Not for UI designers





  • @captainpants said:

    http://www.caspianit.co.uk/drupal-6-x-why-do-i-see-candidate-function-names-and-not-candidate-template-files/

    Oh god... this doesn't look too pretty.

    Where is the punchline?  Sorry, I've never touched drupal, so I have no idea what this is about...



  • @C-Octothorpe said:

    Where is the punchline?
     

    Do you have eyes and/or an inspector?



  •  @C-Octothorpe said:

    Sorry, I've never touched drupal, so I have no idea what this is about...

     

    Maybe he's talking about the site itself rather than the content? I see a huge mess of purple and black. Plus the text is unreadably blurry until I hi-light it at which point it becomes readable, very odd.



  • Hint: Look at the website itself, not so much the content about drupal.
    Sorry if it was unclear.



  • @captainpants said:

    Hint: Look at the website itself, not so much the content about drupal. Sorry if it was unclear.
    Got it... Funny thing is that I was about to reply to your OP saying that the site you linked is slow as hell to load and looks like shit.



  • Let me introduce you to something called the "A tag":

    http://www.caspianit.co.uk/drupal-6-x-why-do-i-see-candidate-function-names-and-not-candidate-template-files/

    Anyway, looks like the site's been vandalized to me. Someone haxored his CSS file, perhaps.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    looks like the site's been vandalized to me
    Vandals would do a better job.  @blakeyrat said:
    Someone haxored his CSS file,
    Most likely the person who created the website.



  • @El_Heffe said:

    Most likely the person who created the website.
     

    Self-sabotage is a common psychiatric problem.



  • @dhromed said:

    @El_Heffe said:

    Most likely the person who created the website.
     

    Self-sabotage is a common psychiatric problem.

    The British can see well into the ultraviolet spectrum. It looks perfectly fine to their compound eyes.



  • Why is it that those who advertise "web design" as a service often give an appalling example of their skills on their own site?



  • The blurriness is a shadow effect. Looks like one of his CSS files just went missing... It probably pulls in some nice styles and fancy background images against which things look a lot more readable.



    Still, your site should never look like this. This guy fails badly at fallback design. If your shadow only works against a nice background image, define the background in the same file you define the shadow...



  • @Cassidy said:

    Why is it that those who advertise "web design" as a service often give an appalling example of their skills on their own site?

     

    Because they got fired from their last web design job, and decided that since they are so awesome at web design they will start their own web design firm. Kind of like how those who can't do, teach -- and those who can't teach, teach gym.

     



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    The British can see well into the ultraviolet spectrum. It looks perfectly fine to their compound eyes.
     

    I had forgotten about that!

    I'm sure this is why they continue living in a country that, to our eyes, appears so drab.



  • So this is just about a site where the CSS fails to load properly which results in mostly an unformatted mess?

    My girlfriend has to use Drupal at her work. The gist of it that I understand is that it is a CMS built on top of PHP (of course) that as I interpreted it works a bit like a scenegraph, with a zillion third party plugins that when you apply it all properly allows you to build interactive websites with almost zero actual programming involved (taking the liberty to not count design work as programming); the thing you're really doing is configuring the modules to make them do what they need to do and even make them work together and create SQL queries (often complex ones) to efficiently get all the information you need for a "node". In other words: something that would bore me to tears.

    Even though the release management behind the product is quite terrible, I do respect what has been achieved with it. Reuse of code is often a myth, but the Drupal dudes seem to have pulled it off with some clever machinery. 



  • @dhromed said:

    I'm sure this is why they continue living in a country that, to our eyes, appears so drab.

    We call it "green and pleasant lands". You see "multiple shades of Doom3 brown".

    What's drab about UK is our food. It's no wonder chinese, indian and other foreign delectables have taken off so well. 

    @erikal said:

    So this is just about a site where the CSS fails to load properly which results in mostly an unformatted mess?

    Or maybe an organisation where their staff never view their own site and don't understand how it appears to the outside world.

    I mean, it's not really important to anyone offering Web Design as a service, rig-- oh... hang on...

     



  • @Cassidy said:

    Or maybe an organisation where their staff never view their own site and don't understand how it appears to the outside world.

     

    "Works on my machine" most likely. Because on that machine the file that was not screwed up is still in the cache :)

     



  • Perhaps they used a "What You See Is What You And Only You Get" editor.



  • @erikal said:

    So this is just about a site where the CSS fails to load properly which results in mostly an unformatted mess?

    My girlfriend has to use Drupal at her work. The gist of it that I understand is that it is a CMS built on top of PHP (of course) that as I interpreted it works a bit like a scenegraph, with a zillion third party plugins that when you apply it all properly allows you to build interactive websites with almost zero actual programming involved (taking the liberty to not count design work as programming); the thing you're really doing is configuring the modules to make them do what they need to do and even make them work together and create SQL queries (often complex ones) to efficiently get all the information you need for a "node". In other words: something that would bore me to tears.

    Even though the release management behind the product is quite terrible, I do respect what has been achieved with it. Reuse of code is often a myth, but the Drupal dudes seem to have pulled it off with some clever machinery. 



    Pretty much. In terms of sql programming especially, it's very minimal but you can use your own queries instead of the ones Drupal spits out for you which typically have 5 fucking joins, 3 of which are sometimes unnecessary.
    The other thing that chaps my ass is the incredibly long class and variable names that Drupal uses IE views-field views-field-field-review-prod-nid



  • @captainpants said:

    In terms of sql programming especially, it's very minimal but you can use your own queries instead of the ones Drupal spits out for you which typically have 5 fucking joins, 3 of which are sometimes unnecessary.

    Wow...5 joins sounds so...so...peaceful and simple...almost enough to make me want to visit CmsLand.

    @captainpants said:

    The other thing that chaps my ass is the incredibly long class and variable names that Drupal uses IE views-field views-field-field-review-prod-nid

    This sounds like something that's auto-generated based on some hierarchy that's been created dynamically based on your setup. It certainly sounds better than generating UUIDs or integer ID numbers for deconfliction.



  • This is my favourite bit:

    Microsoft have been trying to develop an operating system for the past 18 years, it’s incredible when spending just a few seconds I could make the OS so much better


  • He's got a great way of looking professional though:

    I find it absolutely incredible that a machine capable of displaying millions upon millions of polygons per second, with a processor running 4 cores at 3.4GHz – and what happens?

    You go to Youtube.com and watch any video at all in the entire sodding world and it gets fucked right up the arse.

    Some Prat called Julian posted the following reply:
    What makes it really, really, really annoying is when the file is NOT in use – not at all. There’s not a single sodding program open at all.


  • @Cassidy said:

    What's drab about UK is our food. It's no wonder chinese, indian and other foreign delectables have taken off so well. 

    A friend of mine would agree with you - he described the British Empire as "the world's greatest food run".



  • @Ibix said:

    @Cassidy said:

    What's drab about UK is our food. It's no wonder chinese, indian and other foreign delectables have taken off so well. 

    A friend of mine would agree with you - he described the British Empire as "the world's greatest food run".

     

    UK food is a congregation of many different cultures anyway - including the classic fish & chips. You may call British food drab, but that don't change the fact that I was in culinary heaven when I visited London last year. Don't diss the Indian fod either, I wish that would find its way to the Netherlands as I died and went to heaven when I sampled it. Chicken Madras, I miss you :( (I'm getting close to being able to cook it myself...). Restaurant chains? Generally their food sucks, but not true for the Pizza Express. Both the pasta and the pizza were amazing. English breakfast? Yum (except the blood sausage. Yuck).

    No my friend, food in the UK isn't drab at all. I'd move there for a few years to properly sample it all.

     



  • @erikal said:

    So this is just about a site where the CSS fails to load properly which results in mostly an unformatted mess?
     

    Damn, I missed adding this bit:

    The reason it doesn't load is that the additional CSS is:

    <link rel="stylesheet" href="http://cdn1.caspianit.co.uk/wp-content/themes/solarsentinel/css/combined.css" type="text/css" />

    And that URL 502s for me.



  • @erikal said:

    You may call British food drab, but that don't change the fact that I was in culinary heaven when I visited London last year.

    London food is good because it's a large capital city. That applies to every large capital city.

    When people say "British food sucks", they're not talking about London. They're talking about the food in the other 90% of the country. Which sucks.

    Incidentally, US food is awesome. Even if you're in podunk you can get a big ol' chicken fried steak dripping in grease and surrounded by mountains of butter-infused mashed potatos-- that's good eating.



  • @Cassidy said:

    What's drab about UK is our food.

    I've never thought UK food is drab, just a horrifying monstrosity that should not exist. Blood pudding, weird sausages, spotted dick (which is actually quite good but the name combined with the way it looks makes me kind of nauseous)..



  • @erikal said:

    You may call British food drab, but that don't change the fact that I was in culinary heaven when I visited London last year.

    Don't diss the Indian fod either, I wish that would find its way to the Netherlands as I died and went to heaven when I sampled it.

    Chicken Madras, I miss you :( (I'm getting close to being able to cook it myself...). Restaurant chains? Generally their food sucks, but not true for the Pizza Express. Both the pasta and the pizza were amazing. English breakfast? Yum (except the blood sausage. Yuck).

    No my friend, food in the UK isn't drab at all. I'd move there for a few years to properly sample it all.

    Salient bits emboldened.

    I didn't say that "food in the UK" is drab, I said "British food is drab".  I'm talking about soft-boiled tasteless veg, thin runny gravy, pork tubes, watery soup.

    What you highlighted up there are food outlets in the UK that aren't English: Indian curry, Italian Pizza, etc - so perhaps I should have been a bit more clear on that.

    Okay, for the benefit of foreigners, Limey grub to try out:

    • sunday roast: good meat/chicken, crusty roast spuds - but beware overcooked veg. Look for shredded & fried cabbage, or al-dente garden peas, avoid soft brussel sprouts and limp carrots.
    • fry-up. The stable diet of truckers in the UK: bacon, sausage, beans, tomatoes, mushrooms, fried bread and toast, all washed down with a steaming mug o' tea (yeah, that chinese plant). Best place is to liken on a truckers' cafe, commonly known as a "greasy spoon". Chains - like Little Chef - do a "businessman's" version, kinda sanitised and clean. Not enough lard, or burnt bits to be genuine, but it suffices.
    • fish n chips - good golden batter (not yellow) that's sat and drained/hardened slightly in the warmer, rather than still-dripping out of the fat. Chips that are as fat as your finger, with the salt n vinegar steaming off to tingle the nostrils. The smell of that coming off newspaper is simply divine.
    • Pasty - the good ol-fashioned Cornish Pasty. Peppery meat+potato pie fashioned out of a Klingon's forehead, bit like a roast dinner in pastry. Serve with minted boiled potatoes and peas/green beans (blanched) with gravy to moisten.
    • Steak n Ale pie - most good pubs offer this "pot roast" meat swimming in gravy flavoured in beer. Like a pasty, treat as the "meat" ingredient in a roast dinner, so surround with boiled or roast spuds and good veg.

    Other grub done in UK but not of limey origin:

    • pizza - there's a number of chains here, like Pizza Express, Dominoes and Deep-Pan. They're not bad, but I've been told the best pizza is found in New York (not Italy, surprisingly!)
    • Indian. Look for a "balti" or a "korai", which is served in the bowl it was cooked in. Chicken Jal Frezie (lime, sliced chillies) bites well. Madras and Rogan Josh are quite flavoursome. Avoid Korma, unless you like coconut pudding.
    • Chinese. Some outlets do a fair whack, but having spent time over in Malaysia I realise they're geared towards the western gob: larger portions with more dilute flavours.
    • Mexican - there are a few outlets, but I can't compare against the "real deal".
    • Kebab - normally found in a chippy, they're greasy strips of processed lamb chucked in pitta bread with salad then smeared in mint/chilli sauce and/or lemon. Some do it with mayonnaise, but they should be shot.

    @blakeyrat said:

    Even if you're in podunk you can get a big ol'
    chicken fried steak dripping in grease and surrounded by mountains of
    butter-infused mashed potatos-- that's good eating.

    Now that does sound good, but I seemed to miss out on those outlets when over your side of the pond. I had Macs, Wendy's, corn dogs, some greasy waffle pancake thing and... well, generally stuff that came with fries. Very few places we went to did decent veg (the only one I found was actually a chinese).

    @morbiuswilters said:

    I've never thought UK food is drab, just a horrifying monstrosity that
    should not exist. Blood pudding, weird sausages, spotted dick (which is
    actually quite good but the name combined with the way it looks makes me
    kind of nauseous)..

    You probably wouldn't like our faggots, then. They're quite tasty... glistening hunks of meat that just slide down over the tongue.



  • You forgot Toad in the Hole, I loved when my mom (who is British) made that. For those who dont know what that is, it is sausage with Yorkshire pudding.



  • @Cassidy said:

    Now that does sound good, but I seemed to miss out on those outlets when over your side of the pond. I had Macs, Wendy's, corn dogs, some greasy waffle pancake thing and... well, generally stuff that came with fries.

    It sounds like you've mostly had crap food. Why do foreigners come here and eat at McD's or Wendy's? It's like foreigners who drink Budweiser and think it's representative of American beer. Finding good food in the US isn't hard but if you're only going to eat at mediocre fast food joints (which you even know are mediocre before you go in) then, yeah, it will kind of suck. Where do you go when you visit the US? We might be able to offer suggestions.

    @Cassidy said:

    You probably wouldn't like our faggots, then. They're quite tasty... glistening hunks of meat that just slide down over the tongue.

    I'm a vegetarian, so no.



  • @Cassidy said:

    veg
    @Cassidy said:
    Limey
    @Cassidy said:
    do a fair whack
    @Cassidy said:
    normally found in a chippy
    @Cassidy said:
    did decent veg
    @Cassidy said:
    was actually a chinese

    Ok, you're Britishing at like a 9.9 right now, could you maybe crank it down to a 5 or so?

    @Cassidy said:

    You probably wouldn't like our faggots, then. They're quite tasty... glistening hunks of meat that just slide down over the tongue.

    ...

    @Cassidy said:

    Now that does sound good, but I seemed to miss out on those outlets when over your side of the pond.

    Fail.

    @Cassidy said:

    I had Macs,

    Not sure what you mean here. Big Macs? Like in McDonalds?

    @Cassidy said:

    Wendy's, corn dogs, some greasy waffle pancake thing and... well, generally stuff that came with fries.

    So you crossed an ocean to eat fast food? Idiot.

    @Cassidy said:

    Very few places we went to did decent veg

    Fast food places aren't generally known for their vegetables.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Fast food places aren't generally known for their vegetables.

    Or their food quality



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    It sounds like you've mostly had crap food. Why do foreigners come here and eat at McD's or Wendy's?

    I thought that - and Dunkin' Doughnuts - were the staple diet of Merkins.

    @morbiuswilters said:

    Where do you go when you visit the US? We might be able to offer suggestions.

    New Hampshire. I fly into Logan (Boston) then head up to Maine from there, waving at Stevie King en-route and muttering how you've stolen all our place names (Worcester, Birmingham, York, etc)

    @morbiuswilters said:

    I'm a vegetarian, so no.

    I didn't know that. SWMBO is (partly) but only because she doesn't like high fat content (so will have white chicken breast meat but won't eat a Kentucky).



  • @serguey123 said:

    @blakeyrat said:

    Fast food places aren't generally known for their vegetables.

    Or their food quality

    I thought the fast food places in your country only served baby skulls ladled full of the blood of innocents.

    And the only accepted currency is souls that you've stolen and imprisoned in a Ethereal Crystal.

    And the staff are all Hunter-Killer drones.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Ok, you're Britishing at like a 9.9 right now, could you maybe crank it down to a 5 or so?

    Shit, yeah - sorry about that... I forget about localisation. Was on another forum and still in Dick Van Dyke mode.

    @blakeyrat said:

    Not sure what you mean here. Big Macs? Like in McDonalds?

    Yeah. Seems they're actually fatter and tastier (if that's possible) than here in UK.

    @blakeyrat said:

    So you crossed an ocean to eat fast food? Idiot.

    Erm.. no. That wasn't the reason I came to USA, but I'll let you proceed with strawman anyway....

    @blakeyrat said:

    Fast food places aren't generally known for their vegetables.

    Nor were many supermarkets I went into. Although again, that was probably down to my choice of supermarket - or the choice of my guide(s)



  • @Cassidy said:

    I thought that - and Dunkin' Doughnuts - were the staple diet of Merkins.

    Not really. I like DD's coffee, but there are sections of the country they don't even operate out of. And I don't care how you spell Doughnuts, the proper brand name is "Dunkin' Donuts".

    @Cassidy said:

    New Hampshire. I fly into Logan (Boston) then head up to Maine from there, waving at Stevie King en-route and muttering how you've stolen all our place names (Worcester, Birmingham, York, etc)

    Most of those names are only common in New England. And if you are in NE there are plenty of great food places: you've got Maine lobster, cod and other misc. seafood; some good Italian places.. In New Hampshire there's a really good local chain called Common Man; highly recommended, it's one of the only reasons I liked going to NH. About the only two types of food NE does wrong are Mexican and Chinese.. finding good Mexican is near impossible.

    @Cassidy said:

    I didn't know that.

    I don't know why you would. Unlike most vegetarians, I'm not solely a vegetarian for the sake of being a sanctimonious prick.

    @Cassidy said:

    SWMBO is (partly) but only because she doesn't like high fat content (so will have white chicken breast meat but won't eat a Kentucky).

    No offense, but I'm annoyed when people claim to be "partly vegetarian" because they only eat chicken or because they don't eat fatty meat or what-have-you. It's just inaccurate. Even when I ate meat I never liked seafood but I didn't claim it made me partly vegetarian.



  • @Cassidy said:

    I thought that - and Dunkin' Doughnuts - were the staple diet of Merkins.

    Jesus man. What the fuck is wrong with you.

    Even if you weren't insulting an entire nation of 320 million people by calling them "merkins" (which you've done I believe three times now on this forum), why the fucking fuck would you think the US treats fast food any differently than, say, you British people do? Are you just stupid, or what's going on?

    (I was going to ask if you learned everything you "know" about the US from TV, but then I realized: TV shows usually take place in real restaurants, fast food is hardly ever portrayed. So that's not it.)

    @Cassidy said:

    but won't eat a Kentucky

    Stop it. Seriously.



  • @Cassidy said:

    Nor were many supermarkets I went into. Although again, that was probably down to my choice of supermarket - or the choice of my guide(s)

    Yeah, that's definitely unusual. The supermarkets I go to have abundant vegetables. Our country grows shit-tons of vegetables, after all.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @Cassidy said:
    but won't eat a Kentucky

    Stop it. Seriously.

    But it's true. I can rarely eat more than a West Virginia.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    I thought the fast food places in your country only served baby skulls ladled full of the blood of innocents.
     

    We don't have fast food places here, there are food stands and things like that but fast or food is not an accurate description of them.

    We did have a brief phase when anything remotely edible was put into food and some of the non edible stuff as well such as grinded glass.

    @morbiuswilters said:

    the only accepted currency is souls that you've stolen and imprisoned in a Ethereal Crystal.

    Probably more valuable that our currency.

    @morbiuswilters said:

    the staff are all Hunter-Killer drones.

    The service culture never took off here so, yeah, pretty much.



  • @boomzilla said:

    @blakeyrat said:
    @Cassidy said:
    but won't eat a Kentucky

    Stop it. Seriously.

    But it's true. I can rarely eat more than a West Virginia.

    The Kentucky one wasn't actually as bad as the Chinese one. Since the US English interpretation of "Chinese" with no noun is "Chinese PERSON". Which would make Cassidy a cannibal. Which is still preferable to eating British food.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Most of those names are only common in New England. And if you are in NE there are plenty of great food places: you've got Maine lobster, cod and other misc. seafood; some good Italian places.. In New Hampshire there's a really good local chain called Common Man; highly recommended, it's one of the only reasons I liked going to NH. About the only two types of food NE does wrong are Mexican and Chinese.. finding good Mexican is near impossible.

    Actually... I was taken to a seafood place one day, where one of our party munched on lobster. I remember now.

    @morbiuswilters said:

    No offense, but I'm annoyed when people claim to be "partly vegetarian" because they only eat chicken or because they don't eat fatty meat or what-have-you. It's just inaccurate. Even when I ate meat I never liked seafood but I didn't claim it made me partly vegetarian.

    No offence taken. She doesn't call herself a vegetarian, it's just that the vegeterian menu contains more options open to her than the carnivore side, and it's quicker for her to ask for vegeterian menu than explain the fat thing. Even then, she won't eat a nut roast off that menu (fat from the nuts, etc), ice cream or some creamy pasta dishes.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Since the US English interpretation of "Chinese" with no noun is "Chinese PERSON". Which would make Cassidy a cannibal.

    They go great with a nice chianti and fava beans.

    @blakeyrat said:

    Which is still preferable to eating British food.

    See what I mean, erikal? Foreign is definitely better than British....



  • @Cassidy said:

    See what I mean, erikal? Foreign is definitely better than British....

     

    I hear ya and everyone else - of course it is stupid to let myself be biased when I've only ever seen London. I plan to change that in the near future though (because I still think the UK is a cool country to visit when the students aren't burning stuff down), so I'll probably have some horror stories to share eventually :)  

    Just know that you're not alone, (proper) Dutch food ain't much better. Cooked veggies (which people of course manage to screw up by overcooking it), cooked potatoes, small piece of meat - gravy made of the fat of the meat drenching the entire thing. If you go to a restaurant its usually an overpriced piece of meat with soggy salad, oily french fries or a baked potato. I grew up with that stuff so I'm used to it, but there is a reason that since I discovered cooking is actually cool that I let myself be inspired only by foreign kitchens, most notably India and Turkey as the food is so fragrant and spicy. But that also includes British food. I don't care much for the use of lam though, so whatever meat pie there is to be made I usually do with beef :) Blasphemy perhaps.

     



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    I thought the fast food places in your country only served baby skulls ladled full of the blood of innocents.
     

    ...

    @Being Human said:

    Michaela:  Like, we have this idea that you could make a skull with the top sliced off that you could drink from. What do you think? It's pretty dark, isn't it?

    Hal: Wouldn't the drink leak out of the eye sockets where the, um, the optic nerve goes in?




  • @Lorne Kates said:

    Wouldn't the drink leak out of the eye sockets where the, um, the optic nerve goes in?

    Amateurs, pfff, everybody knows thats where the fancy straw goes.


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