ponies and red bicycle, little boys want BB Guns. By the time they get to 14 year old, girls do baby-sitting part time to pay for makeup and clothes, and boys have newspaper runs or do yard work to pay for a motocross or something else that goes fast and make noise.

    It is possible that someone gets all the money they want from Mommy or Daddy until past college, and that they never venture in the real world because they are afraid of getting dirty or hurt. As a society we need those people too because someone has to design new fonts and make strongly worded blog posts about gay marriage. It's all part of the beautiful human mosaic.



  • @dhromed said:

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    This is nothing but Nethack with graphics.
     

    Pf, you can extend that argument indefinitely and end up with a nihilistic conception of an "essential" RPG where you have a set of numbers slowly growing larger. That is to say, that link has ground it almost to nothing.

    Progress Quest

    Edit: shit ...

    @dhromed said:

    @PJH said:
    I dunno - it still seems as if you actually have to do something in that one.
    That's why I said "almost". I'm currently... running... Progress Quest.

    Nothing to see here ... move along ... (jeez, this thread is moving fast!)



  • @boomzilla said:

    @Lorne Kates said:
    WellPict strawberries are better than Driscol Farms strawberries.
    Fuck those WellPict strawberries. They remind me of that new Strawberry Shortcake cartoon.

    mmmmmm ...


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